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Bofire
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posted September 23, 2007 08:29 AM
I am thinking about setting one of my 11-87's. I have a couple questions:
Do the cantilever scope mount barrels work good?
Does buckshot work well out of a rifled barrel?
Is there a better scope mount system?
Doo you like low power shotgun scopes or Reddot types?
thanks
CarlD
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Leonard
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posted September 23, 2007 09:18 AM
I don't know the answer, but I have a 11-87SP that I have been thinking of putting an EOtech laser on it, for coyotes.
Good hunting. LB
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Norm
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posted September 23, 2007 09:54 AM
your shots are going to be 0 to 30 /40 yds... why would you need a scope?? would you use a scope for duck hunting?
I am not sure of shooting shot out of a rifled barrel, but I expect it will work, I would also expect to loose the rifling in the barrel.
I think of shotguns as upclose and personal action, thus the coyote will most likely be on the move, and most likely you will have the time to point and shoot, not much aiming...
Good luck in your modifications.
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Bofire
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posted September 23, 2007 10:41 AM
Norm, I have seen some shotguns lately that shoot very well with slugs at 100 yards or more. I was thinking since I have 3 11-87's and an 870 that setting one up like this might be fun. I also thought it might be a great Turkey or Coyote gun with heavy shot or buck shot, Hence I ask about the shot in a rifled barrel.
thanks for your input
Carl
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Norm
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posted September 23, 2007 10:48 AM
if you are thinking of shooting slugs, absolutely. for deer a scope on a slug gun with rifled barrel is great. and yes... 75 - 100yds is no longer uncommon.
For turkey, I also agree with a scoped shotgun. you are shooting big pellets at a very small target so any help is wonderful...
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JD
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posted September 23, 2007 01:05 PM
100yds for a rifled slug gun is childs play but shooting any sort of shot through a rifled barrel is going to be counter productive. The shot will be forced to spread out as it leaves the barrel.
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TA17Rem
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posted September 23, 2007 01:09 PM
The rifled barrel dose'nt have a choke on the end , so you will have no shot pattern. For most coyotes a shotgun with just sites works the best. If you plan on hunting deer with it a 4 or 6X works nice and the aimpoints work well with it also..
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Leonard
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posted September 23, 2007 02:08 PM
What do you mean by "sites" Tim? The front and mid bead on most shotguns? Good point about the rifled barrel not having a choke. Might deform some pellets, as well?
I actually like the idea of rifle sights on a smoothbore barrel for certain applications. Or, as I said previously, the EOtech....about which, I misspoke, it's not a laser, it's a holographic projection.
Good hunting. LB
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Krustyklimber
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posted September 23, 2007 03:15 PM
Carl,
For game hunting, and longer shots, I'd rather have low power magnification, and crosshairs.
For more active shooting, like predators, I'd rather have a red-dot. Target acquisition is almost instant, and tracking a moving object seems a lot easier with the dot.
Adding a second bead is worth mentioning too. Having two points to line a barrel up is always better than having a single one.
If you plan on "switch barreling" an action, so that you can use a choked barrel for shot, and a rifled barrel for slugs, a saddle type scope mount will allow you to do both with a scope.
If you want to spray shot without a scope, a cantilevered scope mount directly on the rifled barrel is the way to go.
JD called it, the centrifugal force created by the rifling would blow out your shot pattern... the bigger the shot, the bigger the blowout.
TA,
The cylinder bored barrel on my Mossberg patterns both buck shot, and bird shot, very well.
It patterns heavy conventional slugs consistently high.
With the slow muzzle velocity, and huge recoil, I am knocked backwards raising the point of aim before the slug leaves the barrel.
Therein lies the real beauty of a rifled slug barrel, and sabot slugs.
You can shoot a much lighter "bullet", and get it going way faster, with a much more stable flight attitude.
Leonard,
I can see big advantages in the holographic sights for a pistol application, because of the way the point of aim follows any misalignment between your line of sight and the line of bore.
But with a fairly constant line of sight provided by the more familiar mount of a long gun, I can't see where they hugely outshine a red-dot sight in that application.
If I weren't stuck with a scout scope position, an illuminated reticle scope seems like it has a little of everything good.
And would make an excellent all around choice.
I have tried red-dots, laser pointers, and holo-sights, and to my mind's eye they all look like the same thing (once locked in on a target).
There's a red dot, on the target.
Some have a crappy "flare" of a dot, and others a crisp clean see through circle of light, but they all trick my mind into seeing the dot "out there".
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R.Shaw
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posted September 23, 2007 09:50 PM
In my opinion, the use of a sight of any kind on a shotgun is defeating the purpose. The only exception would be slugs.
A shotgun is intended to be pointed, not aimed. The barrel/rib should be a blur and the target should be in clear focus. I am talking about close-quater moving targets. The whole reason for choosing a shotgun in the first place.
Randy
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Tim Behle
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posted September 23, 2007 11:20 PM
Well said Randy, I never could figure out why people would put sights or a scope on on a shotgun shooting shot.
Look at your target, bring the gun up and pull. Aiming a shotgun is a waste of time.
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Kokopelli
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posted September 24, 2007 01:18 AM
Memo to Randy & Tim;
"Uh........Not exactly."
I have adjustable sights (front blade / rear notch) on my Mossberg pump. Note the adjustable part. The gun has a very full choke & likes copper plated lead BB. Without sights, the gun tends to pattern the shot high resulting in catching the coyote with just the edge of the pattern. Also, without sights, I have been known to not get my head down onto the stock, the better to see the great shot that I'm about to not make. The sights force me to aim properly. To each there own.....
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R.Shaw
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posted September 24, 2007 05:39 AM
If you are not getting your head down on the stock, more than likely this is the reason the gun shoots high. It doesn't fit and you need more drop at the heel.
Most autos and pumps shoot 50/50. Meaning half the pattern goes above the target and half below.Some o/u shotguns come from the factory 75/25. These are designed to shoot rising targets such as pheasants, quail, or trap. This allows the shooter to pull the trigger while still seeing the target and not have to cover it up with the end of the barrel.Sort of a built-in lead. In my opinion, a gun that shoots 50/50 is best suited for predator hunting.
But I agree. To each his own.
Randy
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Kokopelli
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posted September 24, 2007 06:20 AM
No, this one shoots high all by itself. Something that I discovered at the range patterning different loads off of the bench. My sometimes poor shooting form is another matter.
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Tim Behle
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posted September 24, 2007 09:44 AM
Kokopelli,
My 10 GA hits about a foot low with #4 buck, I just make make sure to point it at the eyes and ears of a coyote, to hit him in the neck and chest.
It takes ( me ) too long to aim a shotgun and a running coyote in tight brush.
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Kokopelli
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posted September 24, 2007 12:13 PM
Interesting stuff!!
Tim, my Mossberg fits me pretty well so it's usually pointed at the target when I bring it up. Then it's just a matter of confirming the aim with the sights and boom / flop.
The gun doesn't miss.....I do.
Note; Before anybody gets the idea that shotguns are more trouble than they're worth from all of the above, let me say this; At the right time & place, a properly set up shotgun is an awesome tool.
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TA17Rem
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posted September 24, 2007 04:48 PM
I just happen to have a shotgun set up just for coyotes and fox. Its a Ithica model 37 feather weight, i shoot 2 3/4 BB's in it. The shot gun has a short rib installed with a glow site mounted on the end of barrel. Should the need ever arise i have one on hand.. LOL http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f208/TA17Rem/IMG_0227.jpg[/IMG]] 
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posted September 24, 2007 06:39 PM
Looks like a great "keep under your mattress shotgun!!!" I'd love one just like it! I wouldn't need the sight though. I'd be shooting it from the hip! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Bofire
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posted September 24, 2007 08:20 PM
Beleive it or not fellers I shot a shot gun a time ot two before.
The idea of delivering a 1 ounce slug accurately at 75-100 yards is awesome.
If the thing would center a load of buckshot or heavey shot also, whoopee!!
But alas it is apparently not to be. From the answers I get this.
Buy a B square saddle mount, I think an aim point scope, mabbe not. Buy a slug rifled barrel for slugs and use regular ole barrel for shot.
In some game reserve type places "restricted to shotguns only" slugs are legal!! A 100 yard shotgun!!!hmmmmmm just an idea. I already got a 8 shot, 18 inch, 870, fer a house gun.
Carl
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Fuzz
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posted September 25, 2007 12:34 PM
I Have a Benelli and I use a red filtered tactical light on the side of the barrel and it works fine for me. I shoot #2 or 4's and the have proven lethal (100%) DRT within 15 yards of where shot, Max range was 30 yards, E-full choke... 40-50 pound Curs, smaller Coyote, Frontal Shots on all...Good Luck! Fuzz
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posted October 22, 2007 05:57 PM
I have a Mossberg 835 that I bought for turkey hunting. This gun patterns so tightly that I decided to put an Aimpoint on it. I'm kicking around buying some coyote hevi-shot and trying it on coyotes here in Florida, since centerfire rifles are not allowed during small-game season.
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posted October 22, 2007 07:35 PM
Tims got the same idea as me concerning shotguns and I spent a week in "training" this summer for the same reason. I had already shot enough trap to know that you don't really aim a shotgun. Keep your head up, both eyes open and point and shoot. Focus on the target, not the bead. The results are amazing and fast.
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