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TOM64
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posted April 27, 2011 01:20 PM
Leonard have you been drinking or have I?
If the above post was to me, my velocities are over a chronograph, my 22-250 is a plain vanilla 22-250 and yes a longer barrel would be in store if a new tube is screwed on.
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Leonard
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posted April 27, 2011 01:33 PM
No, I don't drink, but I stand corrected, it was Jim that said he uses a formula to estimate his velocity.
Oh, I may have a margarita with my combo plate, but I'm not much of a drinker.
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TOM64
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posted April 27, 2011 01:36 PM
Good, I was worried about myself.
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posted April 27, 2011 01:41 PM
I always like H-414 too, same load as a matter of fact, 44 grains, although I settled on the Nosler 50 bt for my rifle. Admittedly, I had cut that particular barrel down to 20 inches, so with 55 grain bullets, I couldn't wring 4K out of the shorter tube, but the 50's had me right there.
Way to much gun for what I do now, and my hunting style, but at least I got to play with one....it's a lotta gun, thats for sure.
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posted April 27, 2011 01:52 PM
Hey Tom, If I was sneaking around fields/pastures,etc., trying to put the "drop" on unsuspecting Coyotes, where I could range it, adjust the elevation and go. Brother, I'd be all over that. That stuff takes time, time is a luxury when bringing them in to the call.
Leonard, looking forward to see what we come up with, for powder here. Hopefully, not something that's temperature sensitive? Like ball powders?
Certainly in the Fall and sometimes in Winter, it can be below freezing and hit 80+ degrees all in one day.
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jimanaz
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posted April 27, 2011 02:26 PM
Huh? I don't use 50gr bullets on coyotes. And I haven't mentioned anything about my 250AI because I don't have it wrung out yet. Every time I think about going to shoot it the damn wind is blowing. It's a 26", 8 twist.
I believe that was Tom you were addressing.
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Note to self...always go to the end before typing a reply. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Second edit:
I don't always estimate velocity, just mostly for my short barreled AR cuz of its range limitations.
[ April 27, 2011, 02:33 PM: Message edited by: jimanaz ]
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Leonard
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posted April 27, 2011 02:30 PM
Okay, I'm going to stop using names.
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posted April 27, 2011 04:20 PM
BTW, me and cuzz started out 55 gr Nosler Ballistic Tips in our 22-250's several years ago. One of us tried the 50's and up until this year we both liked them better, killing wise and accuracy wise, out of several guns. I tried the 40 and even the new 60's but always came back to the 50's.
Cuzz even tried 50 and 55 V-max's and Sierras Blitz kings of both weights. It ain't like the 55's have escaped me all this time.
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Leonard
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posted April 27, 2011 07:24 PM
What a relief!
edit: But I cannot agree that 50 grain bullets are the best choice for coyotes.
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posted April 27, 2011 07:52 PM
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But I cannot agree that 50 grain bullets are the best choice for coyotes.
They do make a great second choice..
I have used the Calhoon 42 gr. and 52 gr. double H.P.'s and they work well enough in cartridges that run a little short in vel. like the 221 f.b. does and would be a better choice for a 223 calling rifle..
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Leonard
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posted April 27, 2011 09:30 PM
Yeah, well. The 62 Bergers I have are MEF, just because.
All I know is there must be a lot of cripples dying in the bushes, in Oklahoma?
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(just kidding, just kidding)
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posted April 28, 2011 05:09 AM
I'm going to add to the controversy and agree with Tom. I have been playing with lots of turrets the last couple years and I like em! I have the Leica binos with range finder in them and it is pretty quick and painless to dial it and kill it. I do get the turrets custom for the gun and load I'm shooting so I'm not counting clicks. I just dial the yardage and fire.
Sorry Leonard. I know we rarely disagree.
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knockemdown
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posted April 28, 2011 06:21 AM
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Fred, to take your argument to a ridiculous length, fill the case with a double base powder and a heavy bullet, if "pressure" alone is what produces velocity. I'm not even sure what your point is, but finding the correct powder, based on burn rate is what we try to do.
Yep. Just sayin' that you can't gain velocity without also increasing case pressure. No free lunch available...
Jimzy, take that 1:8 AI out and shoot it in the wind!!!
Check these #s out from Exbal
.224 bullet ballistic comparison
200yd zero, 1.5" scope height
62gr Berger MEF @ 3950fps
dist______drop_____wind
300-------1.50-----2.75
400-------3.25-----4.00
500-------5.75-----5.25
600-------8.75-----7.00
52gr Nosler Btip @ 4200fps
dist______drop______wind
300-------1.25------2.75
400-------3.00------3.75
500-------5.00------5.00
600-------7.75------6.50
75gr Amax @ 3650fps
dist______drop______wind
300-------1.25------1.50
400-------3.00------2.25
500-------5.00------3.00
600-------7.00------3.50
interesting?
EDIT: values are in MOA
[ April 28, 2011, 07:27 AM: Message edited by: knockemdown ]
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Kelly Jackson
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posted April 28, 2011 07:17 AM
Jim - looks like you "jest" need to make sure that coyote is standing broadside at 600.
My guess is an ant-lope would be safe....lol
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jimanaz
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posted April 28, 2011 09:04 AM
You're killing me KJ. Thanks for the reminder.
You're right Fred, it's hard not to get inspired by looking at those numbers. Forecast for tomorrow is for wind from 13 to 35 MPH. Guess it'll gimme a chance to mess with that ballistics calculator app I put on my phone, lol. The wheels are in motion.
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Leonard
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posted April 28, 2011 09:49 AM
There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. That's all I have to say.
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TOM64
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posted April 28, 2011 10:07 AM
It's an okie conspiracy...
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Leonard
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posted April 28, 2011 11:32 AM
Forgiven, Cal.
I understand your situation, I have been to WY in the past. But, for what I do, target turrets seem to snag on stuff and I don't have time to fuck with them anyway. I guess it's a personal preference thing, but on a calling rifle, I don't like them big knobs and wouldn't use them anyway.
I will just take my chances with a little bit of guestimate based on experience and familiarity with what's in my hands, at the time. Modesty prevents me from elaborating as to how effective it has been.
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Leonard
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posted April 29, 2011 09:34 AM
I know you guys are dying for an update.
Yesterday, correction, Wednesday, I finished depriming and sizing about 250 Middlested cases.
Then, my Alzheimer's faded for a brief period and I remembered that Dan wanted a "fired case".
I had about twenty rounds loaded that came with it so I drove up the hill for the sole purpose of firing one shot down in the canyon. By 2 o'clock I had the Wilson die and the fired case packaged and mailed off. He did mention that he had stuff to do in May, hopefully, that is late May and he can get this seater back to me before the freeze.
Now, a trip to U.S. Optics is in order, I removed the existing B&L 3200 which is suitable for squirrels. When I get that taken care of, if I don't see that Middlested seater soon, I may switch barrels? I'm good to go for 22-250AI.
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posted April 29, 2011 10:24 AM
US Optics? Now you're toying with us, they don't even make a scope without turrets do they?
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Leonard
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posted April 29, 2011 11:50 AM
I don't know, but it has everything else? I'm not thrilled with the honeycomb stuff up front, and we got an eleven position lighted reticle. I have to admit, that BIG thingy on top is a SERIOUS turret. But you have to twist the objective to dial in parallax. Yes, you got me. It has many bells and whistles to play with. But, they don't stick out that much, like a sore thumb.
Where's Waldo?
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posted April 29, 2011 02:39 PM
I took out the 243WSSM yesterday evening. Now I got a machine gun spittin out 55gr NBT just over 4000. More testing to do. Gotta be ready. Plus I kinda like jackin with stuff.
Now how in the heck is the BC of a 243 55gr NBT better than a 224 55gr NBT?
Just eyeballin, they are close to the same OAL, the 243 may have just a hair longer boatail.
Tom - what you going to shoot next month at the Okie get together?
Stay after them
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Leonard
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posted April 29, 2011 02:51 PM
You are correct, insofar as it seems to be illogical? 4,000 is quite a big number. Wow! Must be the cool mountain air? This is out of a machine gun, right? You remind me of Dan, (the man) money is noooo object.
What happened? Did my invite get lost in the mail, or what?
GH/LB
edit: rereading, it IS a machine gun. How about that?
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posted April 29, 2011 03:13 PM
All ya are welcome. We eat, BS awhile and then kill paper eggs at 100, 200 and 300 yards.
Yesterday was great here. 75 no wind. Today 80 something and 40 plus wind.
Dan built this upper, wasn't that much.
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Leonard
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posted April 29, 2011 03:23 PM
Oh yeah, I know what not that much means to you Big Oil Men.
Well, my rings are on backorder! Two weeks! The troops come first. I understand that.
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