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Posted by Thomas (Member # 482) on February 10, 2005, 05:32 PM:
Bought a new 700adl 223 trigger, had 9 lbs pull took it to a gun smith set it at 3 lbs took it to have sighted in,, using hp wolf ammo shoot groups at 1 " at a hundred yds. he went and bought soft ammo and it would not fire the primer just make a dent in it.
Also bought a 22-250 a buddy set that trigger with soft nose it shoots groups 1/4 "also on the 223 the bolt is hard to close with a round in it
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on February 10, 2005, 05:39 PM:
Try cleaning out the chamber. Sounds like you might have something in there. Are there dents in the brass?
It could be bad primers, but I'm thinking it's more likely the shoulder has been pushed back to far. Try again with different brass.
Posted by GUTPILE (Member # 448) on February 10, 2005, 06:53 PM:
Heard bad things about Wolf ammo. They have a coating of some sort (lacquer) that screws firing up. Coats the inside of the barrel rifiling. I buy bulk 223 fmj from www.impactguns.com I shoot it through my AR-15 and my 700BDL with no problems. It's made by HSM out of Montana. $100 for 500 rnds or so.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 10, 2005, 08:41 PM:
I'm not very clear on a couple points, but I'll give a stab at it.
First, when you say the ammo dents the primer but didn't fire, it sounds like excessive headspace, and since that cartridge headspaces on the shoulder, the firing pin is only moving the cartridge ahead, in the chamber.
Then, if the bolt is hard to close, that could be too short a throat and perhaps the bullet is being shoved into the rifling? Bullet not seated deep enough would do the same thing.
Other than that, your post isn't perfectly clear to me, I don't understand what the 22-250 has to do with a 223 problem?
I'm not sure, but I think that Wolf ammo is cheap Russian stuff and either the bullet or the case is steel? If it's what I'm thinking of, it's banned from our local range because of causing a brush fire.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Jack Roberts (Member # 13) on February 10, 2005, 09:28 PM:
GIGO
Jack
Posted by Thomas (Member # 482) on February 11, 2005, 04:36 AM:
Leonard I have two rifles 223 and a 22-250 bought at the same time, gun smith fixed the 223 trigger buddy fixed the trigger on the 22-250 when you fire the 223 it only makes a dent in the primer [not wolf ammo ] lead nose, will not fire now.I have taken the bolt apart, might not got it tight enough,if you send it back they will charge to for a new trigger, I heard,
Jack what is gigo
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 11, 2005, 08:10 AM:
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Leonard I have two rifles 223 and a 22-250 bought at the same time, gun smith fixed the 223 trigger buddy fixed the trigger on the 22-250 when you fire the 223 it only makes a dent in the primer [not wolf ammo ] lead nose, will not fire now.I have taken the bolt apart, might not got it tight enough,if you send it back they will charge to for a new trigger, I heard,
Jack what is gigo
Oh boy. It sounds like you are saying that a friend worked on one of your guns (the 22-250) and you took the 223 to a gunsmith.
I'm assuming that you never tried to fire the 223 until it was returned from the gunsmith, and the purpose was for trigger work?
Yet, you say: "will not fire, now"
Is this because you were attempting to cure the dented primed problem, and took the bolt apart and now it won't fire at all, because you may have assembled it incorrectly?
As far as your next question: if you send the rifle back to Remington, and you have altered the trigger, will they replace it and charge you for a new one? I have heard that said, but I don't know if it's true?
I was in bed last night before I figured out Jack's cryptic and brief message. I think he meant "Garbage in Garbage out"?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by GUTPILE (Member # 448) on February 11, 2005, 06:48 PM:
Huh ?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 11, 2005, 07:46 PM:
GIGO is an antiquated term from the dark ages of computers, and perhaps he means that the quality of the things we employ, determines the results? Jack?
Posted by Jack Roberts (Member # 13) on February 11, 2005, 09:54 PM:
GIGO
The inputted information was insufficient to get a good output.
There are many people here who can do a pretty good job of diagnosing rifle problems, but we require accurate descriptions of those problems.
Good Input=Good Output
Garbage in=Garbage out
I am not picking on Thomas, just trying to point out that without the details, we can only guess.
Jack
Posted by Thomas (Member # 482) on February 12, 2005, 02:02 PM:
went to day where the guy was sighting in my rifle [223 that wouldn't fire] we found out that I had took the bolt apart and not put it back correctly it was loose [bolt] he turned it a complete round and lined it up and it works perfect.I was told by a gun smith to take the bolt apart every time I shoot it I have found out that is not true. thank you guys very much.
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