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Posted by howler (Member # 197) on January 13, 2009, 04:41 PM:
Its new this year anybody have a chance to use this call yet, I'm curious how it performed, was it easy to carry, or clumbersome. Dose it live up to its bigger versions, loud and proud
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 13, 2009, 07:13 PM:
One of the members that goes by NewBomb bought one not to long ago and has had good luck with his so far. No matter which one you buy thay are all good units..
Posted by Clint (Member # 346) on January 14, 2009, 07:13 AM:
Tim,
If you aren't careful you are going to wear a little hold in Bill's pant leg. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 14, 2009, 08:58 AM:
A smaller than average hole? Is that what you mean?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by newbomb (Member # 888) on January 14, 2009, 09:15 AM:
The call is very loud for its size and the new remote is ALOT more reliable than last years model. Here are some hero shots to show the size compared to some 35-40 pound coyote.
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on January 30, 2009, 10:22 PM:
Hey Bomb,
How does it sound compared to a foxpro?
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 30, 2009, 10:31 PM:
All the WT models sound better than a tin horn fox-pro. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on January 31, 2009, 12:34 PM:
Hey ain't that a "tin horn" speaker??
Posted by Clint (Member # 346) on January 31, 2009, 06:25 PM:
How's that saying go, eating WT's and shitting Minaskas?
Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on January 31, 2009, 09:12 PM:
What I want to know, was Bill right? Well they call in five times more animals then any caller on the market?
Posted by newbomb (Member # 888) on February 01, 2009, 07:35 AM:
Well I have only hunted over a foxpro a total of maybe 20 stands,all with no callups. I have hunted with this caller about 12 stands resulting in 2 triples 1 double and 2 singles of which I killed a total of 4 coyotes (and if I can brag is DAMN good numbers in southern Indiana). This is my 4th serious year of calling coyotes so Im still very new, but this caller has given me a confidence level like Ive never had. Somtimes just "knowing" your gonna see animals makes all the difference in the anticipation of the total hunting experience not just the kill.
Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on February 01, 2009, 12:09 PM:
I checked out the call on the WT site, it looks like a good deal at $490 and maybe something I'd be interested in.
Newbomb, 12 stands and 11 coyotes, that's not good, that's outstanding anywhere in North America. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on February 01, 2009, 01:05 PM:
"What I want to know, was Bill right? Well they call in five times more animals then any caller on the market?"
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Onecoyote,
The short answer is NO. You and I both know that any caller will call coyotes if it will play the screams. That little WT that Newbomb has is a cute little bugger though ain't it?
Posted by newbomb (Member # 888) on February 01, 2009, 01:39 PM:
But I only killed 4! Maybe I oughta trade my bolt gun for them guns ARSHAW uses? Quick follow ups on them multiples.
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on February 01, 2009, 04:38 PM:
newbomb,
You did good on the coyotes, I ain't knocking you or your caller.
Posted by newbomb (Member # 888) on February 01, 2009, 06:03 PM:
Thank you sir, coming from you that means alot.
Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on February 01, 2009, 08:16 PM:
Newbomb, my little comment was an inside joke for those who know about it, I was sure not knocking that little caller of yours. Heck, I could be owning one soon lol.
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on February 02, 2009, 04:58 AM:
"Heck, I could be owning one soon lol."
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Onecoyote,
Buy two of em while you are at it. Send one of the buggers to me.
Posted by Okanagan (Member # 870) on February 02, 2009, 09:25 AM:
It looks good and the price is right. I'd have bought the previous small size WT three years ago if the doggone thing would let me put my own sounds on it. I really like the WT e-caller.
But I call a lot of kind of critters and often experiment with new sounds. The lady on the phone at WT was nice and said that I could send it back along with a recording of a sound I want and they would put it on the caller. We'd be sending it back and forth all the time.
I have added a dozen or more sounds to my Minaska, 8 of them generated by myself. Some are species specific vocalizations for critters like lynx that nobody offers. I'd have even more self generated ones on it for mule deer, different ones for blacktail, etc. if it was legal to call them with an e-caller.
When talking with Bill Martz about it, he said that there was no sound I could want for calling game that he didn't have available. So I named one. He replied, "Oh."
I found him reasonable, enjoyed talking with him and learned a bit. I like his product, just wish it had more flexiblilty about loading on sounds.
OK, this turned into a vent. I feel like a diabetic craving a chocolate bar he can't have.
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on February 02, 2009, 10:10 AM:
Okanagan,
I know exactly what you mean. I record and use a lot of my own sounds also. I would not be happy with a caller that didn't allow me to load my own sounds into it. Bill Martz loves to hold his customers hostage to the "Martz" sounds. Makes more money for him that way.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 02, 2009, 11:28 AM:
You get 40-50-60 sounds with a WT. How many more does a guy need.. From the last two trips i used about 6 different sounds and i don't think most callers would need to use any more than that. Great sounds and they get results..
I was getting an average of 1 response out of 3 stands where i used to get 1 out of 10 stands. The only thing different was i located four days prior and i used a WT.
I also have a Minaska big country and have around 250 sounds i can use on it, the problem is that most of the sounds i have have to be edited and cleaned up and when finished some of them still don't sound right or are weak in volume.. I like the B.C. so i will spend my summer trying to get the sounds i have to work with it properly...
But then again after useing the WT maybe i'm exspecting to much from the B.C.
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 02, 2009, 12:43 PM:
How many sounds does a guy need? Only one maybe 2 per stand if he blows the first chance but thats not the point is it. I like being able to add my own sounds. I think WT would sell more callers if he'd change this.
They definately have a great caller, so my question is, is it the way the sounds are recorded or is it the sounds themselves or is it the speaker? Maybe a combonation of all 3. Would JS sounds call 5 times more coyotes on a WT or would WT sounds call more coyotes on a FP?
As for calling critters, I made one stand monday evening a week ago and killed one coyote. Went back to the same place wednesday morning, made one stand and killed another. Went back saturday morning and was blank on the first stand and killed one on the second, killed another on the third stand and called (but let him get downwind) on the fourth stand. I ain't good at math but that's not bad average for the same 800 acres. Was it my caller? My ability to pick stands? Stupid coyotes?
I really want one of these WT callers and will as soon as I can afford one but it would be nice to add sounds. Although I do understand it has more to do with keeping someone from "pirating" his sounds. Maybe he could sell a blank caller with the ability to add your own sounds?
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 02, 2009, 02:27 PM:
If you could down load sounds in the WT i don't think they would work, too much distortion!
You could do like i do and many others is have two callers..
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on February 02, 2009, 03:32 PM:
You get 40-50-60 sounds with a WT. How many more does a guy need..
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It ain't that I need MORE sounds, I just like using those that I record myself. I see that the new little WT caller uses 10 AA batteries. I wonder if a feller could use a 2.9 Amp hour 12 volt sealed lead/acid battery instead?
TA,
If you have a few particular sounds that you need cleaned up, just E mail em to me. I am pressed for time right now, so don't send too dang many sounds. Just a few favorites that you would like cleaned up. I am 50 calls behind on my orders as I type this.
cronkcalls@aol.com
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 02, 2009, 03:50 PM:
"You could do like i do and many others is have two callers.."
I know Tim but I keep buying more crap that I "NEED" All the talk last week on the 4.5-14 scope and all of a sudden I "needed" one. Actually the deal was just too good to pass up.
Newbomb, stay away from those evil AR's they'll just make you miss faster and more often... or maybe not.
Posted by Okanagan (Member # 870) on February 02, 2009, 05:45 PM:
"You get 40-50-60 sounds with a WT. How many more does a guy need.. From the last two trips i used about 6 different sounds and i don't think most callers would need to use any more than that."
TA17rem, You are right about most callers not "needing" more sounds at least if they call only coyotes and maybe a bobcat or fox once in awhile. But as Rich said, it is fun to use your own calls, and sometimes you can put in a wrinkle of sound that suits you for a specific purpose, even if is merely a variation of fawn or rabbit distress. And I like my lip squeeks better than anybody's I've heard (he said modestly).
But what if you want a blacktail doe in heat sound? Got one of those? Don't send me whitetail stuff and call it "deer call" or "doe bleat." How about a "come back" call for a spooked mule deer? Or a come back call for antelope? The specific sounds that get lynx to vocalize back and walk right in? (I don't call it a "lynx in heat" etc. because I have no idea what it is or says, only that they respond well.) A blue grouse call that gets those babies to sidle up to you? I'd like to get an otter's snuffy chirp on my e-caller as well when I figure out how to make it.
I haven't heard much of cow moose in heat calls either. Mostly the sound sellers have bull grunts of various sorts, though I've never listened to the WT moose calls. And the difference is huge, not a straining in the mind of the listener to differentiate, like it is with male and female coyote howls.
Like Tom64 said, if Martz would sell an empty WT that I could put my own sounds on, I'd be interested. I've called cougars with the sound of my Weems recorded and played on a Wal-Mart boom box, so can get or make sounds.
Whether intended to keep buyers hostage to WT or merely protect sounds from piracy, hostage is how it turns out in practice for those of us who experiment with sounds.
I've made or played offbeat sounds on a stand just to see what an animal I'm watching will do, whether I plan to shoot it or not. Called in a bald eagle on Sat. the first of those that I remember coming to my call. I flat out enjoy calling animals of most any kind, and like good tools for it. They are getting better. It's an effective way for us older lazy men to hunt, as well as being fun.
[ February 02, 2009, 05:47 PM: Message edited by: Okanagan ]
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 02, 2009, 08:11 PM:
Rich.. Thanks for the offer..I'll get some lined up and send to you in a month or two.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 02, 2009, 08:17 PM:
Okanagan: It sounds like you maybe better off with the Big country. I don't know about where you live but here you cannot use an electric caller to call big game...
I still recomend the WT for pred.'s ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 02, 2009, 08:54 PM:
Rich: The WT will work all day without a battery charge and then some with the ten AA's. It only takes about 15-30 minutes to recharge them and you can do that when driveing to next stand..
Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on February 07, 2009, 02:27 PM:
The point is he could easily make the WT one that you could add and change sounds around if he wanted to. A smaller card comming out of the back end of the cap or what have you, but the problem being then people would know you don't need his 33.00 sounds to call in coyotes with
His call sound sales would tank in a hurry, when you can buy good quailty sounds from Minaska for under 2.00 each and yes they will call in coyotes for sure.
So not so much he has you covered as much as he doesn't want to loose the 33.00 per sound charge! I would say he makes as much or more off the sounds in a year selling them as he does callers profit wise! just a guess?
Yeh a hungry coyote or an agressive coyote protecting a den 1/2 mile away just might not like a little white noise LOL. Or better yet clean out the white noise on gold wave or another program if it bothers a guy.
Posted by browning204 (Member # 821) on February 07, 2009, 06:46 PM:
I heard WT's smallest caller long before it hit the market. I knew it was gonna go over well with the buyers.
Serious statement: for anyone looking for a caller in that price range then that is the caller for you!! It will blow the Foxpro away as far as volume and sound clarity. No bells and whistles, no funny remote that you can play Donkey Kong on, just a great little caller with great vocals.
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on February 07, 2009, 07:04 PM:
"no funny remote that you can play Donkey Kong on,"
I'm pissed off now. My Fury remote don't have Donkey Kong on it. Now you have me wondering, could it be one of them FP costly upgrades.
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on February 07, 2009, 07:36 PM:
browning204,
I am sure the 2030MS is a nice little caller, but you are wrong about the volume being louder than a Foxpro Fury. I know of a side by side comparison that involved a decible meter. The Fury won.
Posted by Bill Martz (Member # 378) on February 07, 2009, 10:06 PM:
Rich said:
"I am sure the 2030MS is a nice little caller, but you are wrong about the volume being louder than a Foxpro Fury. I know of a side by side comparison that involved a decible meter. The Fury won."
Another dummy, just what this world needs.
1-The foxpro alarm transducer (speaker) can only produce frequencies between 1300hz and 4Khz. Animal sounds usually start at 200hz and go up to 23Khz. As you can see, the foxpro alarm transducer (speaker) can only produce about 14% of the frequency content of a typical animal vocalization. Also, the reproduced sound coming out of the foxpro speaker is awful. But what do you want considering it only cost $3.41 per unit.
2-As to your speaker volume test using a decibel meter for the testing, either you are deaf and blind or you don't know anything about the use of a decible meter. Which by the way is the wrong method to use to measure speaker output. Can you tell us how it is possible that a 3.5" $3.41 alarm transduce (speaker) can produce more volume than a compression horn speaker that's six times the size, triple the watts rating at lower frequencies and is being driven by a digital amp with software gain using up to 18 volts versus the 9.6 volts used on the foxpro? By the way, all of our sounds are set at -2db.
3-Anytime you want to make a bet on which caller is louder, I will give you 3 to 1 odds for any amount you want to lose. To make it easier for you just try this small test. Set the foxpro and our KAS-2030MS on the ground side be side and walk away a 100 yards. Turn both callers to full volume and use the same exact sound in each.
4-Next time engage brain before moving lips and try to see a little more of the world you live in. It would help you to think a little better.
Bill Martz
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 07, 2009, 10:11 PM:
Damn, Bill! You're a pip! (whatever that is?)
Congratulations, I hear your new caller is the cat's ass?
Good hunting. LB
edit: Dan Carey, are you lying? You don't really own a Fury, do you?
[ February 07, 2009, 10:13 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 08, 2009, 12:23 AM:
Hey Bill: I talked with Randy Roede today and he said his new remote is working good, i hope he has'nt worn my unit out. LOL
Randy said all the sounds i have on mine are working real good also..
I'll be heading back out to Randy's after the 17th for some more fun.. I think this trip Jeff R. willbe hunting with us also.. Takecare and thanks for a great caller.
P.S. set one of the smaller units aside i will want one sometime this spring...
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 08, 2009, 12:25 AM:
I thought all AR guys use a fox-pro, even ARShaw.
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on February 08, 2009, 04:49 AM:
"Another dummy, just what this world needs."
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Yes Bill, if they would have hung your parents before you were born, then none of this would have ever happened. So a 10 watt horn is louder than a 15 watt horn? I will pass that off as a joke for right now. The test I mentioned actually did take place, and it ain't my fault that the Foxpro was louder. I still think that your little 2030MS is probably a good unit. Too bad that the owner of your business is such a goof ball.
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 08, 2009, 10:19 AM:
How does one go about getting "the exact same sound" on a WT, and a FoxPro...
Krusty 
Posted by browning204 (Member # 821) on February 08, 2009, 11:15 AM:
Rich please read my post again. I said that I heard it long before it hit the market. That was long before the Fury was even thought of.
To be fair, I do not know how loud the Fury is but when I heard Bill's call, it was WAY louder than the FX-5 and clearer also.
Now I have read alot of threads about the Fury, some very entertaining. The Fury, as I read it is just an FX-5 with a new remote that can do more stuff. Have the speakers, electronics and battery packs been changed?
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on February 08, 2009, 01:02 PM:
"Now I have read alot of threads about the Fury, some very entertaining. The Fury, as I read it is just an FX-5 with a new remote that can do more stuff. Have the speakers, electronics and battery packs been changed?"
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Browning,
The Fury uses a whole different radio frequency, and gives much better remote control reliability. No more "line of sight" worries. The Fury evidently uses a more powerful amplifier also, because the volume of my Fury is quite a lot louder than my FX5 can deliver. It appears that the same speakers are used in the Fury as the FX5 uses though. Battery pack is still 8 AA batteries. There have been some problems being reported by owners of the new Fury, but those will be ironed out fairly quickly. I haven't tried any of those new high tech. things that are available with the Fury because I have no desire to use pre-programmed volume changes, periods of silence or anything like that. Some guys like to do that I guess, but I prefer to control the situation while on stand. Pressing the mute button, or pressing a different button to change sounds is the way I prefer.
Posted by browning204 (Member # 821) on February 08, 2009, 01:36 PM:
So Rich, maybe a more powerful Amp but the same speaker and battery set-up. I can't really see it making a huge difference but like I said, I never heard a Fury.
I would like to hear one in person but doubt i will. WT has the market pinned around here and those who used FP's have since swapped out. This kind of terrian makes it nice to have good volume. I have sent ALOT of guys to Bills place.
If I ever find a Fury owner in person, I will be sure to take it for a test drive. Thank you for answering my question Rich!
Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on February 08, 2009, 03:47 PM:
The FX5 and Fury are only two of Foxpros models, like WT they have several. If you want louder try a OCC or a Snow Crow.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 08, 2009, 05:22 PM:
Cal. I been talking to a few guys that are useing the fox-pro and they claim the pup distress #2 is working real well. Is that one of youre sounds??
Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on February 08, 2009, 07:02 PM:
TA, it is, and it has been one of my favs for several years. I'd hate to venture a guess at how many coyotes that sound has killed but it's a pile. I recorded a new one last year that is out now and it may be even better.
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on February 08, 2009, 08:42 PM:
Whats the name on the new one?
Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on February 09, 2009, 04:35 AM:
Well, I thought it should be coyote pup #3
But I think the official new name was coyote pup screams or something like that.
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 09, 2009, 05:19 AM:
Cal, that's my preset #1 on the Fury. It called 3 back after I couldn't get the first one stopped and missed a running shot. Shot a little better the second time around. Great sound.
Of course these must have been dumb coyotes since I read how bad the sound is coming out of the toy speaker and all... ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on February 09, 2009, 01:11 PM:
Thats good to hear Tom, the big difference between the #2 and #3 is that #3 is recorded and will play back in 24 bit. Testing on the new WT shows that it is only 16 bit. Thats why the Fury is so much louder and clearer, regardless of the speaker. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
[ February 09, 2009, 01:11 PM: Message edited by: 3 Toes ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 09, 2009, 01:21 PM:
So, that pretty much settles the question? Or not? 24 bit means the Fury plays that #3 sound much louder; and further, due to the new remote? The speaker amp rating and quality doesn't have anything to do with it? Or are you talking about the quad speaker arrangement? By the way, does that have a separate amplifier and power source?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on February 09, 2009, 02:50 PM:
Leonard,
The toy class HORN speaker on the Fury has a higher amp rating than does the big ole hockin' 10 amp speaker on the WT2030ms. That would account for the Fury's LOUDER volume I suppose?
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 09, 2009, 03:04 PM:
Leonard, all I know is I'm calling coyotes on volume level 20,25 and sometimes 30 out of a 40 max level. I do still have a 10 watt TOA speaker from my Minaska fiasko and it plugs right into the Fury, it's louder than the Fury's speaker. The 24bit sounds sound clean to me but I'm half deaf and still calling them with JS Canine pups downloaded onto the Fury. What do I know?
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 09, 2009, 03:27 PM:
Need to clarify I only used the TOA speaker on one stand. I use the Fury just as it is with only the horn speaker turned on.
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on February 15, 2009, 08:13 PM:
I plugged a TOA 10watt speaker into a FX3, and it seemed louder and perhaps slightly clearer than the factory horn speaker.
I have been thinking of just picking up a used FP Scorpion and strapping it to the TOA speaker. Then I can use FP, JS, or my own sounds if I thought my own were any good.
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on February 16, 2009, 04:33 AM:
"I have been thinking of just picking up a used FP Scorpion and strapping it to the TOA speaker. Then I can use FP, JS, or my own sounds if I thought my own were any good."
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DanS,
That would make a dandy setup right there. I sometimes use a 15 watt TOA with my scorpion, but now I believe that a 10 watt TOA would be almost as good. It would be lighter for sure, and enough volume for 99 percent of a man's calling needs. I had a 30 watt TOA for my Minaska Bandit, but I sold it because it was too large and cumbersom to carry around. That 30 watt TOA sure would have made a good locator speaker to carry in the truck though. You could break the ear drums of any coyote within three miles.
Posted by 6mm284 (Member # 1129) on March 09, 2009, 03:40 AM:
Was looking seriously at the WT callers, until I read the impolite response to Rich.As my grandfather said." Some people think their sh t doesnt stink, but their farts give them away."
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on March 09, 2009, 05:46 PM:
6mm284,
Don't take those guys THAT serious. The new W.T. 2030MS is a dandy little caller. Bill Martz is severely lacking in people skills but his callers are dandy. Now Leonard? Well he is high on people skills, but real low on handsome. LOL
Posted by LionHo (Member # 233) on March 13, 2009, 08:40 PM:
Finally, after 6+ years of BS, I see for the first time today a couple of WT product pages that pull the covers on the real-world frequency response of the latest WT's using TOA speakers:
http://www.wildlifetech.com/pages/KAS-2030MM%20product%20page.html
http://www.wildlifetech.com/pages/KAS-2030MS%20product%20page.html
96 bit sound notwithstanding, 12.5KHz is crap. Any high-pitched component to the sound will be completely stripped out.
No wonder they won't stand for anyone loading their own sounds.
Posted by happy trapper (Member # 1016) on March 13, 2009, 11:31 PM:
All I can say is that if you want to call coyotes & kill coyotes the WT call has the clear sound & enough volume to bring them in from a very long distance.
I myself go on the amount that I call in & kill not on the db or Khz.
I still have the old one that has the bag with the componets in the bag.
Albert & myself Have called in 5 coyotes at one stand this fall & I shot all 5.
Bill Martz just wondering when you & Your son were coming to Saskatchewan Canada again
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 13, 2009, 11:44 PM:
Hey? Why don't you let Albert shoot a few?
I have to mention here, that I have called thousands of coyotes and hundreds of other critters with a JS512, and furthermore, before that, a hell of a lot of animals with an eight track tape deck.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 14, 2009, 10:53 AM:
If you had the WT then Leonard you would of called twice as many...
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on March 14, 2009, 01:51 PM:
Tim,
Bill himself told me a number of times, that I could call FIVE TIMES the number of predators with his WT over my JS512.
It's pure bullshit.
The ablility to call more predators, comes through confidence, experience, and Location.
The product that you use to create a sound, isn't nearly as important as picking the right sound to use.
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on March 14, 2009, 02:56 PM:
"The ability to call more predators, comes through confidence, experience, and Location."
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Ain't that the gosh awful truth!
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on March 14, 2009, 03:15 PM:
Ditto to what Tim B. Said.....
The sounds the caller makes are down the list as far as priority goes, whether it be hand calls,tape players,eight track,blades of grass,lip squeaks,or the latest greatest digital caller out there.
Tim listed the top three priorities that equal success(more coyotes called and killed): confidence, experience, and Location.I would also add "Time" to the list.The more time you have to invest the more you will call/kill I guess it goes right along with experience.....
Good Hunting Chad
[ March 14, 2009, 03:20 PM: Message edited by: UTcaller ]
Posted by happy trapper (Member # 1016) on March 15, 2009, 12:50 AM:
Leonard the coyotes were just inside the bush & I could see them & Albert could not see them as good.
I started calling with a JS the 12D battery box cassette machine & I got a few but not as many as now.
It is true (The more time in the field meanes the more you should learn.)
I have watched as coyotes have stoped coming in and just started to nose around and when you changed the sound they would come running in again.
I have noticed the time that the posts were posted and I thought that you should be calling coyotes but then I forgot that some of you can hunt at night. HEE HEE HEE
Posted by Bofire (Member # 221) on March 15, 2009, 10:17 AM:
Hey guys how do those speakers compare to the SP 55 foxpro? It is 15 watt. I run it with my scorpian. fits in a little bag with teh caller, real handy. seems loud and clear to me.
Carl
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on March 18, 2009, 06:20 AM:
Bofire,
The SP-55 is a good speaker, but I like the TOA better. The only down side to a TOA is that the metal horn clangs like a bell when you bump it on a small tree or something on the way to your stand. I would like to cover my TOA with spray on truck bed liner or something.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 18, 2009, 10:27 AM:
Rich, (dad gum it) if you hold it over your head while rotating, you won't be bumping it on small trees.
KIDS, THESE DAYS!
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on March 18, 2009, 11:28 AM:
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Bofire,
The SP-55 is a good speaker, but I like the TOA better. The only down side to a TOA is that the metal horn clangs like a bell when you bump it on a small tree or something on the way to your stand. I would like to cover my TOA with spray on truck bed liner or something.
Rich
quick cure , split some ruubber tubing and put it around the rim of the horn. no more clang
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on March 18, 2009, 05:05 PM:
"Rich
quick cure , split some rubber tubing and put it around the rim of the horn. no more clang"
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Great tip there Paul, thanks.
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on March 18, 2009, 05:10 PM:
"Rich, (dad gum it) if you hold it over your head while rotating, you won't be bumping it on small trees."
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That is true Leonard, but then again I would rather CALL coyotes than spook em. I heard a rumor awhile back that some guy up north did that, but I didn't believe it for a second.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 18, 2009, 09:26 PM:
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That is true Leonard, but then again I would rather CALL coyotes than spook em. I heard a rumor awhile back that some guy up north did that, but I didn't believe it for a second.
Yes he does and the coyotes still came in..
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 18, 2009, 11:03 PM:
So, it's not true that AR Shaw picked the spots for the stands and "Unknown" set you down where you wouldn't be in the way? (that's one version)
And, coyotes are totally uncallable in Minneesota, right?
Good hunting. LB (just kidding, Tim)
Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on March 19, 2009, 06:39 AM:
Yeah Leonard... totally uncallable.
*LINK*
Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on March 19, 2009, 06:53 AM:
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So, it's not true that AR Shaw picked the spots for the stands and "Unknown" set you down where you wouldn't be in the way? (that's one version)
I'm not sure about that LB, I believe their modus operandi is to force people to hunt with out a license.
Maintain
Oh yeah, just kidding Tim!
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 19, 2009, 10:36 AM:
The Link Jason posted is about Phill S. who lives about 300 miles north of me and he has good coyote numbers up that way and is a good caller.. Phill hunts mostly at night and calls alot of coyotes in but can't seem to finish the deal once they are in..
They have pletty of pups up there every year so i'm sure Jason could even call one in..
[ March 19, 2009, 10:39 AM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on March 19, 2009, 11:01 AM:
Yeah it looks like he has trouble closing the deal- maybe you should give him some pointers. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
For gods sake you're giving Leonard calling advice now... did you suffer a brain injury that we didn't know about?
That thread I linked is simply "about" dead coyotes... not any person or location. It just so happens, most of the succesful callers posting there are from central and southcentral MN and a couple of them are from the northernmost portions of North Dakota. In other words: your back yard. If you look hard enough you'll find a succesful caller that lives within 30 miles of the IP address you use to login to these forums, how can that be? Hmmm!
According to you, your delimma with calling coyotes has never been about numbers. You've shown us truckloads of coyotes killed from the truck window and pushed woodlots. Are we to believe that you live in the wildlife desert of the Midwest while your neighbors are piling up coyotes like this?
The problem with ignorance is, over time- it builds confidence.
EDIT: I forgot we're supposed to dull down our barbed post with smileys.
[ March 19, 2009, 11:07 AM: Message edited by: Jrbhunter ]
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 19, 2009, 11:33 AM:
I was refering to Phill called in and killed stats from last year. This year he is doing a little better.. quote:
Dec 08-March 09
-This season:MN
*Night Sets:36
Yotes called in:12
Yotes killed:5
Fox called in:2
Fox killed:0
*Day time sets:17
Predators called:4
Killed:3
Spot/Stock:2 yotes
It just so happens that most of the pic's are Phill or of a few friends of his. And like i said they live 3 Hrs north of me in the West metro area. Not one of those guys lives with-in a 100 miles of me.. Some of the other pic's are also from North Dakota hunts and one is from a coyote contest held up north where anything goes. (Calling,spot& stalk hunting or drives)
Like i also said they have higher numbers up that way, down here we get a high percetage of kills but we have to put the miles on to do so..
Anyone can go to P.M. and look under the Great white North thread and find most of the pic's you posted and where the hunters are from..
You have been lieing so much you can no longer tell the difference between the two..
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 19, 2009, 12:06 PM:
That last Red is a beauty....
Hey, the guy is trying. Thanks to the WT.
(& waving it around, over his head)
We love ya, Tim!
edit: hey, how come Buker can't kill anything anymore, in Minneesota?
[ March 19, 2009, 12:08 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 19, 2009, 12:12 PM:
Tim, two things that really jar my sensibilities. Using words like "yote" and "song dog", and (in this case) calling a stand, a "set". But, that's just me.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on March 19, 2009, 12:30 PM:
TA17 "We get a high percentage of kills"
Could you elaborate on this, because I've understood you to say that in some upteen years of calling you've NEVER called and killed a coyote in the ENTIRE STATE of Minnessota. What exacly are you eluding too here?
TA17 "Not one of those guys lives with-in a 100 miles of me."
-Incorrect.
Would you like to wadger on how many succesful callers we could find in your uncallable 100 mile radius?
[ March 19, 2009, 12:31 PM: Message edited by: Jrbhunter ]
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 19, 2009, 12:41 PM:
As most members know we hunt them here where i live not call. I've called them in in Mn. and just across the bourder, just not with-in a 60 mile radius of where i live..
Youre circle is a little large for a 100 mile radius but go ahead and show us where all these successfull callers are. Not near me thats for sure..
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 19, 2009, 01:34 PM:
I'll save you the home-work Jason.. I took a poll last year and here are the results from those that particpated. Look under Great White north thread
Min. Pred. callers.
#52745356 - 01/29/08 12:33 PM
http://www.predatormastersforums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=29&Number=52745612&Searchpage=1&Main=52745356&Words=TA17Rem&topic=&Search=true#Post52745612
[ March 19, 2009, 01:38 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on March 20, 2009, 08:06 AM:
Jason, where can I get that icon you use? Thats some funny shit right there...
edit: This is part of the service, Andy
[ March 20, 2009, 09:33 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on March 21, 2009, 09:02 AM:
Hey, I've even killed animals inside that red circle. Fox, pheasants, coyotes, and a ton of pigeons.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 21, 2009, 10:28 AM:
Now that you mention it, me too!
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