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Byron South
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posted September 06, 2005 12:18 AM
Good reading Leonard.
I'd vote for Andy.
By the way have you seen the General they sent to NO. He's telling them how the "cow ate the cabbage", kicking ass and taking names. I would love to hear his opinion of the NO major.
I feel for those people down there that were just hard working day to day people, but NO has always's been full of some of the worst bunch of no good theives and murderes in the world. The whole state of LA is notorious for having the most crooked polititions as well. I've been there a quite a few times and hated it every time. "arm pit" of the US. It needed a good bath, but now the bath water has run over and Texas has gotten some of the run off. Hopefully the powers that be won't tolerate such behavior here. Having said that Houston's not far from being as bad as NO. Hell of a mess for sure.
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posted September 06, 2005 10:56 AM
I'm just amazed to see so many liberal opinions on a hunting oriented website. You would think those guys are from the east coast, liberal welfare states, Mass. NY, NJ PA etc.? Hmmm? Guess they might be? As far as Andy goes, I'm counting my blessings that we don't have John Kerry to bail us out of the mess. If Bush can be faulted, it's for relying on the LA Governor and the Mayor to evacuate New Orleans. Then, I'd fire the whole passel of bureacrats drawing a paycheck from FEMA. The last thing I'd want to hear from that agency is whining and excuses. But, that's what we got. I think Bush finally got fed up and issued a few directives. Whether it was one or two days to late, I don't know? But, what are you going to do with people that don't get out of town when they should, and when the water starts rising they retreat to the attic, where there is no escape? Some observers are wondering why the people all sat around waiting for somebody to save them? I could have easily predicted the looting, seen it happen a couple times in Los Angeles. It's hard to leave your home and everything you own, and leave it to looters. I can understand why some would want to protect their property; seen that happen in fires, out here. But, that type is a little more resourceful, usually smart enough to keep out of trouble. As far as I'm concerned, what we have is a typical Democratic response. Hillary. The suggestion that we should rebuild NO and put up a levy system that would survive a 200 year catagory 5 Hurricane, well, let's talk about that one.
Good hunting. LB
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posted September 06, 2005 11:16 AM
<<I'm just amazed to see so many liberal opinions on a hunting oriented website. You would think those guys are from the east coast, liberal welfare states, Mass. NY, NJ PA etc.? >>
Now just a darn minute there. Not everybody from the east coast is a liberal.
Just most of them. Life is hard.
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posted September 06, 2005 12:00 PM
I'm sorry, THO. It's just that you don't have enough votes to become a RED state, just like me. CA has some conservatives, noteably Orange County and where I live, saddled with the stupid name of "Inland Empire" which is fast becoming the second Republican stronghold in a BLUE state.
Good hunting. LB
edit: I wonder if it is true that they opened the doors to the New Orleans jails and let everybody out? My goodness, rapes and murders and looting? Unbelievable? ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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posted September 06, 2005 02:29 PM
Just one more reason for me not to like JH I guess. Does he have any redeeming qualities at all, or is he just a blowhard? That's a rhetorical question - not meant to sideline the thread.
I do want to make one observation. And I feel very much qualified to do so, given my backgroud. 2dogs and the TX guys can probably echo this sentiment as well. There are a lot of well intending people espousing opinions who, quite frankly, don't know a God-damned thing about what they're talking about. Just becausze it's been said on TV or online, it AIN'T necessarily true, or for that matter, a valid opinion. Unless you've been incident commander on any type of emergency scene and been responsible for managing personnel and resources to save lives, conserve property and bring order to chaos while protecting your own personnel, all the while being ass deep in those little unexpected surprises that no amount of planning can prepare you or your emergency plan for, then shut the hell up! Geesh!!!
I've worked structure fires, floods, multi-vehicle accidents, and God only knows what all else both as a medic and as a firefighter - as Incident Commander, as a tactical supervisor, both within any one of the several agencies I have been associated with as well as incidents involving upwards of a half-dozen neighboring agencies concurrently operating over a geopgraphic area of tens of square miles and I have yet to see any tabletop-made emergency plan work perfectly when applied to real-life circumstances. This is a major natural disaster and even if we didn't have the loss of life, we would still have a major metropolitan area all but completely destroyed, and the problems that come with that. This country has never faced this type of crisis before, so hey, unless you've got a better way of doing things, me thinks so many doth protest too much. Seems to be a lot of intellectually hypocritical Monday morning quarterbacks amongst the civilian corps these days. Saw a bunch of 'em at that link. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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posted September 06, 2005 02:41 PM
You're still mad because he called you a hair lip. Admit it.
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posted September 06, 2005 03:23 PM
It's OK. NH was a fine place to live until all the people from Mass moved here. Place went down hill fast.
And if I offended anyone from Mass, tough. Stay where you are or move back where you came from.
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posted September 06, 2005 03:23 PM
Leonard,
I dont know if you started this as a shot at me or actually like what I had to say. Dont really matter either way. If you are serious though, I will throw my hat in the ring, iffin yall will back me. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
All I was doing was expressing how I feel about the situation and some peoples stances on it. If you read the other thread too, and I would bet you did, you would know I was a little emotionally charged as well. I had just came from that country. Its a sad, sad thing. I saw alot of things that will not leave my mind anytime soon. But blaming Bush for all your troubles is ignorant. What really fired me up was the fact that some of the people I was talking with, who happened to be the family of a fugitive I was after, had kids, no power, no gas, no water, no food. The mother actually asked me what was happening on the coast, as she had no contact with the outside world. She wasnt complaining, but worrying about them, saying they had it bad. I couldnt bring myself to do my normal job and strongarm them into helping me. Instead, we got her some gas, water and food to help her out with her kids and will finish it another day. These people are in a sad state of affairs and no light at the end of the tunnel, and instead of complaining, they were worried about the people further south. And then I got to ride home with the liberal agent that was with me and all he did was bitch about gas prices and Bush. Then get on the computer and saw that thread. I lost it. You can read the rest.
I have seen my share of problems as well. Probably not as much as you, 911, but I was a fireman and first responder myself for a while. I know a little of what your talking about anyway.
As for JH, I like him alot. I know some dont, especially here, and thats ok. Hes a friend of mine. Hell, Ill be at his house next week. We dont agree about politics or alot of other things, and get into some hellacious arguments about those things, but that and being friends and hunting together are totally different. We have the ability to differ politics and pleasure. Thats a good thing. Hell, if that were the case, I couldnt see any of my family. I was raised a strong democrap and they would absolutely disown me. We just agree to disagree on those things and go hunting and have a blast together. Thats all there is to it.
Anyway, I thought I would speak my mind. Like I said, I dont know if you were being sarcastic or what, but thats my opinion and Im stickin to it.
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posted September 06, 2005 05:26 PM
Andy,
I didn't make it more than a few minutes into that thread.
I can't stand to listen to liberals whine. I don't see how folks like you, Harter and Ken can hang around listening to it.
But I have been reading other news sources, and I'm totally amazed at how many people refused to leave, despite multiple warnings and orders to leave. Who then started raping, robbing and murdering as soon as the storm ended because they knew the Police were out of reach.
Those same people then shot at the first attempts to rescue them, and are now sitting on their fat liberal asses whining about how long it's taken for someone to come save them.
I feel sorry for, and sympathize with those who could not get out of the path of the storm. But I'll bet most of those folks now being rescued were simply too lazy to do anything for themselves. And it pisses me off to have my tax money spent to "Rescue" people too lazy to rescue themselves.
The Welfare State needs to be abolished, if you don't work, you don't eat, or you'd better have a sympathetic family willing to support your lazy ass.
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posted September 06, 2005 05:58 PM
Andy, come on. In no way am I taking a shot at you. It's the knee jerk reactionaries that see Republicans and Bush as the problem when the locals did absolutely nothing to help themselves. Everything is political with these types; score points on Bush any friggin' way they can.
I am not unsympathetic to the suffering of innocent people. There is a long line of failures. The people that knew the score and lived in a city below sea level. The local officials that couldn't make decisions in time. The worthless lady masquerading as Governor. And, playing politics as only a liberal Democratic Aparatchik can, asking/demanding for Federal assistance and then holding back the Louisanna National Guard so she can call the shots. She has already shown herself to be completely inept, over her head, been playing the blame game from day one. She needs to be recalled.
And FEMA. Where to start? Fire all of them worthless bastards.
But, no, I my intention was to show support for your point of view. Mainly, quit trying to lynch Bush for local failure when it is plain to see that he "might" have been a little slow, but he saw the light and started issuing orders where others could only complain, or do NOTHING. I KNOW he's the top dog, but he has to depend on other people drawing a high dollar paycheck to do their jobs at a critical period, and they ALL let him down.
And, no, I did n't read the other thread. What is it called?
Good hunting. LB
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posted September 06, 2005 05:58 PM
Politics over duty
This is a post from a fellow over in Merritt Is, FL, a reporter who's been researching what went on before the storm hit.
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I think all of Nagin's pomp and posturing is going to bite him hard in the near future as the lies and distortions of his interviews are coming to light.
On Friday night before the storm hit Max Mayfield of the National Hurricane Center took the unprecedented action of calling Nagin and Blanco personally to plead with them to begin MANDATORY evacuation of NO and they said they'd take it under consideration. This was after the NOAA buoy 240 miles south had recorded 68' waves before it was destroyed.
President Bush spent Friday afternoon and evening in meetings with his advisors and administrators drafting all of the paperwork required for a state to request federal assistance (and not be in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act or having to enact the Insurgency Act). Just before midnight Friday evening the President called Governor Blanco and pleaded with her to sign the request papers so the federal government and the military could legally begin mobilization and call up. He was told that they didn't think it necessary for the federal government to be involved yet. After the President's final call to the governor she held meetings with her staff to discuss the political ramifications of bringing federal forces. It was decided that if they allowed federal assistance it would make it look as if they had failed so it was agreed upon that the feds would not be invited in.
Saturday before the storm hit the President again called Blanco and Nagin requesting they please sign the papers requesting federal assistance, that they declare the state an emergency area, and begin mandatory evacuation. After a personal plea from the President Nagin agreed to order an evacuation, but it would not be a full mandatory evacuation, and the governor still refused to sign the papers requesting and authorizing federal action. In frustration the President declared the area a national disaster area before the state of Louisiana did so he could legally begin some advanced preparations. Rumor has it that the President's legal advisers were looking into the ramifications of using the insurgency act to bypass the Constitutional requirement that a state request federal aid before the federal government can move into state with troops - but that had not been done since 1906 and the Constitutionality of it was called into question to use before the disaster.
Throw in that over half the federal aid of the past decade to NO for levee construction, maintenance, and repair was diverted to fund a marina and support the gambling ships. Toss in the investigation that will look into why the emergency preparedness plan submitted to the federal government for funding and published on the city's website was never implemented and in fact may have been bogus for the purpose of gaining additional federal funding as we now learn that the organizations identified in the plan were never contacted or coordinating into any planning - though the document implies that they were.
The suffering people of NO need to be asking some hard questions as do we all, but they better start with why Blanco refused to even sign the multi-state mutual aid pack activation documents until Wednesday which further delayed the legal deployment of National Guard from adjoining states. Or maybe ask why Nagin keeps harping that the President should have commandeered 500 Greyhound busses to help him when according to his own emergency plan and documents he claimed to have over 500 busses at his disposal to use between the local school busses and the city transportation busses - but he never raised a finger to prepare them or activate them.
This is a sad time for all of us to see that a major city has all but been destroyed and thousands of people have died with hundreds of thousands more suffering, but it's certainly not a time for people to be pointing fingers and trying to find a bigger dog to blame for local corruption and incompetence. Pray to God for the survivors that they can start their lives anew as fast as possible and we learn from all the mistakes to avoid them in the future.
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Our Constitution provides autonomy for the State governors. They are the only ones now that can mobilize their National Guards within their States to assist in their States, except in the extreme situation where they themselves are defying a Supreme Court order (like 1954 in Little Rock, Arkansas)
President Bush urged Gov. Blanco on Friday last to order a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans. She called for a "voluntary" evacuation on Saturday afternoon, saying the President Bush had urged her to evacuate. (I assume that was so she could blame him if the storm passed them by) Bush declared Louisiana and Mississippi disaster areas of national emergencies two days BEFORE the hurricane hit. That is unprecedented as far as I know, but by doing that a lot of FEMA supplies and personnel could be prepositioned in those States to assist. (But he first had to get the Governors to request that he make these declarations.)
On Saturday night the Mayor of New Orleans was still dithering with lawyers about their liability if he should order the evacuation of New Orleans be mandatory. He and the lawyers decided to have people sign forms refusing mandatory evacuation, and then Sunday morning he finally ordered mandatory evacuation.
However, the Mayor of New Orleans didn't commandeer school buses and start hauling people out. He pretty much left everybody to fend for themselves, as far as I know.
The country knows that New Orleans is one of our most corrupt cities, and Louisiana one of our most corrupt States.
New Orleans has a Democrat Mayor, a Democrat City Council, a Democrat Chief of Police -- Louisiana a Democrat Attorney General, a Democrat Governor, a Democrat Lt. Governor, 24 of 39 Louisiana State Senators are Democrat, 67 of 105 Louisiana State House Representatives are Democrat, there's a Democrat Representative in the House from New Orleans, and one of two Senators in the Senate is a Democrat (The only Republican Senator was just elected last year).
Governor Blanco did not ask for National Guard troops from outside Louisiana to be prepositioned before the hurricane, and then was out of communication with her own troops after the hurricane because of the disaster taking down all the communication systems.
She did not request assistance from the federal government for additional troops from outside Louisiana till Wednesday. (Democrats are always very reluctant to use military, especially in situations that involve African-Americans which composed 68% of the population of New Orleans, but part of that was due to her not being able to get reports of conditions in New Orleans due to communications being down.) Today, Friday, the National Guard rolled into New Orleans.
Many people in New Orleans didn't leave because they had property they wanted to protect from criminals, because they had elderly or sick relatives or pets that they stayed to care for, or because their welfare or Social Security checks were due to come on Sept 1.
Taking all these and other things into consideration, I think we need to make new law allowing the federal government to assume the leadership role in natural or terrorist disasters. We can't count on each State having a "Giuliani" around to take charge.
There were disaster plans on the boards. Those plans called for mandatory evacuation of New Orleans if threatened by a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. The Governor and Mayor simply didn't do what they were supposed to do in a timely manner, despite urging from the President.
We also need a plan for gathering up the poor and the infirm and getting them out with their ID, and for guarding their property in their absence as best we can, although the latter part of that is a real challenge. We need a system for canceling any checks that are in the mail and reissuing them in a timely fashion to shelters.
Certainly we need better communications networking with people on the ground in the disaster areas. Bunkers for command and communications need to be built with generators and satellite communications in some areas that are most likely to be wiped out.
Just as the feds have been for some time now not insuring people who build on the Mississippi River flood plain, but are rebuilding their homes above the flood zones -- so do we need to recognize that New Orleans cannot continue to live below sea level.
Talk in Congress is to bulldoze much of New Orleans and fill in the hole to 10-12 feet above sea level before allowing rebuilding. Heaven only knows there's a lot of debris along the Gulf coast now that could go into that hole.
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posted September 06, 2005 06:12 PM
WOW. Thanks for that eye opener, Jack. But, I'm not surprised. Afterall, who's squawking the loudest?
Good hunting. LB
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Andy L
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posted September 06, 2005 07:12 PM
I feel the same way Leonard.
I dont feel sorry for the ones that could, but wouldnt help themselves.
The folks I was around worked, or did work. That was the sad part. They couldnt work because their jobs had no power. The towns didnt have but partial power and these people were ten miles out. And, most of the effort is on the coast and this is 100 miles or more north. Its no telling how long these people will be without basics that we take for granted. And not a damn thing they can do about it.
Tim,
To answer your question, its easy to hang around with those guys. Like I said, JH and I differ greatly, as you probably can tell, on politics, but we can see past that and be friends when it comes to hunting and other things. I like JH.
I dont know exactly what your situation is and its none of my business. I dont like getting in other peoples problems. I got enough of my own. Maybe we can meet next time Im downt there if you want. I did actually meet you in Jan 04 and was at your house with Norm as well, just stayed in the truck. I know Ken, Shaun and Mike hold high regards for you.
Thanks for the kind words Leonard.
Andy
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posted September 06, 2005 07:27 PM
Leonard,
That was "misbred hare-lipped idiot". If I can remember it, so can you. Not that I would ever hang onto a grudge. LOL
Jack,
Well put and thank you. There is a distinct chain of command and protocol that must be followed in these instances, and this disaster is a direct result of a failure on the part of the powers that be to follow their own plan. President Bush could not legally just step in and take over. It's against the law. It would be one thing if there was a total absence of leadership and the federal gov't had to take over, but in this instance, we had a Mayor and a Governor that willfully interfered with the efforts of the federal government to render aid to the citizens of NO. This region is overrun with people accustomed to entitlements and eight days ago, the gravy train came to a screeching halt.
The thing about this whole deal that really chaps my ass is that there are literally swarms of people attacking the President, FEMA, and hordes of other people that were trying to do their jobs but were prevented from doing so because of the ineptness of the Gov and Mayor. The only people that truly can understand the challenges faced there are those in the midst of that nightmare. Even a small, single patient emergency call is usually only organized chaos at best. Factor in a fire or flood, a few displaced people, maybe start expanding the unified command structure to include local utilities, highway engineers, and governmental officials, combined with a total collapse of the communication infrastruture so that first responders less than a couple blocks away from one another aren't aware of each others' presence, let alone their status or who they are and you've got the call from hell on your hands. They do, now.
There was a lot that could have and should have been done before Katrina hit, but that's all behind us now. Today -right now - we need to focus our energy and hearts on helping to recover bodies, reunite seprated families that are now being dispersed to shelters all across the country, and to support the law enforcement officials, game wardens, fire and EMS people, FEMA, and military, some of which are still there fighting the good fight even though their own homes and everything they owned is gone, except for the clothes they wore to their job eight days ago.
This is an unfathomable disaster - unlike anything this country has ever before seen. People keep comparing it to 911. Hardly. Not to make light of that disaster, but we had four days warning on this and chose to do nothing. This disaster covers an area larger than the entire state of Kansas. This was like a 145-mile wide tornado that went thru there. Even if we had had perfect plans in place, dotted all the "i's" and crossed all the "t's", it would have faltered somewhere along the timeline simply because of the scope and breadth of the crisis. Most likely, that failure would have occurred on the heels of losing the communications network. Poor communication is the number one reason for response plan faliures in FD and EMS, yet we still have no fail-safe way to ensure dedicated and continuing communication regardless of circumstances. Refer back to the twin towers and how things broke down because the radios gave them problems.
Oh, and FEMA should not be regarded as a First Responder asset. They're serving now in the capacity they are intended to serve. The delay in their arrival was and is simply a failure to request them and activate the resource in a timely manner, and problems with the logistical aspects of getting them into the crisis scene. But, becauise it's a Republican administration and their head was appointed by Bush, they're a viable target to the uninformed.
Just my .02. I may be wrong. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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posted September 06, 2005 07:51 PM
Jack,
I hadnt taken the time to read that all thru till now. That IS an eye opener. Seems the governor wanted to look like she was doing her job, but leave herself an out in case it turned out to be nothing. Wow.
The people that could have left and didnt in NO really piss me off. Endangering themselves is one thing, but now they gotta endanger rescuers as well as spending our tax dollars to get their silly asses out of there.
On a side note, I had a friend tell me that NO is one of the most dangerous cities in the US. I dont know his source, but have no reason to doubt him either. He told me that there was a study done sometime ago, and police were given 700 blank rounds of ammo and fired them throughout the city at night. Not one call to the police was made reporting gunfire.
Living below sea level in a city of welfare and violence is a deadly combination when it comes to a catastrophe like this. No doubt.
Andy
BTW, Bill O'Reilly had a good comment last Friday. Dont count on the government to protect you from everything. You may be disappointed.
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posted September 07, 2005 04:55 AM
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Dont count on the government to protect you from everything. You may be disappointed.
Kind of a funny thing... everyone is for small government and no intrusions into our lives, until you get your ass in trouble. Then, all they can say is where the hell is big government.
A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have. (Thomas Jefferson, or someone like that)
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posted September 07, 2005 05:22 AM
I dont know if you fellers like him or not, but I watch O'Reilly every chance I get. He has good sense and is not afraid to call people on the carpet that need it.
Last night was a good one. He actually went over just about the same thing that Jack posted last night. Except that he was trying to add Bush in there as people that dropped the ball. The guy he had to interview was trying to tell him that Bush laid the groundwork on Friday night and the governor didnt sign it so he could legally take over til Wednesday, but he didnt understand that. That was the only difference. He pretty much said the governor and mayor are done and he posed questions for them that he said he will press until they answer. Which Im sure they wont answer, trying to salvage their offices.
He also called the oil companies on the carpet for raping the American public during the time of a disaster. Pointing out exactly the insane profits each company made last quarter and what the CEO made for the year. This is PROFIT, so costs are already figured in. Unreal. I dont know if it will do any good, but he called on everyone to cut back on driving by 10% and dont buy gas on Sundays. That would be enough to substantially get their attention, according to him.
This is what I gathered from the show, so its always subject to misunderstanding, but I think thats pretty close. Oh, and some woman sent him an email and told him to go to hell, she would never leave her pets no matter what. I guess that was a response for him telling that some people were stupid for not leaving.
I think we are by far and away the greatest country on the face of earth and that has ever existed. But I sure as hell refuse to rely on it for my familys well being. I dont even like paying social security. Its not going to be here when its my time to draw it anyway and I truely think I can beat it, if I could keep the money and use it myself for retirement.
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posted September 07, 2005 09:51 AM
Yeah, I saw most of the show last night, except the segment about oil profits, something else got my attention?
I can see why the crew would not want some hyper pit bull winched up in the basket, but I also understand why people might leave everything they own, but still want a beloved pet saved with them. Hard choice. Especially after all the wind and water have died down; they survived the worst and now somebody is telling them what they can and cannot do.
The Dems are shameful for directing the blame away from "dumb and dumber" and wanting to string up Bush. It's obvious to me that the guy has compassion, and I believe he tried to help as best he could and waited for results as long as he could. Then, the other side talks about "spin". Completely stupid. Bush had absolutely no reason to dink around and let people die. That's why the Democratic Party has no moral compass; shameful attitude and motives. When you think of the assholes that are the leaders of the Party, Schumer, Hillary, Peloci, Boxer, Kennedy; all left wingers, and none with a workable plan, just taking shots at the Administration. Worthless bloodsuckers.
It's the same thing with natural disasters as with riots in the streets. Do not depend on the Government to save your ass in this type of situation and don't expect the police to protect you from criminals. Your gun is the first line of defense.
Democrats get a bad name from the worthless bastards that control the party. I will never understand what motivates people to vote for them, never in a million years? Tax and spend, whine and finger point. They are desperate, Bush has two appointments to the Supreme Court and all they care about is protecting abortion rights. Even the most outrageous late term procedures...at taxpayers expense. They have abused the public trust, the worm is turning and they can't stop a stinking, rotting, sinking ship. People are tired of Democratic policies but the leaders of the party have not got the message. They have lost the Presidency, both houses of Congress and about to get a decisive shift on the Supreme Court, and their world is crumbling. I actually feel sorry for them bastards. ha!
Good hunting. LB
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posted September 07, 2005 10:28 AM
My grandmother called me last night and she is a saint on earth if there ever was one. I have never heard a bad word out of her mouth about anyone period, god bless her soul. Anyway, she, being a life long democrat going on what she hears, brought up to to me about Bush and the gas prices.
I couldnt bring myself to say anything, of course, just let it go, but it was sad in a way. Alot of people feel the same way. Point your finger at Bush when he has no control whatsoever, without turning this country from a democracy into a socialism. Now the oil companies on the other hand, gouging on desperate people, are a different story. But, I always believe that what comes around goes around. I cant help but think they will get their due someday soon when auto makers cant sell gas engines and they have to go to alternative fuels....
Another think I have noticed about democraps is that a very large percentage in rural areas are democraps only because their daddy was, his daddy was, ect.... You ask them their opinion and they will give you a conservative answer almost every time, but mention that is what Bush wants to do and they explode. Its pitiful. I know there are other liberals that arent that way, but theres sure alot of that kind around here.
See what happens.
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posted September 07, 2005 12:17 PM
Well, you're going to get a "pile on" at the ronde, so buck up. Might as well take along your "canon" to give them something else to rag on; change of pace. Maybe you can find the time to sneak away and visit with Tim?
Good hunting. LB
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posted September 07, 2005 12:36 PM
I dont know about that Leonard. At past Rondys, I have pretty much strolled away when politics came up and found another conversation. And, contrary to popular belief, Conservatives outnumber liberals at the rondy in big numbers. Matter of fact, other than JH of course (and one drunk German last year), I dont guess any of the lefties that raise hell at the board even come to the rondy. Im pretty easy going, even though you cant tell it sometimes. LOL. Like I said, I just kinda stumble off into the dark and find a conversation that suites me more or hit the cot and get ready to hunt the next day. Norm and I have hunted pretty savage the last couple years. Not much lollygaggin.
Yeah, I would like to get to know Tim. I met him at the main tent two years ago when he was helpin out with some electric. Doubt if he remembers me. And Norm went to talk with him at his house and I stayed in the truck as I was worn out and the wind was howling pretty good. And last year, I seen him at the store in ElFrida, but he didnt know me and I didnt really have time to explain much. But yeah, if Tim wants, I would be glad to come around and visit a bit. I know we got alot of friends in common.
As for the cannon, I dont know if it will make the trip or not but I got another thats kinda in between Im going to be testing this year. Ill try and keep that quiet.
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posted September 07, 2005 05:49 PM
Let's see? Kinda in between? sounds like a 19/223 or one of those 204 Rugers that Frame is hot on?
Pretty soon, that "ronde" woun't be a Seventeen Caliber Club, anymore?
Good hunting. LB
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posted September 07, 2005 07:41 PM
Andy, Give me a call when you get down here. The number is 1389 if JH's dogs have eaten all of his phonebooks.
I've been looking for an excuse to get out and call some coyotes. I'm wanting to try out a new camera. If you can get here over a weekend, I'll call and you can shoot, sound fair?
I remember you from when you came down with Norm, but I can't blame you for staying in the truck. Sorry about how the dog was acting that day, we don't get much company. His only purpose in life is to keep strangers away from my wife, I just wish I could get him to turn it off sometimes. I was scared to death he was going to slip around and bite Norm.
The Rhondy isn't coming up already is it? I've been chatting with Mike by email, but he hasn't mentioned it. I haven't heard from Shaun in a long time, I'm thinking Debbie got healed up and kicked his ass off of the computer.
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posted September 07, 2005 09:30 PM
Tim,
You should have a couple of emails.
Thanks
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