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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 03, 2006, 11:17 AM:
 
Work has been slow (bad weather), duck season is over , so I got to catchin' up on my calls list.

Lion Ho recieved his call a while back, it's a small ind ian plumwood call (a tree that's indigenous to the northwest).
It's made in the design inspired by my brother Red, and Keekee, the tiny call (just a little bit longer).
Hopefully the kitties down his way will like it.



Norm asked next, but I never heard back from him on the mesquite wood.
How 'bout you Tim, can you get me some mesquite wood? Vic?

Andy was up after Norm, and I have his call done too. Also plumwood, but in the ultra mag howler style, and unlike most all of my calls set up with a single reed (instead of a double stack).



Whenever I am asked for the best sounding wood I can get, I choose this plum.
It also is very pretty, the up close detail of the grain and especially the end grain is really nice.
I am able to use the outer wood on some calls (like these) to make a lighter "underbelly" like a coyote has.
It's very strong wood, and lets me make the bell very thin, adding a rich tone to the call.



Scruffy,

You don't have one of the calls I make? You will soon, send me your shipping address, I've got a cherrywood ultra mag that needs a home.
I didn't picture it yet, because it's not all the way dry, and the finish came out way too shiny for my taste.

NASA was the next to go on the list.
When he first got some calls from me he liked the "bone" color of the hazelwood I used. I had some holly and it's also got the bonelike quality, with a much showier grain (up close) than the hazel.



This should make a great replacement for the one he lost in the woods, with the addition of a lanyard groove and a lanyard, hopefully, this one won't get lost too.

I'll try to remember to toss a lanyard in with everybody's call.

Krusty

P.S. On the finish... Lion Ho's call came out okay, a nice satin like it's supposed to be.
Andy's doesn't have polyurethane, just the natural (clear) oil stain I have been using to seal the calls (by dunking them in it).
I switched to a fast dry poly, from the wipe on poly I used to use.
I'm on my way to get a new can of the wipe on poly now.
NASA's call has been hand rubbed with some fine steel wool to break the finish (but will probably get a new coat of poly).

[ February 03, 2006, 11:25 AM: Message edited by: Krustyklimber ]
 

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Posted by scruffy (Member # 725) on February 03, 2006, 11:37 AM:
 
Email sent Krusty!!!!

I can't say thank you enough! Those are some very nice calls pictured! And I've never used or heard a stacked reed call before, I'm anxious to hear it!

later,
scruffy
 

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Posted by brad h (Member # 57) on February 03, 2006, 06:44 PM:
 
Very nice, K.

BTW, I think I read here you moved? If your shipping addy changed I'll need the updated version soon.

Brad
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 03, 2006, 07:07 PM:
 
Scruffy,

It's my pleasure. Besides, what else am I going to do with all these calls?

Brad,

Thanks.

I haven't moved, yet. We were planning on it, but that deal fell through.

I'll be here, whenever you need anything.

Krusty
 

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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on February 03, 2006, 07:45 PM:
 
How much do you want?
 

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Posted by TheHuntedOne (Member # 623) on February 04, 2006, 04:40 AM:
 
Krusty, those are some of the prettiest calls I have seen yet. You are a craftsman. Amazing what you do without a lathe. Keep it up buddy.

Al
THO Game Calls
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 04, 2006, 06:15 PM:
 
Tim,

I'll take what I can get. The chunk I got from Vic was about the size of my fore arm, something about that size would be awesome.

Let me know what you'd want in return.

Al,

Thanks.

Krusty
 

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Posted by Doggitter (Member # 489) on February 04, 2006, 10:44 PM:
 
Krusty, how is Chinquapin for calls? There quite a bit in our part of the world. Madrone too but that's a real tough wood when it's dried.
 

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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on February 05, 2006, 10:09 AM:
 
How about Walnut? Can it get too dry? I've got a piece that's been sitting out in the shed for the last five years.
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 05, 2006, 10:33 AM:
 
Loren,

I've never heard of chinquapin? A google search lead me to some answers though.

Chinquapin, also spelled chinkapin and pronounced like this spelling, is an oak tree, mostly types of yellow oak.
Our region is home to the giant chinquapin, one of the original residents of the live oak prairies that used to dominate the lowland landscape.

It was difficult to find anything relating to the workability of the wood, but I did find where it has been used for... paneling, tool handles, furniture, novelties (that's us, I think ), and fuel wood.

I haven't used any madrone either, but if my memory serves me correctly, I think I remember seeing someone else use some.

Both woods sound tough, which is not necessarily a bad thing.

Are we going somewhere with this?

Yeah, I'd be glad to give either wood a try, as long as you're willing to give a call (or two) a good home.

Krusty
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on February 05, 2006, 10:38 AM:
 
Hey Krusty,
I have been on the road again, and leaving again tomorrow for a few days. I hope Im not too late.

Thanks a million!! Thats a great looking call. I guess if you posted your email, I missed it. If you could, email me at plaughlin001@charter.net and I will get back with you.

Let me know how much and where to send it.

Thanks again. Thats a good lookin call for sure.

Andy
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 05, 2006, 10:46 AM:
 
I worked two different companies with ol' Vic. A good guy. Me and him pretty much ran the place but one time we had a huge black walnut tree cut down to make room for a structure. Beautiful crotch pieces; I could have made a couple hundred handgun grips and for sure (at least) one fabulous rifle stock. Well, I was hording that stuff behind the building for years when I happened to be back there for some reason and it was all gone!

So, I asked Vic. Nobody else even knew it was there. So, he says; yeah, I took it home for the fireplace, it's all gone! And, Vic is a shooter, Marine Corps, he should have known better, but he didn't. That broke my heart, right there....bang/flop.

Generally, they dry hardwood in kilns to a small percentage of moisture. There is a theoretical ideal percentage, around 5%(?) but I don't think you could leave a piece for a number of years and have all the moisture out of it, there is always some humidity in the air and wood acts like a sponge, exposed to water vapor.

You might as well send that piece to K, Tim. Miss Joyce says you won't do any woodworking around the house?

Oh, I have another one. I again horded some beautiful "Honduran" mahogany above my garage. This stuff doesn't look anything like Phillipine mahogany, it has figure and looks more like walnut and is very hard.

Same old story, one day I'm up in the rafters and, (whoa) where's my mahogany? When I asked Junior about it, turns out he had hauled it to various places in the neighborhood; "a long time ago" was the precise term he used, but he couldn't recall exactly WHY?

Use it or lose it, Tim.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Doggitter (Member # 489) on February 05, 2006, 12:03 PM:
 
There are versions of oak that have no leaf resemblance to the common oaks? The Chinquapin I know of has a leaf that's very spike shaped, puts out seed pods similar to the chestnut, spiny cover. The wood has a real beauty to it with varying colors in some samples. I'll get a piece rounded up. I'd be willing to trade samples.
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 05, 2006, 12:17 PM:
 
Andy,

I figured you were off chasin' bad guys, good luck with the next one.

I'll send you an e-mail, because I have a couple questions, but the details are pretty simple.

You send me your shipping address and I send you a call, I am not asking for anything in return (other than you use the call, when you can, or give it to someone who will).

Loren,

One of the subspecies is called the yellow swamp chestnut, and both the oaks and the chestnuts are part of the magnolia family group. So it doesn't suprise me it might share characteristics of both it's relatives.

Shoot me an e-mail, when you're ready to, and I'll let you know where to send it.

Krusty

[ February 05, 2006, 12:29 PM: Message edited by: Krustyklimber ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 05, 2006, 12:18 PM:
 
We have a native tree, here in southern California called a "scrub oak". They can get pretty big.

Talk about the shape of leaves. Back in Minnesota, oak leaves are large and with a lot of "tabs" on the sides, what else they might be called, I haven't a clue?

But, our scrub oak has leaves like holly, with sharp spines that can stick you real good. I have no idea of the grain structure, or anything else about it, but in general, oak is not a very attractive wood.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Melvin (Member # 634) on February 05, 2006, 01:04 PM:
 
I have some walnut that is over a hundred years old and it is in good shape.
I also have some wood over 300 years old.It came from an old log cabin,dating back to the 1700's.I found an old gun lock,in between some logs "Percussion cap" Looks to take much larger caps,than the standard percussion cap rifles.

The lock is still in working order.No research on it'yet.One old fella told me the lock was made,"during the civil war?"

Krusty,this log is hand hewn,i will check and see how much "good wood" i can get out of it. [Won't be for a while]"maybe" we can make a deal?
Lot of worm holes in it[maybe wormy chestnut?]
 

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Posted by Doggitter (Member # 489) on February 05, 2006, 07:00 PM:
 
Ok, this looks quite close to what I know of.
http://plants.usda.gov/java/largeImage?imageID=chchc4_004_avp.tif

This links shows an oak variant, complete with acorns. Definitely not what I'm refering to.
http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/forestry/Education/ohiotrees/oakchinquapin.htm
....still researching.

Good pic of the leaves and seed pod I remember here. http://waynesword.palomar.edu/images/chinqu1b.jpg

Looks like the Western or Golden Chinquapin most resembles what I know of this tree. The growth boundries match, soil types match, available pics match, description of the seed pods match...

[ February 05, 2006, 07:30 PM: Message edited by: Doggitter ]
 

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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on February 06, 2006, 07:02 PM:
 
Krusty,

I found a nice piece for you, but I can't bring myself to cut it.


 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 06, 2006, 07:36 PM:
 
Tim, where the heck are you "surfing" to find that stuff?
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 06, 2006, 08:40 PM:
 
Tim,

I missed your question about the walnut.
Walnut I can get, for a lot less than the shipping would probably cost, Arizona mesquite is another story.

Maybe one of the other call makers, closer to you, could put the walnut to use?

Very interesting picture.

I doubt I could cut it down either... don't mess with Mother Nature, ya know?

Somebody should put a game-cam on that thing, come spring.

Krusty
 

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Posted by Melvin (Member # 634) on February 06, 2006, 10:51 PM:
 
Does everybody get to sit at"The Grand Buffet!"
 

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Posted by RedRabbit (Member # 796) on February 07, 2006, 07:58 AM:
 
Interesting tree, what is that? Naughty pine. I bet it will give some kind of wood.
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 07, 2006, 07:56 PM:
 
Scruffy,

Here's your picture;



I showed it with a single reed, because that's where I start. When I like the way it plays, I then make the topreed to give it that special sound.

I'm kinda suprised you haven't tried/heard a double-stacked reed call yet, I'm not the only guy using them. I believe we'll see a production call with that feature, before long.

*Note: You can always (carefully) lift up the topreed, and use it like a single reed call, especially for coyote vocalizations (which can begin and end sorta "duckishly" with the double-stack), which makes sense, I learned it from my duck calls (P.S. Olt in particular).

Brad,

I been thinkin' about it... what you really need updated, is your old Krusty Kriers call.

Got any scaps of really cool wood that don't want to be turned on a lathe?

Tim,

I got a really nice piece of english walnut, almost made into a call, when it's done you want it?

Redrabbit,

"Naughty pine" you are too funny!

How 'bout you, you live anywhere around the Burley/City of Rocks neighborhood?

Krusty
 

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Posted by scruffy (Member # 725) on February 08, 2006, 07:28 AM:
 
Krusty, the call looks awesome!!!

I can't wait to get it out on stand and call some stuff in! I love the shape and size and I'm sure I'll love the sound.

Thanks again Krusty! And I'm sure I'll have some pics for your photo page.

later,
scruffy
 

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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on February 09, 2006, 10:43 AM:
 
Naw,

I've always been a sucker for a fairy tale ending. All I want is to see a picture of you holding up a coyote that you killed.

Sound fair?

Edit: I can't spell

[ February 09, 2006, 05:27 PM: Message edited by: Tim Behle ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 09, 2006, 11:04 AM:
 
Tim, we've already been waiting (how many) seasons?
 

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Posted by brad h (Member # 57) on February 09, 2006, 01:32 PM:
 
K,

I think could use an updated version.

I do have some pieces laying around you can have. Mostly cedar, hackberry, hickory, and some exotic odds and ends for the most part.

I know I have more...and more unique. I'll have to look around and see what else is there when I get home next week.

Brad
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 09, 2006, 06:12 PM:
 
Tim,

Okay?

As for fairy book endings, I can't promise that.

Leonard,

None of you guys knew me the first season, so you have been waiting five seasons (when this one ends, if it isn't over already?).

Believe me, NOBODY is as disappointed as I am.

Brad,

Lemme know what you find

Krusty
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on February 09, 2006, 06:50 PM:
 
Krusty,

Got your email and sent one back. Thanks again. Lookin forward to trying that call.

Andy
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 15, 2006, 12:01 PM:
 
Okay guys (NASA, Andy, and Scrufy),

Sorry about the delay. I've had a bum tooth, and wasn't able to "properly field test" these calls.

They are in the mail, on the way, now.

Each call has a spare single reed (inside the call), which works well for coyote vocalizations, you can keep this (flat)in your wallet.
(*Note flattening out the double-stacked reed will damage it).

I put a (very basic) two call lanyard in with each call too.

Scruffy's and Andy's calls have a different type of air channel design I've been using to try and "soften" the pitch break.

I was really just guessing what "tune" each of you could use (and each is unique), so let me know what you think (good or bad), we can always change it if necessary.

Krusty
 

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Posted by scruffy (Member # 725) on February 15, 2006, 12:20 PM:
 
Thanks krusty!!! Should be here in time for the weekend!

I do have a question on the double reed, I know you mentioned that the coyote vocalizations at the begin and end sound "duckishly" with the double reed. Is the "duckishly" sound just on the howls or does pup distress also begin/end "duckishly"?

It's not a problem either way, just curious. I'll probably be doing alot of pup distress this spring (it's worked well in the past for me) on some cattle farms, maybe I should use the single reed during that time of year?

later,
scruffy
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 15, 2006, 12:46 PM:
 
Scruffy,

It's mostly the howls and grown-up barks, that are adversely affected by the double reed.
Your call should do yips and cries, very well, as is.

You might consider the single reed, that's why I send them along, not everyone is thrilled by the double-stack sound.

Another option is, you can lift up the top reed (with your lip between them) and use just the soundreed. You can do this to make coyote vocalizations, or to make two different distress sounds (and sound more like two different calls).

Krusty
 

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Posted by scruffy (Member # 725) on February 15, 2006, 12:53 PM:
 
Cool! I'll let you know when it arrives. I can't wait to get it out on stand.

later,
scruffy

[ February 15, 2006, 12:54 PM: Message edited by: scruffy ]
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on February 15, 2006, 01:59 PM:
 
Thanks Krusty. Cant wait to try it out....

Andy
 

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Posted by scruffy (Member # 725) on February 20, 2006, 07:46 AM:
 
Hey Krusty, I got the call in the mail last friday!!! Haven't gotten it on stand yet (didn't have it with me Saturday, along with alot of my other calling gear..., when I made one stand) but I have tested it outside with the stacked reed, very interesting, and I love the distress sounds out of it. Took a little getting use to, but I like it.

Sunday I did some more playing. Since I wanted to be able to lone howls on this call (I'm carrying two hand calls right now with the ecaller, one closed, one open, I use the open for opening the stand with a couple howls) so I was going to put the single reed in it. I used a micrometer (which is never very far away ) and measured the stacked reeds (.010 and .015) and the single reed (.015). Since you said you start with the bottom reed (.010), get it sounding good, then put a top reed on it, I decided to cut a .010 reed (same dementions as the .015 reed) to compare to the .015 reed you sent. I put the .010 reed in it, WOW, I love the pup howls I can do on it! It also did wonderful distress sound, both pup and rabbit, as well. I haven't tried the .015 single reed yet, I like the .010 so well I'll have a hard time pulling it off I think.

But next fall, when the calls role changed from "pup howler" to "rabbit distress" I'll put the stacked reed set back in. I think the fall pups will think it's to die for. (sorry, bad humor..... )

I also wanted to thank you for the lanyard. I had one similar to it that I lost over a year ago. I've looked and looked and looked and couldn't find one. I took yours, and some cord I had, and used yours as a template. By looking at the knots on your lanyard, and 45 minutes, I taught myself how to tie the knots. Then I spent then next hour after that trying to make the knots look as good as yours (which I never did, but they're tight and look exactly like yours, just not as neat and tidy, obviosly because you have alot more experience than an hour and 45 minutes tieing them, LOL!) I took my "replica" and am putting it in the safe to keep as a "backup" incase I loose yours. And if I loose yours I'll use my "replica" as a template and make another before I loose it also. (pulling my fleece hood off before taking off my lanyard sometimes results in the lanyard coming off also, landing on the ground, I don't hear it, and hense walk off without it. Most of the time I hear it land or go back for it and find it when I realize I've lost it, but once I couldn't find it... ) Oh, and one of the reasons I love the lanyard so much is I can loosen the middle knot and adjust the bottom lanyard loop down a bit so the calls don't hit. Makes for quiet walking.

But thanks again Krusty, it sounds and looks great!!! I love the size, fits my hand perfectly. If the coyotes like it half as much as I do the back of my truck will be filled with fur every weekend.

later,
scruffy

[ February 20, 2006, 08:34 AM: Message edited by: scruffy ]
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on February 20, 2006, 10:06 AM:
 
Got mine today Krusty. Thanks again and Ill let you know as soon as I get a chance to try it out.

Thanks
Andy
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 20, 2006, 10:53 AM:
 
Scruffy,

I'm so glad you had some of the reed material, on hand, to make the call play the way YOU like.

If you loose the double-stack reedset, or ever have any trouble at all, I'll warranty these calls as long as I am alive and able.

The lanyards are really no big deal at all.
They just take a minute or three to whip out, and it's only about 30 cents worth of cord (at the most).

Andy,

I'm glad it made it there, the U.S.P.S. has been really good to me, but I still worry while they have em.

Treat that ol' workhorse call as well as you'd treat one of your rifles, and hopefully it'll do it's job well too.

Thanks to you guys, for giving them good homes, to me it's kind of like giving a good hunting dog to a friend.
I can't keep and hunt with them all.

Krusty
 

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Posted by scruffy (Member # 725) on February 20, 2006, 11:16 AM:
 

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If you loose the double-stack reedset, or ever have any trouble at all, I'll warranty these calls as long as I am alive and able

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Hey, I almost had to take you up on that offer. When I made the .010 reed and put it on the call for testing I left the stacked reed and the .015 reed sitting on the table next to the lanyard I made. When I came back to get them later to put the reeds in the safe the reeds were gone were gone, the lanyard setting there lonely.

I went into the living room and asked my wife "where did you put my reeds?" Her response "I threw them away, I didn't know what they were." (She knew what they were... When I said "where did you put my reeds" she knew exactly what I was talking about... ) I spent the next 10 minutes digging in the trash for them, then washed them off really really good and layed them back out to dry. Might have a hint of coffee ground taste now...

I was very hesitant "altering" your call by putting on a different reed on it, but in the end the call was made to be used, and part of using a call is changing reeds for the desired audience's ears when necessary. So I tried it out, and I'm glad I did. I love the sound!

Thanks again Krusty!

later,
scruffy

[ February 20, 2006, 11:17 AM: Message edited by: scruffy ]
 

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Posted by scruffy (Member # 725) on February 20, 2006, 01:33 PM:
 

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Scruffy's and Andy's calls have a different type of air channel design I've been using to try and "soften" the pitch break.

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