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Topic: .22-.243 Middlestead?
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TOM64
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posted April 29, 2011 03:45 PM
Kelly, I'll bring my 17 and 18" machine guns, the 18" Noveske put up a pretty good group at 300 last year but I haven't played with the new scopes much.
I'll also bring the 308 to play with but it's not a hunting gun so I'll shoot an AR in the comp. The 250 is without a scope unless Leupold gets it back to me quick enough.
I ordered a box of 55 NBT's last night (to keep on ElBee's good side) but it ain't right that the 243 should be dumpier but it ain't. Kinda like my 155 Scenars have a better BC than the 168 A-max or 175 SMK... just ain't right.
Leonard, I was thinking about a post a few years ago, when I was hard headed enough to think short(er) range guns were all that was needed for a calling rifle. Then "unknown" and Shaw reminded me that it doesn't hurt to be versatile, those sniper rigs can be shot up close too...
Now tell the truth, did you order any 75 A-max's yet?
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TOM64
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posted April 29, 2011 03:48 PM
Forgot, Kelly sorry I had to cut it short the other night, the wife was fixing to start cooking if I didn't get around and take them to dinner.
Couldn't have that, could we.
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knockemdown
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posted April 29, 2011 04:10 PM
The USO EREK elevation turret doesn't 'stick out' too badly at all, Leonard...
What size rings ya need (tube dia. & height)?
I've got a couple sets in the box that might could work, if ya don't feel like waiting on backorders...
KJ, what powder gave you 4K w/ the 55s?
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Leonard
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posted April 29, 2011 04:20 PM
Well, they can't say for sure, but it's one of the two shortest rings, and neither are in stock. What you got? You don't by chance have a picatinny rail for a M700, do you?
GH/LB
edit: it's a 30mmtube, if that's what you mean? 37mm objective.
[ April 29, 2011, 04:22 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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knockemdown
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posted April 29, 2011 04:45 PM
The USO in the pic is a 37mm objective.
In 30mm, I've got:
Seekins Precision lows (.82")
Nightforce UL (titanium alloy) in medium (1.00" and HIGH (1.125")
Sorry, no base pic rail though.
Got a long ride this evening, I'll try reaching out on the way.
happy weekend!
[ April 29, 2011, 04:45 PM: Message edited by: knockemdown ]
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Kelly Jackson
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posted April 29, 2011 05:47 PM
BL-C2. Went till a case stuck and backed off 1/2 grain. Was just under max published load.
Got very little deviation with this powder.
Groups show promise for a machine gun.
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Leonard
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posted April 29, 2011 06:36 PM
I thought Dan claims his AR's shoot better than a bolt gun?
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Kelly Jackson
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posted April 29, 2011 07:13 PM
ask him IF he will build you a WSSM.
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posted April 29, 2011 08:28 PM
My vote is for the 22-250AI
All the gun you need for coyotes plus did the job very well during a recent hog hunt in Texas
My buds like to laugh but the standard 25-06 is the supreme predator caliber. No run offs here in Colo when Bessie talks
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Leonard
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posted April 29, 2011 08:57 PM
You have discriminating taste, Wyo. I just acquired a second 22-250Ackley. A better all around coyote chambering has yet to be discovered. Unless it's my 25'06Ackley.
I swear, I have never lost a cripple with either one, but you need a good bullet, as well. If I had to choose one, and only one, it would probably be the 22-250Ackley.
GH/LB
PS that's a fact, never lost a cripple with either cartridge. Oh, I had a couple that scared me, but they were heart shot that ran dead.
edit: Kelly, I'd be afraid to ask.
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posted April 30, 2011 07:02 PM
The WSSM, Hum, yep.
I don't think any respectable manufacturer is still making them.
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posted April 30, 2011 08:47 PM
That would be the impression I get, as far as a successful product line. First, there was no vast need and the whole concept left me underwhelmed, from the get go.
Might be suitable in one of those break open encore things?
Good hunting. El Bee
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TOM64
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posted April 30, 2011 08:59 PM
Hey Dan, you ain't got one of them VLD machine gun mags laying around do you?
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Dan Carey
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posted May 01, 2011 08:47 PM
I don't.
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Leonard
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posted May 02, 2011 09:38 AM
Okay, man of few words; what exactly is the reason why reputable manufacturers will not be making any WSSM chamberings?
I'm serious, I don't know. Maybe you do, what's your opinion?
GH/LB
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posted May 02, 2011 12:51 PM
Brief synopsis of Dan's view of the .243 WSSM caliber:
Brass is junk, therefore, accuracy is junk, therefore, he won't build one for anybody but Kelly.
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Leonard
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posted May 02, 2011 02:04 PM
I suppose it would be too much trouble to modify a different, but similar case?
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posted May 02, 2011 02:24 PM
Would think a 6x47 Lapua or 6mm BR wouldbe a better choice...
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Leonard
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posted May 02, 2011 03:09 PM
Sure, there are always choices, some better than others, but what was the thinking behind these WSSM turkeys, in the first place? Anybody playing with some calipers and a blank piece of paper can come up with something different. What made this idea go forward?
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TOM64
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posted May 02, 2011 03:10 PM
Brass and accuracy junk? Don't nobody tell cuzz that, he keeps reloading his 223WSSM cases he's had from the beginning.
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Leonard
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posted May 02, 2011 03:17 PM
Better he find out now. He was probably satisfied? Nothing like knowing you can't get parts when you eventually will need them.
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Kelly Jackson
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posted May 03, 2011 07:35 AM
I think they started them to go fast and be accurate from a short action rifle.
Thus the short fatty case.
Have shot and owned them all.
The 223WSSM bolt gun currantly in the safe is faster with the same bullet than the 22-250 sitting there, and almost as accurate. You would never know the diffenace in the two shooting off sticks.
The 25 WSSM uppers where very picky about the powder, bullet and primer used.
It is a wicked round in a AR-15 platform.
The 243WSSM is as fast or faster than the 243 bolt gun I am shooting that has a 2" longer barrel. Not as acccurate, but will do fine on a calling stand.
My thoughts are the WSSM will live as an AR15 cartridge. In bolt guns there are standard cartridges that will do the same thing.
The short fatty's are cool looking though.
The cartridge other than the WSSM is a 6.8SPC necked down to 6MM = 6WOA.
6WOA does not shine with light 6MM bullets, but get to the mids and it is short of the standard 243 only by 200-300 FPS (low end of 6BR vel) and has the felt recoil like that of a 223.
At 300 or less it is pretty hard to beat as a coyote killer at all angles.
Stay after them
Kelly
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Leonard
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posted May 03, 2011 08:01 AM
Thanks for that report, Kelly. Interesting.
I'm still underwhelmed.
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Kelly Jackson
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posted May 03, 2011 08:06 AM
as you should be LB.
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UTcaller
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posted May 03, 2011 09:47 AM
I think I'm just about ready to bite the bullet and have my Remington 700 rebarreled to .22-250 AI.I've been wanting to do it for quite a while now,but the damn thing(plain jane .22-250) just keeps shooting straight.lol But it's got to be about shot out,never kept records but it's got to have a few thousand rounds through it.Been shooting it for damn near 25 years.
Think I might send it off to get done later this summer. I'm thinking .22-250 AI 25" shilen stainless match sporter barrel with a 1-12 twist.
Good Hunting Chad
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