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Andy L
HI, I'M THE NEW MODERATOR OF THE CENTRAL MISSOURI FORUM, PULL MY FINGER!
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posted July 29, 2009 05:55 AM
What gives? I see on the rubber room that he is out at PMS? I didnt go there to look, makes me wanna puke, but just curious as to what the scoop is?
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Okanagan
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posted July 29, 2009 08:09 AM
The scoop is the same old soap opera. So routinely predictable that it is a yawn for bystanders, though I'm sure it is painful for Randy.
PMS has two problems:
1. Policy. A major flaw is deliberate, systematized conflict of interest.
2. Personnel. A manipulator at the top who chonically damages the site. A top circle who don't have the sense nor guts to get rid of either the conflict of interest nor the top frog.
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MJM
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posted July 29, 2009 10:40 AM
I have no real information, it's just a feeling, but I believe I smell a change in the wind.....
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Dan Carey
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posted July 29, 2009 11:25 AM
I hope the hell they wake up and eject that fat ass from about 30,000 feet.
Preferably over the water, as he is allergic to soap and water.
Sometimes when a house is too dirty to clean it gets burned down.
Here's hoping for the best. Good luck.
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Leonard
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posted July 29, 2009 11:29 AM
A change in the wind would be called for, Michael. But, with their grip on power, I can't imagine them releasing that power, other than a sort of "my cold dead hands" situation. I further cannot imagine anyone outside the inner sanctum having any ability to crack that shell.
I said a long time ago that Randy in charge of that site would be the best thing that would ever happen to PM.
Open invite to Randy. If you feel a need to clear the air without fear of reprisals, you would be welcome here at Huntmasters.
Good hunting. LB
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MJM
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posted July 30, 2009 10:18 AM
With the new TOS, reprisals could and most likely would come if Randy R. came in here and wrote anything about P-masters. Besides, Randy simply wouldn't do such a thing. With the new TOS I could be tossed for writing what I have in this thread. I'm one that believes that SERIOUS change needs to take place over there, but it is likely my reasons are different from what you might think. I know that some here would disagree, but there are still some very good people working on PM, but with all the background noise they are likely not being heard. I also don't believe that RF believes he's working against PM's best interest, but the discussion has gotten to be to focused on RF. It's to the point where there is nothing he can do without drawing fire. For that reason, if no other, he should relieve himself of his fairly substancial legal responsibilities at PM and step down with grace. That act and that act alone would go a long ways toward healing wounds that haven't healed for quite some time. Am I a "Kool-Aid" blinded chearleader for PM, maybe a little bit, knowing that about myself is an important self understanding, but not nearly as much as I'm frequently accused of being. PM still has good points, but they are being over shadowed by the constantly nagging fact that RF has upset many many people and they simply can't let any of it go.
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Okanagan
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posted July 30, 2009 11:17 AM
MJM, hope you are right but my guess is that Leonard is closer to reality: the top circle are protecting each other and have enough votes to retain control. A few of us spoke up as RF maneuvered to consolidate power but we got slammed for it. The process was obvious then and still is.
I agree with you that RF probably believes that he is doing the best for PMS. Hitler felt that way about Germany.
This round is beginning to look like RaginC is in cahoots with RF to draw out suckers into speaking up. That's too simple but something fishy is going on.
There are several mods I used to respect, but as time drags on without major changes, I have little regard left for anyone who can remain a mod in that mess. I had hoped that some of the sensible ones would be quietly working for needed change. Hope so but don't care much anymore. Getting rid of the frog is only the first step of several needed.
Hey, MJM, thanks for posting.
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MJM
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posted July 30, 2009 12:10 PM
I believe that if you could actually know the moderators you'd be surprised to see how they feel about what's going on. There are two ways to look at a power or what is probably more accurately described as a policy struggle. You can stay in the your position and work for change or you can simply quite. All quiting does is take you out of the fight completely leaving nothing. I believe, and I don't have anything solid to go by, that several moderators and even the BOD are fighting the good fight, one that you don't and won't see. All I know is that things are different from the time I was a moderator. At that time moderators had a level of control of the board, but it wasn't easy to get things done in a hurry. People have jobs and family, they can't be on the board all the time, sometimes they couldn't be on the board for weeks at a time. Actions could be painfully slow. I'm sure the present configuration makes things far more nimble, but it's far to easy to unintentionally move to quickly, poor decissions can take on a life of their own as we have all seen. I continue to hope for PM, I continue to look for the proverbial light that still shines and it does shine my friends it does shine...
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Tim Behle
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posted July 30, 2009 12:18 PM
Michael,
I found the light a few years ago. Take off those sunglasses. You've arrived! ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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MJM
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posted July 30, 2009 12:36 PM
Tim - I sure missed you when you left PM....
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Leonard
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posted July 30, 2009 12:47 PM
Well, yeah? Sorry to toot my own horn at this juncture, but (and to state the obvious) Huntmasters was created as a remedy for exactly these situations. And, while they were gangbanging me, hardly a word of protest. You know, that was in 2001 and while I believe things turned out for the best, as MJM said; it is hard to just let it go.
In any case, I don't have a whole lot of charity towards PM, Burn baby burn. The site is rotten at it's core and there is a significant membership that doesn't have a clue about the history and the malfeasance that exists today and for a very long time now.
Another thing that Michael said, Randy is too pure of heart to make his case on this platform, etc. Well, Jim Champion did it, before Fins and Fur.
Good hunting. LB
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Dan Carey
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posted July 30, 2009 01:16 PM
Hey Mikey, did you miss me too?
I work harder than anyone I know, on behalf of PM.
[ July 30, 2009, 01:23 PM: Message edited by: Dan Carey ]
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MJM
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posted July 30, 2009 02:13 PM
Leonard – This shouldn’t be anything new to you. I missed you when you were shown the door, I didn't like it one bit and campaigned for you on several occasions ... until I was told in no uncertain terms to "stop it". Since I was a moderator for only a couple of days before all this happened I really don't know all that happened so I can't comment. It must have been quite a show though.
Dan - what can I say, yes I have missed your helpful posts, I don't miss the posts you put up on P-monsters. I head it's been mentioned, over there, but I can/will no longer participate there. Not because I was removed, but because I simply could no longer associate myself with what was going on any longer. My original goal was to stop some of the out and out lies that were and had been floating around about P-masters. Stuff like financial misappropriation, manufacturers giving the moderators stuff and a bunch of other things that were just plain not true. I think to a large degree I was successful, but not completely. However there came a time where it became obvious that it wasn't about the facts, it was about character assignation and there is no stopping simple hate. Please, this is not the place to hash those subjects out again, your methods and my methods differ in that regard. So, Dan there is much about you and your skill that I admire, but on the subject of RF I simply can’t keep going there, it’s not good for my soul.
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Dan Carey
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posted July 30, 2009 03:02 PM
Damn Michael, I just asked you if you missed me.
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MJM
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posted July 30, 2009 04:06 PM
yeah a little. I guess I'm in a writng mood. It's been a long time since I felt like writing much of anything.
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Leonard
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posted July 30, 2009 04:48 PM
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My original goal was to stop some of the out and out lies that were and had been floating around about P-masters. MJM
No disrespect, Michael. I don't think you were ever in a position to know about certain chickenshit decisions and unfair actions. You were spoon fed a version from their spin control meisters and naively swallowed their bullshit. For you and many others, it was a painfully slow and incremental awareness, but eventually stuff just didn't add up. This continues unabated. The membership is clueless, for the most part. They all know there is a line that shall not be crossed, just as we both know it .
That's the problem, Dude. Recognizing the shit they pull is small potatos. Add in the fear factor associated with expressing honest opinion, and that lies at the root of the unsolvable problem. Which is, management should be fired and brand new (and fair) terms of service should be implimented. PM's credibility has suffered for quite a long time and yet, they (the brain trust) continue to "Microsoft service pack" the solutions.
Good hunting. LB
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MJM
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posted July 30, 2009 05:41 PM
Some of what was floating around was simply made up crap drawn into life from several unrelated bits of factual information, then some of it, well not so much. I attempted to address what I knew to be crap and leave the rest alone. I don't expect to get a truly fair hearing here, I will alwys be suspect to some degree whether I'm guilty or not. I don't really hold it against anybody.
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Leonard
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posted July 30, 2009 06:06 PM
I don't know why you should not expect a fair hearing on Huntmasters, Michael? If the perception is that you are a "Company Man" then this membership will probably regard your statements as those of a "true believer" and for that, (unfortuantely) you know who is responsible? Other than that, I take exception to your comments. You will alway and always have received a more fair hearing here, than there, by definition. I don't alter, edit or delete, for starters. That sounds rather fair to me, as I understand the word?
Good hunting. LB
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Dan Carey
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posted July 30, 2009 06:35 PM
The sky really is blue, even though you can't see it on a cloudy day, Michael.
Your truth may not be mine or ours, however you do have the right to voice your opinion as I do. Unlike others, I will tell you what I think without the sugar coating.
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Andy L
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posted July 30, 2009 06:44 PM
You can get a fair hearing here for sure. I can attest to that. Though I never messed around PMS much, I did hang on the darkside for a while.
Met alot of nice folks over there. The bullshit and stentch just got to be too much to take.
Hell, I think Dan even likes me just a little bit now. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Lonny
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posted July 30, 2009 08:33 PM
Dang, I just went over to PM to read about the Ragn firing fiasco that Andy mentioned and I couldn't find anything... ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
I guess it must have never happened? Are you guys just making this stuff up?
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Leonard
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posted July 30, 2009 09:32 PM
I thought I saw you posting on that thread, Lonny?
But, in their world, yes, it's like it never happened. What a crock of shit.
Good hunting. LB
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Lonny
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posted July 30, 2009 09:54 PM
I was just being a little sarcastic Leonard, as I did partake in the attempt at a much needed coup.
In one of my post's on the thread in question, I expressed surprise that the whole shitteree hadn't been locked and flushed yet. Well, they didn't let me down. It just took a few more hours.
[ July 30, 2009, 09:55 PM: Message edited by: Lonny ]
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Dave Allen
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posted July 31, 2009 07:44 AM
The way they've handled this situation speak's volume's as to how PMS is ran. Those threads were a public out-cry to show the support of their favorite guy.
So what do they do, they flush them. I wonder what would happen if somebody started a thread showing support of RF & some people suggested Randy should go, do you think that would get flushed ??
Just sayin'
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MJM
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posted July 31, 2009 09:37 AM
Leonard - I know how you run your board and my statement wasn't a slam. It was an acknowledgement that my background is tainted and will always be filtered by what you and others have seen or think they've seen of me. We are always judged good or bad to some degree on not only who but where we've been. The same is true for me, I've got some experience with the styles of Tim B., Dan Carey and you Leonard. Form those experiences I draw certain conclusions or my opinion is tempered to some degree with what I know of each of you. Please don't draw any conclusions from that, there's no good or bad there, it's simple life experience. Some of us run hot/cold, some run on a very even keel most of the time. For instance surprisingly enough, Dan Carey has been very fair to me, but he's been vicious to others. I think we've always dealt with each other in a fairly straight forward manner, he tells me when he thinks I'm full of crap and I do the same with him, but I don't think we hold a grudge about it because there's a level of honest trust there. One thing we certainly don't agree on is how we handle our differences with P-masters issues.
Over on P-masters both threads certainly ran into uncomfortable waters. Some of it ran very deep. I think it says something about P-masters that they let it run as long as it did and they’ve left it there for all to see. It should also be noted that the public outcry worked and Randy is back on the moderating staff. While the discussion has been largely taken into the back room, it is my belief that this is not done playing out. I believe P-masters came narrowly close to burning down and they know how close a thing it was.
Edit: I need to add this. The reason I believe that thread worked as effectively as it did was due to the level headedness of the posts. There wasn't a lot of uncontroled screaming going on. What there was, was constant well controlled intellegent pressure applied by folks that are not usually trouble makers. That got attention and it couldn't be ignored. Slash, burn and insult doesn't get you very far, but intellegent even pressure just might.
[ July 31, 2009, 09:49 AM: Message edited by: MJM ]
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