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Posted by Hustler (Member # 550) on February 02, 2005, 05:06 PM:
I am trying to get some personal preferences between the .223 bullet and the .22-250. I have sot a Ruger #1 SS BB in .22-250. It has never let me down, but I am purchasing a Howa varminter BB with a thumbhole stock. A little bit of opinion as to which caliber would be better would be appreciated. Thank You
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 02, 2005, 06:48 PM:
Welcome to the New Huntmasters, Hustler. Great movie, eh? I'm rather fond of a game of straight pool, eight ball, nine ball, etc. (looked at your profile) Anyway, Glad to have you on board.
I'm really glad you ask the question you did. Although a man can get by with a 223, it is my personal opinion that coyote medicine starts with a 22-250 Remington. I understand the desire to acquire something different, (been there) but a 223 will have limitations, depending on the type of country you hunt.
I'm sure others may feel exactly the opposite, and that's fine. I cordially invite them to weigh in on the question. Please convince us both.
Good hunting. LB
edit: what's meant by BB? Bull barrel?
[ February 02, 2005, 06:49 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by GUTPILE (Member # 448) on February 02, 2005, 07:05 PM:
I've got both calibers. I'd say 22-250 because where I live it's very open to very timbered. Just dependes on what you like. 223 ammo is cheaper to buy than the 22-250. I don't reload so I buy a couple hundred rounds at a time for each.
Good luck.
[ February 02, 2005, 07:06 PM: Message edited by: GUTPILE ]
Posted by tneff (Member # 551) on February 02, 2005, 07:10 PM:
I think alot of the thinking in the decision is in the area you hunt , where we are at a 250+ yard shot is very uncommon . The majority of shots fired are in the 100 yard range and 150-175 being a long shot . Wichita Falls has alot more open landscape than we have as do alot of others . We recently purchased a 22-250 and are still working the bugs out with it , we use our Ruger 243's more than anything .
Posted by Hustler (Member # 550) on February 05, 2005, 02:44 PM:
Thanks for the input, I appreciate the info. Around here we shoot coyotes from 50 feet to around three hundred yards. My longest shot was six hundred yards and I think the coyote jumped in front of it(ha ha). Anyway I am going to go with what I trust and buy the 22-250.
Ps. BB is bull barrel or Heavy barrel.
Now I just got to get out there and try it out.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 05, 2005, 08:56 PM:
The way I look at it, a 22-250 can do anything a 223 can do. But a 223 can't do everything a 22-250 can do. It's a little cheaper to shoot, but in a hunting gun, that's a minor part of the cost, the ammunition. Accuracy is a tossup. In a prairie dog gun, the 223 will last longer. But, it will take you fifteen years to shoot out a 22-250 barrel, hunting coyotes.
I'm sure you will never regret your choice.
Good hunting. LB
[ February 05, 2005, 08:57 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Buck (Member # 579) on February 20, 2005, 04:28 PM:
I was recently trying to decide myself on this question. Out to 225-250yds the .223 will do the job with less recoil, less noise, barrell wear etc. I like to keep my shots clean as possible and therefore do not take long shots, so the .223 was my choice.
Buck
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 20, 2005, 05:36 PM:
I asked this same question two years ago after being an avid and devout .223 man for many years. I listened to someone that felt that no .22 centerfire was capable of anchoring a coyote and added a .25-06 to my gun cabinet. Never did like the prospect of firing that thing at anything smaller than a coyote, and coyotes made me wince. I found a great deal on a .22-250 and I'll shoot one until I die. I never had the enjoyment of that unmistakable meat report that you get with a decent hit from the 22-250 when shooting a .223 and I don't really miss NOT seeing the coyote flip, flop, and spin after the hit while everyone waits for the trauma to take effect. Sure, there are guys that can split hairs with the .223 and anchor every coyote they draw crosshairs on. I ain't one of them and have no bones about admitting it. But, I've killed all but two of the coyotes I drew down on this year with that 22-250 and the recoil wasn't bad enough that I lost sight of the hit in the scope. As far as cost, I found my ammo online and am spending roughly 3 cents more per round than a similar round in .223. Finally, I got tired of watching coyote roll and run off. Give me the choice between running one down or sewing up a hole and I'm a tailor, man.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 21, 2005, 09:58 AM:
Lance, there are many differing opinions on exactly what caliber is the best for any situation, and it reminds me of something. Just about ANY caliber can be made to work, and work quite well.
WE don't have to hold out for a 25'06 or a 223, or even a sub-caliber. Repeat. They all work.
Essentially, our arguments that we NEED this or that new gun, are bogus....and, Mrs. Homman, Miss Joyce, don't let these guys tell you any different. Buy them golf balls; by the dozen.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 21, 2005, 02:17 PM:
Traitor
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on February 21, 2005, 02:50 PM:
You sure are sucking up awful hard. Is Nancy still pissed about you showing up a day late and not even calling home on your anniversary?
I'm thinking you need to take her back to Hawaii for a couple of more weeks. Have you bought her any diamonds lately?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 21, 2005, 03:09 PM:
Yes, I'm a traitor, technically. Anyway, it's time you learned to cut them out of the loop.
Tim, who told you about that little mistake? I bet I can guess.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 21, 2005, 04:37 PM:
quote:
Essentially, our arguments that we NEED this or that new gun, are bogus....and, Mrs. Homman, Miss Joyce, don't let these guys tell you any different. Buy them golf balls; by the dozen.
Good hunting. LB
And now, to show the wide range of services available to HM membership, the following transmitted via email.
"Dear webmaster"
Tim showed me a post on a thread that you referred to the wives. I instantly had a response, but after having Tim compose it for me from the kitchen, he said "no" and took the security of "Reply To Thread" off, so please, on my behalf post my response:
If I were able to sell just half of Tim's guns, I could purchase enough golf balls to fill the Pacific Ocean.
thank you in advance.
Joyce
Posted by Todd Woodall (Member # 439) on February 21, 2005, 09:23 PM:
Leonard,
I am right with you on the .223 vs. 22-250 argument. I started with a .223 and had some success, then I switched to the 250 and never looked back. You just cant argue with the performance of this round. Under 200 the .223 does well but past that I dont feel comfortable with it. I was thinking about getting an AR in mossy oak camo, instead I just sent the old 250 off for a face lift. Looks pretty good too. I will have to post you some pics. I think it even shoots better ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
.
Take Care,
Todd
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on February 22, 2005, 04:53 AM:
Would you guys believe, I don't even own a .223 anymore? Gave away the last .223 barrel I had a couple months ago.
- DAA
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 22, 2005, 08:38 AM:
Tim snuck me an email this morning in which he offers his version of the truth, and now I just don't know "who" to believe? ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
I was just thinking, though. Take DAA. Now, he really DOES have more guns than God. When he needs a new gun, I wonder what his secret is?
Hey Dave, exactly how do you get the little woman on board? (as a public service)
Good hunting. LB
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on February 22, 2005, 09:01 AM:
Simple. I don't tell her. They all look pretty much alike to her. So when she asks (which is often), I just tell her it's one I've had a long time. Even tell her she has shot it before, doesn't she remember?
Only exceptions, are wild paint jobs, or otherwise just really different looking rigs. Those cost me double.
- DAA
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 22, 2005, 10:07 AM:
Man, I am so relieved! I just got out of the shower and was thinking....what if Dave takes offense, rather than understanding that I'm only good naturedly kidding him; and (I admit) a bit of jealously.
However, that's the same method I use! She's getting a lot more attentive, though? Don't know how much longer I can get away with it?
Still, I am no where near the point where I give away barrels.
Seriously, Dave. I consider the 223 an almost perfect squirrel caliber. Not exotic, by any means, but for sheer volume, bang for the buck, etc. Seems hard to beat on those 800 shot days?
Good hunting. LB
(thanks for being a good sport)
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 22, 2005, 10:39 AM:
Patrick F. McManus, an American icon if ever there was one, had an article where he would buy a new gun, then disassemble it and throw it in a greasy old cardboard box that he would take home and tell some cock-and-bull story to his wife about how he bought this box of spare gun parts at an auction. Never tried it on my wife before, but I could see it working. Of course, maybe just once. How many times can you pick up a box of spare parts and assemble a new looking rifle from all that junk with nothing left over when you're done? She may have been dumb enough to marry the likes of me, but that doesn't mean she's stupid.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 22, 2005, 11:43 AM:
Calling all wives, calling all wives! ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
They really do think we fall for their stories? Here is a suggestion, take a picture of what they have so if something mysterious shows up, you will know better. I have been fed these same lines but if you are like me you just act like you believe them. We all know men NEVER grow up!
Mrs. LB
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on February 22, 2005, 11:52 AM:
For a high volume rifle, the .223 really IS hard to beat. Right now, I'm using a .221 and a couple .22BR's for that kind of stuff. But for a lot of high volume loading, cheap once fired .223 brass is the way to go, no doubt.
I still have my dies, and a ton of prepped brass, so it won't be hard to come up with an excuse for another .223 eventually.
- DAA
Posted by Miss Joyce (Member # 584) on February 22, 2005, 12:50 PM:
Mrs. LB
Tried to take the picture, but the wide angle lens is not quite wide enough. Tim bought "another" new gun about 2 weeks ago and I was wondering why he is still hanging onto that empty box. Now it goes to the trash before another one mysteriously turns up.
Miss Joyce
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 22, 2005, 03:04 PM:
Welcome to the New Huntmasters, Miss Joyce. Glad to have you on board!
If I hear about any new gear, I will (for sure) let you know..... yeah, right! The weaker sex must stick together; 'cause it's not a fair fight. Tim, the empty box trick never did work very well.
I know one thing; seems like I can't keep a damned thing secret from (you know who?). Can't give up, and give in, though.
But, it's tough. I can't afford diamonds.
Good hunting. LB
edit: GROW UP? what's up with that?
[ February 22, 2005, 03:05 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Buck (Member # 579) on February 22, 2005, 03:59 PM:
Hey, Cdog, nice to hear from a McManus fan. You Pat always had a few gun parts left over after he reassembled it!
I'm new to this site, and like it a lot. I'm new to yote hunting and have already learned a great deal from you guys.
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on February 22, 2005, 05:32 PM:
Leonard,
That last one was my own fault. I took her with me when I bought that new .243 Win. I bought the rifle with the pocket change I had been saving for the last few years.
A few days later, I got a bonus at work. It came in to be more than 5X what I expected. So I used part of it to buy a new Taurus Revolver in 17 HMR for a trap line gun. Unfortunately for my sake, I was so excited to go try it out when I got home, I took it out of the box and left the box on the bed while I went to go check traps.
I came back to find her holding the box and asking why I needed to buy two guns in a week's time. I tried to explain that the 243 was too big for a trapline gun, and the 17 HMR too small for a calling gun. But she doesn't understand enough about firearms to know what I'm talking about.
Nancy,
Did Leonard ever tell you that I bought Joyce a new pair of earrings that had a diamond for every year we've been married? It's been a couple of years, but we have an anniversary coming up, I may have to do it again. I've always heard a good wife can never have too many diamonds, or too much gold, and I believe it, don't you?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 22, 2005, 06:10 PM:
It's the same old story, Tim.
The first one I heard was why do I need two guns? Then it was; why do I need two rifles, or two pistols or two shotguns?
This later changed to: "why do you NEED ANOTHER gun?"
If anyone has a good answer for that one....I'm all ears!
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 22, 2005, 06:29 PM:
Hey Leonard,
If your wife does away with all your guns, you can always use that knife Tim just stick between your shoulder blades for killing them if you can get them in that close.
Just remember what Ron White says, "Diamonds... That'll shut 'er up!"
(Edited because I haven't posted anything for a month without 1 or more typos. Damn!)
[ February 22, 2005, 06:30 PM: Message edited by: Cdog911 ]
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on February 22, 2005, 06:44 PM:
Cdog911,
You forgot part of Ron's line. "Diamonds... That'll shut 'er up!..... for a little while"
And don't tell me about a knife, I didn't open this can of worms. I just don't like to catch hell and be lonely at the same time!
One of these days, I'm going to have to take her to some of the other callers on this baord's homes and show the wife what a real gun collection looks like. I've a long way to go!
BTW, Leonard, I noticed on the first page you finally admitted that the "Sub-calibers" work. Have you bought one of your own yet?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 22, 2005, 07:15 PM:
Have I broken the faith? No, my guns have to meet certain minimum utilitarian purpose.
...as opposed to bows and arrows, yeah a subcaliber works to a limited extent. Hey, if you are happy, I'm happy.
Good hunting. LB
PS, if I did buy one, I'm not sure I'd admit it? ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Posted by Jack Roberts (Member # 13) on February 22, 2005, 09:34 PM:
I feel sorry for you guys, or very lucky for myself, not sure which.
My wife encourages me to buy more than what I want, within reason of course, can't bust the budget.
Jack
Posted by Doggitter (Member # 489) on February 23, 2005, 06:32 PM:
Jack, that is NOT what a lot of us want to hear!
Posted by Bofire (Member # 221) on March 07, 2005, 08:28 AM:
I happen to have 22/250 and 223, and love them both. Use them for different stuff. my 250 shoots 55 gr. real fast and flat and wears a 4.5-14 Leupold. It is my "go to" all round predator gun, for cats on down. My 223 wears a 3-9 leupold and I love it, 45 grain Win. Wally world ammo goes into 3/8 inch. groups. great rifle, quiet, fun, reduced loads will be tried next.
the 223 will kill yotes at extreme range if you can shoot it, my personal longest with 223 was about 450 yds. had to hold more than a whole coyote high, but it just dropped, hit in the shoulder. yup I have two wittnesses.
I dont ask or tell my wife about new guns, I just buy them. besides it is my duty to help my Brother keep his gun store in the black!!
Carl
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