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Topic: A ? About Bullets And Coyote Fur
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Yoteboy
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posted March 25, 2006 06:52 AM
Last season I used 52 gr Berger HP's in my 22-250. They worked pretty good, no really big holes when /if they did exit. But I was wondering about soft point bullets? How are they on coyote fur? Do they leave a big hole on exit? Do they coyotes get up and run after being hit? I guess my question is this : For the guys that shoot lots of coyotes for their fur what's your over all opinion on soft point bullets as a fur/hide bullet? Thanks,
Lindsay Killoh
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UTcaller
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posted March 25, 2006 08:32 AM
I think the best bullet for coyotes that I've shot both in my .22-250 and .223 AI has got to be Sierras 55 grain Gameking SBT(softpoints).Puts them down for the count(bang/flops).Also pretty adequite on fur.Usually exits but only leaves a golfball sized exit.I think it has got to be one of the best bullets made for going through bone too.And has a Pretty good B.C to,I believe it is around .250.FWIW Good Hunting Chad
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Rich
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posted March 25, 2006 09:04 AM
What UTcaller just said.
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Lonny
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posted March 25, 2006 09:22 AM
What UTcaller and Rich said. Give the Sierra 55 grain GK a try.
I've seen this question come up on PM dozens of times and people just don't seem to excited about the ol'1365 Sierra? They want those lightweight shiney .224 bullets with plastic tips that look cool at the range and cost several dollars a box more.
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Greenside
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posted March 25, 2006 09:46 AM
Yoteboy
I have no experience with the Bergers, but my gut feeling is that you probably won't see much of a improvement on fur(or bang flop) by shooting the 1365's. I shot the 1365 for quite a few years before going to the 52 Hornady. One thing about the 1365's is that they shoot good in all my 250s and they are affordable.
Dennis
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TA17Rem
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posted March 25, 2006 09:53 AM
I've been useing the 52 gr sierra in my 22-250 and the 52 gr. A-MAX in my 22-250 ackley, The A-max has a heaveier jacket than the v-max. They both work for me.
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Rich
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posted March 25, 2006 10:22 AM
Yoteboy,
It sounds like the Berger 52 grainers are doing a good job for you. I agree with Greenside. I wouldn't switch unless there is a big price difference. If it ain't broke, no need to fix it.
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Leonard
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posted March 25, 2006 11:08 AM
In that catagory, I have used the 52 Hornady, and Sierra, which are boat tail bullets, but have always had better success with the 53 Hornady HP flat base, for coyotes. Also, the Speer 52 HP is a great coyote bullet.
I have shot a lot of coyotes with the 55 Sierra spitzer, but don't think of it as a minor damage bullet? It's a good one, though; seems to shoot well in any gun I ever tried it in?
My impression of Berger match bullets in that range is that they are lightly constructed, and inconsistant, on the terminal damage. Sometimes zip through, and sometimes blow them to hell.
And, here is the problem. Different velocities, different distances, different (what I like to call) presentations. It's damned near impossible to make a statement on terminal performance of these bullets, withut a number of "exceptions".
Many of you have heard this before, so indulge me for a minute.
The heavier bullets seem better suited, if what you are looking for is consistancy. A 62 grain Berger, at lower velocity, in a 22-250 "should" give more reliable terminal performance.
I always end up sounding like the Elmer Keith of the Internet gurus, but I gravitated to heavier bullets a long time ago.
So many people are fixated on speed, but there are combined factors, good BC, good shock factor, and more reliable exits when you go to a heavier bullet.
But, not too heavy; unless your twist can handle it? This is the advantage of the higher capacity case. Not the ability to drive a light bullet faster; it is the ability to use heavier bullets. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Good hunting. LB
[ March 25, 2006, 11:09 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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Yoteboy
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posted March 25, 2006 11:08 AM
Thanks for all the replies. I just was looking back and reflecting on the last season and was trying to figure out what, if anything, I could change that would be better than what I use already. I love putting up fur and I guess I'm always wondering what's the best stuff to use that puts coyotes down cleanly but also doesn't rip a big hole in them. I think I'll still try some softpoints but my go to bullet will still be the Berger's. I appreciate your replies, thanks. Lindsay
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RedRabbit
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posted March 25, 2006 12:11 PM
Leonard, You sound more Elmer Fudd...LOL. No I agree with you on what you said I know the 22-250 cranks them out faster than my .223 but Ive used them Sierra 55gr varminters on three coyotes that were really close. Two had 22 cal holes in them and the other was hit in the shoulder some fur dammage but not too bad and all had no exits. Big thump and really rolls them in a ball.
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Leonard
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posted March 25, 2006 12:50 PM
Elmer Fudd, eh?
It so happens that my ex-daughterin-law used to call me that, and none too kindly.
If you think some of these guys have been taking shots at you, I wonder what would happen if I wasn't running interference for you, (and I am) over some of your more dumb comments?
One guy wrote me and said he thought you had a learning disability, which I thought was kind of funny. Be that as it may, it does seem that when you have 100 facts before you, you gravitate toward some obscure and insignificant comment that, (for you) cancels out 500 years of wisdom? That's a unique talent. But, no problem, it's all harmless entertainment, as far as I'm concerned....and you seem to take it well?
Good hunting. LB
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RedRabbit
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posted March 25, 2006 04:08 PM
Leonard, I hope you didnt take that to heart I dont know of your relationship with you and your ex-daughterinlaw. I hope you took the Elmer Fudd thing as a joke. I dont care to be thrown into the same basket as your ex-whoevers thats your buisness.
I didn't take 500 yrs of wisdom and throw it out the window I adhere to those fundamental principles I been handlaoding long enough to know that. I was standing my ground as to what happened in that one incident and I can bet that wont be the last "you just had to be there" and I knew it was suicidal to say the least, but I dove head on into it anyway I knew it was going to be a dog pile and I pulled a few rabbit punches. I apologized for some of the rudeness, but I still stand my ground dispite the norm thats just my style. Im a bit flexible of the ballistic rules and if I have to follow a blood trail once in awhile, or sew up a fur, thats my prerogative. I appreciate your running interference for me, but as you could tell I wasn't doing it without knowing the risk you could of easily played "King Hell Dictator" in that shitiation.
Your a knoledgable and fair man Leonard I recognize that. Thanks for putting up with it, or me.
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greasewood
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posted March 30, 2006 09:41 AM
I was wondering if the same bullet that you would load for a coyote, would be too much for a bobcat?
The fur damage on a coyote is a lot easier to accept, than on a bobcat (at least out here).
GW
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Rich
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posted March 30, 2006 09:56 AM
greasewood,
I shot a nice bobcat with a .22-.250 at about 30 yards. No fur damage at all. I should have made a record of which bullet I was using at the time. The cat was angling toward me though, and bullet had to travel quite a long ways to make it through the cat. No exit. I was lucky. If I was expecting bobcats to show up, I would go with a good strong bullet out of a .223. Some of the stuff I shoot out of my .25-06 for coyotes would throw bobcat parts clean over into the next zip code. Now that would be downright criminal.
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UTcaller
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posted March 30, 2006 10:52 AM
If I am going to target specifically Bobcats,I usually take my .221 Fireball and shoot Sierra 45 grain SP at around 2900-3000 fps.Most shots I take at cats will be in the 0-150 yard range because of the terrain I call in,so this caliber/bullet combination works good.
Although I wouldn't hesitate to shoot a cat with my .204 ruger with 35 grain bergers,they're running about 3900 fps out of the muzzle.
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Leonard
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posted March 30, 2006 01:10 PM
I may have mentioned this before? A 65 grain Starke out of my 22-250 AI zips right on through a cat, no blowing up on the surface, inside or exiting.
I have never understood the wishful thinking that plans on a centerfire bullet always staying inside an animal the size of 25 pound bobcat? Rather than the light frangible bullet, I like a little more weight, and deal with what I know will be two holes, and a very dead animal.
Good hunting. LB
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greasewood
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posted April 01, 2006 10:31 PM
LB,
Assuming my Remington 22-250 has a 1-14 twist, should I try the 62 gr Berger (they recommend a 1-12 twist)?
Or should I stick to 50ish gr bullets?
GW
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Leonard
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posted April 02, 2006 12:13 AM
I have had decent luck with the 52 SpeerHP and the Hornady 53 flat base match. The 55 Nosler BT is a good one. I'd stay away from any VMax if you are saving hides.
Good hunting. LB
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