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Topic: Awfully quiet around here
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3 Toes
El Guapo
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posted June 07, 2007 02:31 PM
I wish one of you guys would start a controversy or something so we had something to argue about or read! I have had to resort to reading the drivel around some other boards just for cheap entertainment.
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Leonard
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posted June 07, 2007 02:44 PM
Yeah, I have noticed that, too. Maybe Krusty invited all of our members to his new hangout?
But, just for laughs, and no disrespect to the men that lost their lives recently.
Can you really and truly justify aerial coyote control.
And, specifically, where I'm coming from, the way it is practiced in the State of Nevada. It is pegged to every hunting license sold, and they manage to spend the money, regardless of actual need. They mow them down on public BLM land.
I have no problem with traps and snares and any type of hunting; but those methods don't crash and burn. Ya know?
Good hunting. LB
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Tim Behle
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posted June 07, 2007 06:11 PM
The only justification for Arial hunting, is because Cattle Grower and Wool Grower Associations have a lot of money and they spend it on lobbyists to make sure that ADC Spends a ton of money benefiting their membership.
A membership that for the most part, would like to see the extinction of all Predators in the United States.
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3 Toes
El Guapo
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posted June 07, 2007 07:01 PM
Sorry guys, I'm not in a position to discuss that one much. I'd lose either way. Lose friends here, or lose my job.
One thing I will say is that it's funny to me that USDA also includes the Forest Service. Funny you hear no public jabs from the anti crowd when a firefighter loses his life during hazardous duty. Or when one of their choppers or planes goes down.
Either way it is all in the name of public service. To protect something part of the public deems valuable to them. Whether it is their livleyhood in the case of livestock, wildlife interests, etc. or to save a bunch of timber that in many cases is overgrown due to no harvest. I'm sure if a firefighter lost his life trying to protect your house in a wildfire, he would be looked upon highly by either of you. Just because he was protecting something that you personally value. But your house is no more valuable to you than someone elses livestock are to them. Or possibly no more valuable than the value some place on other wildlife that are preyed upon. All depends are where you are looking from.
Aerial hunting is a tool. And when you have exausted other methods and still have problems it is a valuable tool. I guess it is up to the guys that crawl into the plane as to whether it is worth the risk.
Anyway that is already more than I should have typed.
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JeremyKS
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posted June 07, 2007 07:21 PM
Think of it as a union that protects your rights. Well a grower association helps protect producers’ rights. And one of their rights is to protect their property. As far as aerial gunning I can see it would be a highly affective tool to aid ADC guys.
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Krustyklimber
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posted June 07, 2007 07:38 PM
Leonard,
Nope, my new hangout is just as dead, maybe even deader when you consider that this board is just sleeping.
The reason they spend all the money, in Nevada, is the funding for the next year is based upon what a government agency spends this year.
If they don't spend it all, they don't get as much next time.
Is part of why they gun over public land connected with grazing rights on that same land?
Around here... just because you are on US Forest land, doesn't mean that cow is feral.
3Toes,
In this part of the country, it is clear that the forest is a place of agriculture.
They are farming there, on a grand scale.
Yeah it's funny how some public spending is accepted, yet other spending is not.
Look at mountain climbing, everytime a helicopter is sent to pick up a stranded or injured climber, the dabate rises "that these people should have to pay".
No way would the public ever accept having to pay for (some) other services though.
They aren't going to stand for getting a bill, if they call the police, or if the fire department comes when their house is on fire.
Even though we don't all own the same things, or play the same games, we all are entitled to having some of our taxes spent to keep all of us and our property safe.
Personally I'll trade years of helping to pay for the fire dept, for one ride off a mountain (I haven't needed yet). ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Leonard
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posted June 07, 2007 09:30 PM
Yeah, but 3toes, I'm not dissing those guys in any way. And, I understand that the aerial gunning is effective, in some cases and I know about service agencies such as Forest Service, Coast Guard, and Wildlife services. I know you guys have a job to do. I just wonder if traps and snares and hunting them critters with your dogs is good enough? Do we really NEED flying? And, as we have seen, people can get killed. Especially, like I said, in Nevada, it's pretty much a scorched earth policy?
Good hunting. LB
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Randy Roede
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posted June 08, 2007 03:27 AM
3-toes excellent post, it's one of many tools we use to reduce numbers of coyotes in certain areas for short periods of time.
The goal of all ADC I know here in the state is to solve livestock loss without the recreational caller noticing any difference.
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varmit hunter
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posted June 08, 2007 08:18 AM
Cal. That was extremely well said. I do unofficial ADC work. Some I don find pleasent. When folks are loosing serious money, or pets that mean a great deal to them, someone has to help.
I got a call from a PETA member two weeks ago about how a "Piggy" was wrecking her yard. I had to do two interviews with her. I was taken out back and shown the six bowls with each coon's name on them, and three for the skunks.
This was going to have to be a live catch and removal. She wonted to know if "Piggy" was going to squeal during the process. I had to explain that hogs make the same squeal weather they are feeding, making love, are dieing.
She stayed up the tree nights to watch the pig, and was calling me with 3:30 AM, and 4:30 : Am reports how "piggy" was checking out the traps. Third night she called me at 4:00 AM to tell me "Piggy" was in the trap, and asked if I could come get him right away before he started squealing.
Piggy turned out to be a 200 pound bar that gave us pure hell loading. My winch had broke and we had to resort to manual loading, as you know I have a very low manual index. My partner got a love bite on the belly, and I came within a hair of loosing the top of my ear, but "Piggy did not squeal. I told her I would humanly relocate him!.
"Piggy on his way to his new home at the butcher shop. A memoral for piggy will be held Sunday at 6:00 PM at my rancher's barn. Bring your own beer.
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Leonard
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posted June 08, 2007 10:17 AM
That's a good one, Ronnie. I thought hogs were supposed to be smart?
I just feel for that poor woman! The squeals! The horror! No tip?
Good hunting. LB
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Rich Higgins
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posted June 08, 2007 01:35 PM
Ronnie, pop a cold one for me at the "memorial". ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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csmithers
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posted June 08, 2007 07:31 PM
3 Toes, please pardon my ignorance on the subject of aerial gunning as we have no such thing as Guvmint Trappers or ADC workers around here. And keep in mind that this is out of pure curiosity. Do you have someone on the ground rounding up the dead coyotes after aerial gunning? In the colder months do you skin them out or leave them?
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CrossJ
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posted June 08, 2007 10:43 PM
Ronnie, How do you have your trigger set up on your trap? The ones I have built have doors that drop down, and there are three in the front. Also, what is the quart sized container? Bait? I have always used corn, wondering if you may have a better idea.
Smithers, I can't speak for the others, but here in Oklahoma, the hides can only be retrieved by the land owner. I have never known anyone to take them. On occasion, some of the coyotes will be retrieved and blood will be drawn and sent to a lab for some sort of testing.
Maintain, Geordie
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Leonard
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posted June 08, 2007 11:18 PM
Yeah, I always heard there is some kind of regulation preventing the recovery of the animal for the purpose of harvesting the fur. True, or not?
Good hunting. LB
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3 Toes
El Guapo
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posted June 09, 2007 09:10 AM
No regulations on fur. Its just that if you put up any fur, the money from such goes back into your state or county program. So we do try to salvage any of the higher end stuff. Especially cats. But the trapper himself doesn't get to keep anything personally. As for most of our coyotes, it takes more time and work to put them up than they are actually worth. This just pertains to the USDA. State programs like Randy and Scotts have different rules, as did the private county program I used to work for.
Leonard, as for traps, snares, M44's etc. they are also great tools, but all have their limits. Traps require alot of maintanence. There is a chance of non target catches. You can't run a pile of traps, snares, and M44s in the middle of sheep pastures due to guard dogs and sheep. Likewise decoy dogs. Much public land also has policies against equipment on the ground. The aerial hunting is very target specific and area specific in our state. I really can't speak for another states program, (like Nevada) because I don't know the progarms and policies there.
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Randy Roede
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posted June 09, 2007 04:08 PM
One thing i would add to the fur collection or attempt to, most of our aerial work is in March to April the fur value is very little, we do salvage what we can when conditions allow.If I remember right on our fur sales sheets we usually average about $5-$10 a coyote on the ones we collect from groundwork to aerial.
Leonard even at those low prices we still are always aware of the public opinion on wasted fur and try to make an effort to collect it
For the most part here most of our work is done out of the fur season on most species.
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csmithers
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posted June 09, 2007 08:00 PM
Randy R "One thing i would add to the fur collection or attempt to, most of our aerial work is in March to April..."
Is the gunning done at this time of year due to calving or lambing season in your area and hence more damage calls?
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Randy Roede
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posted June 09, 2007 10:09 PM
Smithers-yes march april is the calving season and thus that is the busy time for me, I have very few sheep in my district, but the lambibg season is usually june, july timeframe here, it may vary a little, sometimes fall calvers etc.
The calving season keeps a person busy enough to push your beaver complaints to the May timeframe or later. Nothing better than working beaver in the summer months LOL.
The fur season is also the prime commercial hunting time of the year so equipment in the ground must be done with care.
You are right in the statement about my complaints that come in, the producers contact me by phone, either at my office or here at home. We stay in contact throughout the year. Nothing can ruin you or make you quicker than public relations. More than once I have solved complaints and never harvested an animal, plus left with great friendships.Some want numbers, some just want your concern!It's a great job I am not complaining.
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Tim Behle
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posted June 10, 2007 05:21 PM
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as we have no such thing as Guvmint Trappers or ADC workers around here.
That's why you don't have any cattle or sheep in MI, it's is impossible to raise livestock with out free Guvmint help.
Just ask those folks who make you pay check off dollars for every critter sold, even if you think their programs are a farce and want nothing to do with them, you still have to pay them
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Krustyklimber
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posted June 10, 2007 05:51 PM
Oh yeah... speaking of reading drivel on other boards.
I wish they hadn't locked us out of Coyote Gods, I couldn't cause no trouble just by reading! ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
Anybody wanna loan me your password? LOL
Krusty
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