The New Huntmastersbbs!: anybody have any experience?

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 03, 2008, 11:01 PM:

http://www.gsgroup.co.za/02hv.html

Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 03, 2008, 11:26 PM:

I see that they are a solid copper bullet. I tried some solid copper builts in a 17 cal. once and could not get them to shoot. Found out that not all barrels have the exact same dia. and with this being the case, the bullet shot in some barrels just rattled out of the end with no accuacy what so ever. the company no longer makes them.. I see these bullets have ribb's on them and maybe this eliminates the problem of getting a tight barrel seal. Looks like they might be the right bullet for that chance in a life time ELK..

Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on February 04, 2008, 03:37 AM:

Are you planning another trip to Africa?

GS makes good bullets, but they are designed for thick skinned large game.

If you are planning a coyote hunt, save your money and buy some Military surplus FMJ. You will get the same results.

Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on February 05, 2008, 09:02 AM:

No experience, or even second hand reports.

But after a quick browse of their website, I don't see anything too much different than the Barnes TSX? Unless I just missed something big.

- DAA

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 05, 2008, 09:40 AM:

No, they do look a lot alike, except for the radical radius on the base.

But thanks for mentioning Barnes. I stumbled across the banded solids, which I didn't know about? I like the concept for moderate range cats? Anybody know?

Good hunting. LB

Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on February 05, 2008, 12:41 PM:

I bet the TSX would be great for close in cats.

Again though, no first hand experience. But do have a lot of second hand reports. A buddy has killed quite a few deer and coyotes with the 53 gr. TSX and he says it does exactly as advertised.

I've been wishing Barnes would make a .20 caliber, 37 or 38 gr. TSX. I think it would be Hell-on-wheels for us shooting big boomer .20's.

- DAA

Posted by tlbradford (Member # 1232) on February 05, 2008, 01:40 PM:

I heard a rumor a while back that Barnes would probably never set up tooling for the .20 caliber. Something about the cost of the tools to machine an accurate copper bullet, that is that small, would be too great.

Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on February 06, 2008, 07:27 AM:

I doubt they would ever make a .20 cal TSX. Market for it is just too small.

Barnes does make .20 caliber bullets, though.

- DAA

Posted by claimbuster (Member # 904) on February 16, 2008, 04:46 PM:

All the shooters in CA will get a chance at the all copper bullets!

[Frown]

Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 16, 2008, 10:00 PM:

I looked long and hard at these, when I first started looking for ultra-light projectiles for my .308, and went so far as to e-mail some questions (which were promptly answered).

And if I'm understanding it correctly these are not "like" the Barnes offerings.

These vary mainly in that they are much softer alloy than the other solid copper-alloy projectiles.
In the FAQ's they go on to explain how their bullets don't retain 100% of the weight, because the petals break off, and the soft "flatnose" bullet that is left then mushrooms to (or beyond) the standard "double caliber" expansion of more traditional bullets.

"The HV is only a HV in flight, after an inch or so of penetration, it becomes a FN..."

By dumping the petals, approx. 20% of the overall weight, you also dump a larger portion of energy in the initial hit.

If a bullet is solid enough to retain the petals, like the Barnes, it's frontal area only increases by about 50%, far beneath the standard doubling.
This causes it to carry more of it's energy with it, possibly all the way through smaller game, and also creates a smaller wound channel.

By ending in a more traditional mushroom shape, these shouldn't be too bad on fur, as compared to more frangible projectiles (that do exit).
And it's possible, the smaller calibers bullets they do offer could be "caught" by a coyote sized animal.

I like everything about these bullets, and the philosophy of the guy running the show... except the cost and hassle of getting them to me.

They've stepped aside from the other companies that have sold monolithic non-lead projectiles, to take their own path, and did so based on solid science and real world results.

I don't expect them to function at all like a FMJ, or a Barnes (X-Bullet or TSX).

TA,

You could always come out here... we have your chance in a lifetime, every season, with over the counter elk tags (even for non-residents).

I'm definitely going to have to figure out a good elk bullet between now and the late hunt... my dad just announced he bought us (Me, Red, Dad, and our buddy Stephen) a guided ranch hunt for the upcoming season.

"The Last Hoorah!"

Dragging his big doe out of the woods this last fall, my dad realized he doesn't have many seasons left in him, and wants us all to go on a "big deal" hunt, before he's done.

We'll be sleeping in a Lodge, and eating meals cooked by someone else, and riding in somebody else's pick-em-up truck... [Eek!]

I was too choked up, by the offer, to tell him how wrong I think all that is. [Smile]

Krusty

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