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Topic: If you could have only one coyote rifle..
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Krustyklimber
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posted August 03, 2008 06:37 PM
Right now, I do only have one (functional) rifle, my .308 carbine, and, while it made the last coyote really dead, it's not a great fur harvester...
But, I just got off the phone with my 'smith. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
I'm having a designated coyote rifle built. (whooo hooo!) ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
It'll be a Mauser '98, carbine, in .243 AI.
I've got a Lilja med-heavy bbl (which will be cut down to 16"), and a bantam stock, coming, while the action is being blueprinted, and the bolt "worked"... it should have a very stubby OAL of about 33".
Sort of a way overboard, over-bored, Coyote Gods rifle?
Krusty 
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3 Toes
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posted August 04, 2008 06:31 AM
Vic is right, I have lost my mind! 500 and 600 yard coyotes are not the norm here by any means. But I do shoot quite a few at 300 to 400 in the summertime around dens. Generally the first coyote is close and sometimes both are with the dogs, but fairly regularly out of two or three old ones on a den, you shoot one or two and the second or third leaves, then comes back in a little while to check things out and since it knows what happened there a little while ago they will hang up out there at a few hundred. It is really a necessity for me to be able to kill those coyotes. Also sometimes I get into situations of having a highly educated coyote that I really need dead and I may only get one chance at him and it may be 3 or 4 hundred. I pack my rangefinder at all times and usually a rifle that is up to the task. I know my situation and country are different than most.
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UTcaller
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posted August 04, 2008 07:37 AM
I can see your point 3 Toes.You have a job to do.And you need problem coyotes dead.If I were in that situation I would go for a larger caliber with a higher B.C bullet too. For me as just a Rec. caller and Part time fur harvester,I can limit small caliber shots to the 300 yard range,and if I have one hang up out at 400-500 yards,I can try calling from a different direction,or try a different day.If I don't get him no big deal,there are plenty more out there that will come to the call.Like Scott(Wiley E) said a while back "it is alot harder to call THE coyote than A coyote".Very true indeed.
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Az-Hunter
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posted August 04, 2008 07:53 AM
UT is right Cal, and I trust you took no offense at my post. You have a job to do, and I often forget that most of us are doing this for the sheer fun and enjoyment of it.
I'll very rarely take a swag at a 300 yard coyote, any further than that, like UT, I'll hopefully catch it another day or from another stand. It's pure pleasure for me when Im out coyote hunting,and like you made the point of mentioning, I don't have to kill it, and you do.
I can't wait to sit around the camp this year, and tell some lies with you around the fire pit, was pleased to hear your going to make it down.
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coyote whacker
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posted August 04, 2008 03:06 PM
For what it is worth Wiley aka Scott H is shooting a .243 as well! He bought his and then I bought mine and the results are great! before that we both shot our issued 22-250's and for the most part they did the job well, but I have found the 6mm to do it better and deader, not to mention when needed for longer kills the confidance in that 80 grain bullet. The only draw back is a bit more recoil.
Not to mention the load I have is fur friendly although that is not my concern, it work out to be very fur friendly even on those thin summer coyotes.
After talking with another co worker who shoots alot, the next gun may be a 6mm Norma BR as you can obtain decent velocity,great accuracy, longer barrel life and reload around 250 rounds off of 1 LB of powder! Will be awhile before the wife allows another gun in the home though LOL!
Also my 25-06 is another better and deader gun, the problem is even more recoil and seeing even less through the scope, I still use it on occasion but makes a dandy goat/deer gun. If I didn't shoot my 4x4 WT last year at 466 yards then he would have been gone due to lack of cover to get closer.
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onecoyote
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posted August 04, 2008 04:04 PM
Onecoyote rifle? I can't go wrong....A 225 Win? Emm maybe a 224 WM? How about a 19 Zipper? Awww the heck with it, I'll just pick a side by side 22-250/220swift.
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Az-Hunter
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posted August 04, 2008 08:13 PM
There ya go wacker, you found "the one" for you I guess. Thats the beauty of having so many calibers and rifle manufacturers out there, a flavor for everyone.
It's all about what suits a guy for his purpose and style of hunting. If I toted a .243 out to a stand, Id feel like I had a cannon in my hands, just way to much gun for what I do,and how I do it.
A 500 yard shot on a coyote is just outside the realm of the way I hunt/call them. Ive shot exactly one at close to that range(464) with my .17 rem,and I can't brag, it was a lot of guess-timate, which in turn means blind assed luck, but I did in fact kill it. Certainly didn't tip it over, I liver shot it. A liver shot coyote from whatever you hit it with always does a short death sprint,but at that range, with so little poop left, it of course went 30 or 40 yards before falling down.
If you need to shoot coyotes out past "Fort Mudge", then Im in full agreement, a .17 anything isn't the rifle to be carrying. Conversely, if your calling coyotes on my kind of stands, and in my backyard, you sure don't need a .243 or .25-06 or any other kind of shoulder cannon, so the .17s and .19s and hornets work extremely well.
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coyote whacker
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posted August 05, 2008 02:59 PM
As I posted I don't see why people who hunt open windy country would use such small caliber rifles?
Use what your terrain dictaits! End of the line for me on this thread good day and good hunting off to Iowa and the NTA!
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SURESHOT
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posted August 06, 2008 10:31 PM
My favorite today is my 6.8 cartridge necked down to 22. 50 grain nosler , 31 grains powder =4,ooofps.
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Rich Higgins
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posted August 07, 2008 06:51 AM
Sureshot, what rifle is that wildcat chambered in?
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SURESHOT
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posted August 07, 2008 12:27 PM
rich its chambered on a ar15 upper 20inch barrel and it is a tack driver. about the same recoil as my 204 upper.
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Leonard
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posted August 07, 2008 01:15 PM
Welcome to the New Huntmastersbbs.com, sureshot. Glad to have you on board. You have been around a long time before posting.
I think Higgins wants to know the original cartridge used in the wildcat you are describing, not what sort of gun you have it chambered for?
Good hunting. LB
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Kelly Jackson
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posted August 10, 2008 10:35 AM
6.8 necked down to 22 - I knew it was only a matter of time before somebody had an upper made.
Who did yours?
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DanS
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posted August 10, 2008 11:43 AM
I'm pretty sure you can get the 6.8 SPC in a factory Rem 700. I've been thinking of another wildcat off that cartridge myself, but am trying to stay away from wildcats for now.
I'm going to assume you meant "One cartridge" since that appears to be the way this thread is running.
I have used 6mm's down to the 17 M4. I tend to always come back to the 17 Rem. as my favorite for what I do.
Every once in a while I'll call in a fox or bobcat, so the 17 generally works well all around for me.
If you meant "One Rifle" I'd probably go with a Rem 700.
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Leonard
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posted August 10, 2008 11:57 AM
Interesting observation. The question is a little vague, but I see it as a package, hard to "have only one coyote rifle" without it being chambered in something or other?
So, that's easy, Dan banks on a Remington 700 in 17 Rem.
Hard to beat a Model 700. It doesn't cover enough possibilities chambered in 17, for my application?
Good hunting. LB
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RedRabbit
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posted October 15, 2008 01:23 AM
The .17 Rem and other small callibers still speak for them selves just look at this board and Geez! lets not mention why the hell are they still making them and touting them as coyote rifles. I chose this rifle because of its flat trajectory and the rifle I bought lended itself to accurizing quite well and it certainly lives up to that lightning fast kills that you can see through the scope.
Wind drift? 100 yrds it stays plenty stable for "calling" even with a stiff wind I wouldnt hesitate even at 300 for that matter, but for real long range work thats a different case no matter what your shooting, but who has time to consult a balistic table anyway when the momment is at hand, sure maybe you do, but who the wants to especially when the coyotes the same color as the sagebrush and the snow you can lose them at that distance as soon as you take your eyes off them.
Shit Hell! Ill take a long risky poke if the conditions are right, since I take running shots anyway at 100 yarders.
.17 Rem is all I have for a predator rifle right now and I dont feel handicapped one bit, so get that .204 you'll be in like Flynn and proud like the rest of us small calliber predator hunters.
P.S. use the heavier bullets, since they dont construct light bullets very well. Take it from me I have experienced this and its not pretty.
edited; for spelling
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6mm284
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posted October 22, 2008 03:49 AM
Put my new 204 on a coyote at 90 yds and watched the bullet splash on his shoulder right before he ran off seemingly untouched.. 39 gr blitzkings.. back to my6 284.
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Rich
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posted October 22, 2008 05:11 AM
"Put my new 204 on a coyote at 90 yds and watched the bullet splash on his shoulder right before he ran off seemingly untouched.. 39 gr blitzkings.. back to my6 284."
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I have spoken many times on the use of varmint bullets for coyotes. I don't know why I keep beating my head against the wall like this, but why in the hell do people keep using those Blitz Kings, SX, and other prairie dog bullets on coyotes? Surface splash with those bullets is gonna happen when you shoot em out of the needle guns. I have even seen it happen with the .223 Remington when shooting 50-52 grain varmint bullets. Most of the time it is poor bullet choice and a poor hit that causes lost coyotes. Choosing a strongly constructed bullet can make a very big difference. Full metal jackets are bad news also. Choose a bullet that is designed for the job, and you will be a much happier coyote hunter.
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If you call the coyotes in close, you won't NEED a high dollar range finder.
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Dave Allen
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posted October 22, 2008 03:12 PM
Good advice Rich.
Varmint bullet's are just that,Coyote's aren't varmint's.
You see thread's across the internet what's the best coyote bullet..V-Max or Blitzking. Nobody want's to talk hollow point's or soft point's.
Sorry if i'm bitter ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Mert Bargenquast
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posted October 24, 2008 06:10 AM
I have used about all of the smaller calibers and I think if I had to chose one it would be a 22-250 AI. I like a little bit heavier than a standard weight factory barrel with a 2 pound trigger pull. I might add that the Sierra 55gr. SBT bullets work really good on coyotes.
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Rich
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posted October 24, 2008 09:39 AM
"I have used about all of the smaller calibers and I think if I had to chose one it would be a 22-250 AI. I like a little bit heavier than a standard weight factory barrel with a 2 pound trigger pull. I might add that the Sierra 55gr. SBT bullets work really good on coyotes."
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Mert is correct. What you want is Sierra's "Gameking" bullet, not the "varminter".
.224 dia. 55 gr. SBT GameKing 1365
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Leonard
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posted October 24, 2008 10:52 AM
I have to admit, he sounds like he knows what he is talking about? For all around performance on coyotes, it is very hard to beat a 22-250Ackley....especially with the heavier bullets.
Good hunting. LB
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6mm284
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posted October 25, 2008 05:43 AM
Rich, I was not surprised by the bk performance on that coyotes shoulder,well aware of that possibilty,, however it was the only bullet I had available to me on that trip.But not the only rifle.I should have slid back a little on the body and he would have went down.Was just trying something different. I have dropped then dead in their tracks at 200 yds running with the same bullet. .Sometimes you have to shoot what you got and not your first choice.Don't bother to beat you head against the wall on my account,I am well aware of what I do in this game . Besides you might ruin that great head of hair you have, wish I had some of it.Hope to see you again sometime.
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Rich
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posted October 25, 2008 01:35 PM
6mm284,
I know what you mean, and I do the same thing quite often. Since I don't skin em anymore, dead is good enough for me. I have some 85 grain Combined technologies "ballistic silver tips" loaded up for my .257 Ackley that zip along at over 3600 fps, and they likely won't be fur friendly. I also have a couple of boxes of 55 grainers for my .243 that are gonna splash now and then. I am guilty of doing those things even though I know it won't set a good example for the squeamish crowd. "Hell with them coyotes, the buzzards gotta eat, same as worms".
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6mm284
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posted October 26, 2008 04:38 AM
Rich When I travel to call with my hunting partner , we are not able to keep the coyotes as he is a WS employee and that is forbidden.Have a WS aquaintance in CA that shoots some varmint grenades out of a 243.They have to use them in the condor range as lead bullets are banned. He says the grenades are hard on coyotes and I would think could splash.. The attractive thing about them he says is that they are an extremely accurate bullet.. some of the best he has ever used.And since he has alot of time and interest in working up his loads he may be right.. I was in CA a couple of months ago and was going to pass some time calling not realizing the lead ban had been passed for all hunting in the condor range.. Apparently some anti fed a condor a lead bullet and blamed it on lead in carion.So I am going to have to spend some time building a non lead load. Your 257 ackley would have to be in the tops for my choices of long range coyote getters.What an efficient round.
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