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Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on May 14, 2006, 08:45 AM:
Here's my new toy... Savage Mod12 Low Profile in 22-250 with a Leupold 4X12X40 VarXII on top. It sure is pretty, hope it kills like my other Savage.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 14, 2006, 09:04 AM:
Yeah, nice looking rig, but there is something odd; the bolt handle seems to be on the wrong side? ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
We could start a thread about sun shades on a calling rifle. I personally see no advantage and a couple of disadvantages. The look is attractive, though, not denying that.
How's that trigger? LB
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on May 14, 2006, 09:10 AM:
Very nice!! I bet it will shoot. Every Savage I have ever had would. Dont like the feel, but they will shoot....
A bit heavy for my liking for a calling rifle. I know alot of folks like em just like you do. I lean toward a light, short barreled, fast handling outfit myself.
To each his own. Thats a nice rifle though...
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on May 14, 2006, 09:11 AM:
Leonard,
On the subject of shades, and as follow up to my post of same some time back, I've been looking at doing a piece on these and other firearm adjuncts. Talking with Q one night some time back, he gave me some dandy ideas on how to accomplsih the same "fix" without the extended tube issues. Anyway, e-mail me your thoughts so I can do some follow up on those issues. Pluses and minuses both.
Jrb -
That's a nice looking rig. Do you shoot from the wrong side, too?
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on May 14, 2006, 10:43 AM:
Good lookin' rig for sitting under an umbrella on a table pokin' at P-dogs, but way to much of everything for coyote hunting? Wrong stock configuration, to much glass,to heavy a barrel....just to big all around.
Is it for ground hogs,crows etc? or is that the rifle you call with?
Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on May 14, 2006, 10:47 AM:
Thanks guys, can't wait to get it out to a range. All the pretty bells and whistles will go away come September, the sunshade and silver finishes are meant for those long sunny summer days on the range with a few buddies. When it's time to hit the field with this rifle I will be dressing it over somehow in camo--- paint/tape or skins? The weight will be easier to handle in my new environment... what I call the FATLANDS of Indiana. I carried a featherweight model for five years in the hills and mountains of Southern State and couldn't justify any extra weight.
Funny you mention the left hand bolt... according to BassPro, Gander Mountain, Jacks Guns, Kieslers Firearms and a few local shops there are no left handed model 12s available in the United States. I found a little gun dealer in Southern Indiana that made phone calls until he located what is supposedly THE ONLY new left handed Model 12. Honestly, I was nervous about ordering it after all those other companies told me they were non-existant!! I'm happy now though, just need to get it on the range.
Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on May 14, 2006, 10:55 AM:
Thanks for laying the gosphel on us AZ but this is my new coyote rig. Sounds like this gun wouldn't work for you at all... good thing I bought it for me. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 14, 2006, 02:08 PM:
That's telling him, jr!
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on May 14, 2006, 03:29 PM:
Jason
The old man is just jealous as hell. Old Vic is a southpaw too.
He'd drooling over that rifle, he will just never admit it in public to some damned kid.
Does it have the new Accu-trigger?
How do you like it?
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on May 14, 2006, 03:30 PM:
Fine looking rig JRB. It should work well when calling on the flat lands. I like the sun shade as well helps keep the snow and dust off the glass. good shooting and shoot safe.
Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on May 14, 2006, 04:18 PM:
Tim (TA17) I'm going to look into those flip-ups to help me out with the snow/rain. I was always annoyed by the moisture residue on my other rifles and found myself rubbing it off with my coat tail or whatever fabric was handy. I don't want to keep that habit with this new rig, hope those flip-ups are a practical solution?
Tim (Behle) the Accu-trigger is awesome. It's a fine crisp trigger that came at 2.5 pounds and I really like it. The left handed models did not offer the oversized bolt handle, but all other features like accutrigger match the right handed Model 12's. I also like the weight... when you drop these crosshairs down on an object that sucker SITS there. Of course after about 8-10 seconds the weight starts to work against you, but it has a very stable feel when you shoulder it. It's especially nice once you put it down on the bipod, it takes all those weaves and wobbles out for me.
It's absolutely killing me to have this rifle and not be able to shoot it... new job and home are keeping me busy and keeping me in the CITY which is a new suck*** concept for me. For now I'm limited to opening the back doors and secretly taking aim at ducks and geese on the lake from the seclusion of my sofa. Hopefully I'll find the time and place to finally chamber a round this week... It's gonna feel like prom night all over again.
Posted by scruffy (Member # 725) on May 16, 2006, 07:10 AM:
When I'm not sure if a left handed version of a gun model is made I look at the manufacturers website. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Maybe it's an Indiana thing, but I've seen Savage model 12's in lefthand on the shelves here. Not many mind you, but a few.
I handled one, a buddy had one, but because of the heavy heavy heavy weight and long length I went with the left handed model 11. At around 6.5lbs in the box, shorter 22" barrel, it made a better calling rifle for me. But then I typically walk between 3/4 and 1 mile for each stand I make (walking from the truck to center of the 1 mile sections to call and then back to truck).
If I wasn't doing so much walking I would have considered the 12 series much more. I know a few people using them in 223 and 22-250 for calling rifles and they all comment how rock steady they are on a bipod or shooting sticks.
So it sounds like you got a good rig for the way you hunt. If I had a gun that "pretty" I'd probably look at the beartooth covers. Maybe a realtree hardwoods snow for when there's snow on the ground and mossy oak breakup for the rest of the year.
The only bad think about the beartooth buttstock covers are the shell holders on only on the right side of the stock which doesn't work... But the stitches are easy to remove and the shell holders come right off, leaving the camo cover.
later,
scruffy
[ May 16, 2006, 07:29 AM: Message edited by: scruffy ]
Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on May 16, 2006, 09:52 AM:
Nobody was unsure it was manufactured scruffy... only that it was available. I guess the fact they are ricked on shelves in BFE Iowa explains why large retailers can no longer allocate them.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 16, 2006, 10:45 AM:
Nothing constructive to add here, but I will admit two things. A Model 110 Savage 22-250 (action only) was the first centerfire I ever owned, and never fired, of course. I used to stop by and put $20 on that action every payday until I brought it home. While screwing around searching semi-inletted stocks and not knowing what I was doing, I thought better of the whole deal, returned it and got a 270W Santa Barbara Mauser complete rifle, instead. So, I've never owned a Savage, however, I always wanted a Model 99, for some reason?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by scruffy (Member # 725) on May 16, 2006, 11:00 AM:
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I guess the fact they are ricked on shelves in BFE Iowa explains why large retailers can no longer allocate them.
Yea, it's a conspiracy... A few redneck Iowa country fans got together and gobbled up all of the left handed model 12 rifles in circulation so the southpaw Indiana Dixie Chix lovers wouldn't have any 12lb calling rifles. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
later,
scruffy
Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on May 16, 2006, 12:23 PM:
It is funny how different parts of the country have different perspectives on what a coyote rifle is. If I were in the brush, I would have a 20" barrel in a light little pipsqueek rifle. But I'm not, so I am a fan of 24 to 26" barrels in a medium contour (#5 or so) and a lot of glass. I shot a straight 10X for a long time and now run variables of 4 to 16 or 6 to 24. I have no problems with coyotes from 20 yds to 400yds and generally leave my scopes on 10 or 12X all the time. I pick them up and point them and magically the coyote is right there in the scope. A nice heavy rifle that doesn't jump much and I can watch a coyote crumple in is just right, and they sit well and are steadier in shooting sticks also. That is another difference in parts of the country. I never shoot offhand, always with sticks. I just can't get steady enough to feel confident and comfortable at a 200 yard coyote without sticks.
Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on May 16, 2006, 07:01 PM:
Damn it feels good to read that Cal. I will take it a little step further and say the extra magnification helps me focus on the task at hand when it comes crunch time at 200+. Like most eastern coyote guys (That I know) I am not a super rifleman so all that extra fur in the scope helps me put them on the ground. Aim small- miss small, I'd rather spend a few extra milliseconds finding him in the field of view than watch him bounding in with crosshairs wobbling 5' out either side.
I still have a featherweight model for the thick stuff, but with my recent relocation I find shot distances typically ranging from 100-250 instead of 40-150. If I lose coyotes this fall it won't be because of the zoom or weight of my rifle, it will be my itchy trigger finger and sub-par long range ability. Down south when you get him in the crosshairs it's time to shoot (limited sight distance) but up here it could still be a few minutes before that perfect shot presents itself. Problem is, I have little patience... and I can't stand waiting.
Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on May 18, 2006, 11:49 AM:
It shoots great... MOA out of the box and two sets of adjustments put it in the bullseye at 100 yards. 40 rounds down so far, want to have 100 through it by Memorial Day so I can start working on load data.
Accutrigger is SWEET... glass is nice and clear too!
Posted by sparkyibewlocal440 (Member # 397) on May 18, 2006, 09:09 PM:
I'm with Cal too.I Alway's use sticks unless I've got one that won't stop and is about to run me over.The scope shade does a fine job of keeping the dust of the glass,less reason to have to touch that high dollar lens coating.
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on May 18, 2006, 09:16 PM:
Sounds like a shooter JRB. Congrats.
Every Savage I have ever owned has been a shooter. My smithy says they have the best factory bbls on the market. I believe it. I just cant get past the blocky feel. And, the ones I have had, needed immediate trigger attention.
Never messed with the new accutrigger. Sounds like your gettin along fine with it. Is it easy to adjust?
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