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Posted by WyoColoDogger (Member # 3822) on April 29, 2011, 08:36 PM:
Standard Crit'R Call for me, the olive drab open reed, same that Les Johnson uses. It does a mean howl, btw
I'm not an electronic call user, sold the FX3 years ago, just more satisfaction using air instead of electricity.
I wonder what is the ratio here of e-calls vs. hand calls?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 29, 2011, 09:02 PM:
Depends? I'm a die hard contest hunter and the odds favor a combination of electronic and hand calls. I use both, all the time.
GH/LB
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on April 30, 2011, 09:12 AM:
I've only used hand calls, really like the Sceerys. That being said my buddy in NV uses a electronic caller and I can sure see some advantages. I'm sure I'll get one in the future, and use both.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 30, 2011, 10:29 AM:
Hand calls are ok and I use them from time to time but prefer a E-caller most times..
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 30, 2011, 12:06 PM:
Les Johnson is using a Crit'r-Call now??? When I met him a couple of campouts ago he had his own line of calls. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
For the record, I use both electronic and hand calls.........sometimes both at the same time. Depends.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 30, 2011, 12:13 PM:
I've seen his show and the hand call he uses looks a lot like a critter call peewee? His line of calls is called Ruffy Dog, something like that? You never know if you are watching a rerun or new season, so it is possible to see Les use both calls.
GH/LB
edit: koko, have you started hunting? I thought you just liked camping?
Hey, seriously, how's it going? Feeling better, I hope?
[ April 30, 2011, 12:15 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 30, 2011, 12:54 PM:
Different circumstances demand different tools. Handcalls and e-callers are tools to me, as are shotguns versus rifles, as are prey distress versus vocalizations. The setup determines which I use, either by themselves, or in concert.
Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on April 30, 2011, 02:22 PM:
For me, satisfaction comes from success at killing coyotes, and without a doubt, since I've added ecalls to the tool box, my satisfaction and success have gone up in the last couple of years. So for me, both are used.
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 30, 2011, 02:52 PM:
I prefer hand calls, but it sure is nice to flip a switch and kick back sometimes, so yeah, I use both.
Mark
Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 30, 2011, 03:33 PM:
I tuck the lanyards inside my coat so that the remote and the handcalls dont clank together on my way to the stand.
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 30, 2011, 04:03 PM:
I also keep hand calls on a lanyard with my remote. I find both are needed.I started out using hand calls only and really enjoy calling an animal to my location. But there is a lot to be said for puting them where you want them and for thise e- calls cant be beat.
[ April 30, 2011, 04:03 PM: Message edited by: Paul Melching ]
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 30, 2011, 04:40 PM:
Paul;
Doing well; thanks for asking. Ice packs & pain meds working great. The wife seems to be ignoring the silver bell though..........
Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on April 30, 2011, 04:43 PM:
started out years ago with hand calls. 3 years ago i bought a fury _ ( ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Tim A ). have called in tons with it but i also started using hand call a bit more this past year. fav is the crtr call standard
[ April 30, 2011, 04:43 PM: Message edited by: the bearhunter ]
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on April 30, 2011, 05:13 PM:
I started off with hand calls but use e-callers more now.
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on May 02, 2011, 09:11 PM:
The crit'r call standard is a good call, but it wouldn't cut it as a coyote howler.. I use electronic callers from Foxpro, and also mouth blown calls that I make myself.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on May 02, 2011, 09:41 PM:
I use both.Depends on what I'm doing and the situation I'm in on which one I use.There are definite advantages to an E-caller.Especially a good one like my CS-24.
I do use Crit'r calls most of the time.The Pee Wee and the Song dog Jr for distress sounds. But for howling I have made a cow horn that the Song Dog Jr. fits into.Sounds great...
I also use a modified Tally Ho that makes great distress sounds.
All and all for me both are just tools to get a job done.
Good Hunting Chad
[ May 02, 2011, 10:43 PM: Message edited by: UTcaller ]
Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on May 03, 2011, 07:58 AM:
Chad, if ya don't mind my asking, how you modified the Tally-Ho? I like mods ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on May 03, 2011, 08:08 AM:
"Chad, if ya don't mind my asking, how you modified the Tally-Ho?"
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Smithers,
I have modified a few Tally-Ho's for folks who asked. I modify the air channel, steepen the bridge of tone board and install a reed of .014 Mylar. I also drill a hole up front and install a nylon string for a lanyard.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 03, 2011, 08:38 AM:
Yes, I have heard of that conversion. Bonus, you can also use it as a can opener and a spoon.
GH/LB
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on May 03, 2011, 09:27 AM:
Pretty much like Rich said.I found that the original reed to be to thick so it made it more difficult to control the sounds.I just made my own reed from thinner mylar and used a thicker wedge to keep it in place,then added a castrating rubber to keep the reed from moving around.Nothing big but made a big difference for me.
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on May 03, 2011, 03:23 PM:
Very interesting, indeed. I drilled a hole for the lanyard on mine but kinda like the sounds I get outta the thicker reed. 99% of the open reed calls I have use thin Mylar so the thicker stuff gives it a somewhat different sound, not too much, but a bit.
Posted by Cayotaytalker (Member # 1954) on May 03, 2011, 03:59 PM:
I had to hot rod my Tally Ho but only because I lost the part that holds the reed in.I also did the hot rod for my Hot Dog howler as well.I do have the right reeds for the Tally Ho. I have made me some homemade reeds for it.I have made some reeds out of some odd things I find around the house,from coffee can lids to just about any kind of plastic I can find around the house.
But I do like the sound I get from the Tally Ho.
Edit/spell the word kind.
[ May 03, 2011, 04:02 PM: Message edited by: Cayotaytalker ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 03, 2011, 04:20 PM:
I didn't believe it so I ran your post through my spell checker. Guess what? You are correctamundo!
Congrats.
GH/LB
Posted by Cayotaytalker (Member # 1954) on May 03, 2011, 04:54 PM:
LB,or should I just call you warden? I had a f or a t in there and not a k. I have been trying to write a little better post these days.But I,m not so sure I spelled plastic right.
Things here at the ranch have been a bit of a drag. I have not been up to much just trying to get the garage cleaned out. I have to make room for three kawasakies a Honda 50 and two quads.I will go and get three of the kaws tomorrow.
we had one hell of a blow out yard sale to get rid of a lot of our stuff just to make some extra room. And the sale was a big help we sold out.
And by the way I use a e-caller and hand calls,but for me I like the e-caller because by the end of the day out here in the west you get kinda dried out blowing on a hand call all day.
Posted by Cayotaytalker (Member # 1954) on May 03, 2011, 05:02 PM:
LB,it's Tuesday night so I don't watch fox News at 5PM I watch HDNet a show called Dan Rather reports. it's not to hard to watch. i watch the show to get just a little diffrent slant on things.I still try to watch Bill every wednesday night at 5PM.
Posted by Okanagan (Member # 870) on May 08, 2011, 09:56 AM:
Ditto with those who use both, without much thought to anything other than what seems most effective to produce a shot in the circumstances. As said by others, calling is a tool I use in hunting. A purist I ain't.
I do a fair bit of calling with sounds I make with my voice, some of which I have recorded and put on my e-caller. Timing is critical on some of these sounds for some animals and a voice call is quickest (and always legal) when I'm choosing the sound second by second based on body language and action of a moving critter
I've never figured out how to quote a previous post, but sure agree with what Paul Melching said:
"I started out using hand calls only and really enjoy calling an animal to my location. But there is a lot to be said for puting them where you want them and for thise e- calls cant be beat."
[ May 08, 2011, 09:56 AM: Message edited by: Okanagan ]
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on May 08, 2011, 04:10 PM:
I like the e-callers, but use both. I have had the e-caller puke on me too many times not to carry a few hand calls.
I like the howlers too over the e-callers howls. When I really want to pretend that I know "Coyote Speak" I'll use my Elks Howler.
Critter calls and a few Primo's, all open reads.
Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 10, 2011, 12:15 PM:
The four or five hand calls I use most are a Richard Grantham call that is amazing, Cronk Killer Call, which is a do it all call and the Verminators calls, Psycho and Turbo Tweety and a Krusty Krier.
Really, the call that is most versatile and Ii call in most animals with, is probably the Richard Grantham enclosed reed call. Rabbit distress, fox distress, turkey sounds, hawk sounds, pup whines, mouse squeaks, fawn bleats, jackrabbit, chicken... The sounds I can get are seemingly endless... Love the Killer Call as well, it ain't cute but works rain, sun, sleet or snow.
I have a couple new calls on order, right now, that I can't wait to get my hands on
[ June 10, 2011, 12:17 PM: Message edited by: smithers ]
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on June 11, 2011, 07:36 AM:
Make and use my own handcalls.
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on June 11, 2011, 09:42 AM:
I forgot to mention in my previous post, both Cronk and Niko hooked me up with their custom calls, they sound excellent and will be my go to calls this fall.
Thank you both, I appreciate it.. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Posted by JohnLK (Member # 1978) on June 11, 2011, 01:43 PM:
Crit-R-Call and a Dennis Krik howler is all that I use. Still have my first Crit-r-call it is an old white one. It is about 30yrs old.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 11, 2011, 01:47 PM:
They aren't white, any more?
gh/lb
edit: mine is closer to 40 years old, I would recon?
[ June 11, 2011, 01:48 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 11, 2011, 07:39 PM:
I have a few green colored ones and one gray one.
Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 30, 2011, 02:59 PM:
I have a couple Crit'R Calls and thy are green. Back in the "old" days they had more colors
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 30, 2011, 06:30 PM:
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 30, 2011, 08:30 PM:
Are those notches kinda like the old west? Each one represents a kill?
gh....lb
Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on July 01, 2011, 02:03 PM:
I'm just guessing but the notches are a place to put his kisser to get a certain sound consistently. Maybe not, but that's my guess Bottom cottontail, top jackrabbit...
Edit: A PLACE TO PUT THE CONSTRICTION BAND AT! duh... Same idea applies. Bottom cotton, top jack.
[ July 01, 2011, 02:05 PM: Message edited by: smithers ]
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 01, 2011, 03:32 PM:
Yep smithers you win.. Except low pitch and high pitch cotton-tail.. The Reds are a little fussy here to what sounds you use..
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 01, 2011, 06:51 PM:
That wasn't a serious question, but. Isn't that what your teeth are for?
gh....lb
Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on July 01, 2011, 07:29 PM:
I didn't take your post seriously. I was just trying to be right ONCE today. My wife never let's me be right so... I gotta come here and try.
Teeth? No, tooth. Tim's tooth gives it a much cleaner sound than he's looking for. Now, using the lips will make that call just a tinge raspier, which is what the fox in his area like
[ July 01, 2011, 07:33 PM: Message edited by: smithers ]
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 01, 2011, 08:08 PM:
Yes Leonard they'll work to.. Actually I like to find the tone that the animals I'm calling for like and I find this by just useing the band and move it till I find a sweet spot and then mark it with the grooves and then hit the same spot everytime....
Posted by ARDave (Member # 3848) on July 06, 2011, 04:33 PM:
All I use anymore are the TC Diaphragms. Very realistic and hands free.
Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on July 06, 2011, 05:38 PM:
I've heard some really great sounds made using diaphragm calls.
I'm guessing the soft tissues in the mouth and muscle flexing is more like what happens in the vocalizations of a wild critter.
My problem is using a diaphragm call with dentures! LOL I just can't seem to get the sounds right. The ELK type calls seem to be my best option. My favorite calls are still my own enclosed reeds.
Nikonut
[ July 06, 2011, 05:39 PM: Message edited by: Nikonut ]
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