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Bryan J
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posted March 23, 2008 08:55 AM
Anyone else going to be affected by this?
www.rubypipeline.com
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Leonard
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posted March 23, 2008 09:08 AM
Looks like it cuts across some of my favorite hunting areas? That can't be good?
Good hunting. LB
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Bryan J
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posted March 23, 2008 10:40 AM
That map is very vague and it is difficult to tell exactly where the route will be. So far I have seen two separate lines on maps here locally. One that they were showing at open houses, and a second one that surveyors were working from. Lots of coyote habitat along that line for sure. I have no clue how it will effect the hunting in the area, but I do know that it is difficult for me to hear howls in response to howls or sirens when I was in the same valley as one of those compressor stations.
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RagnCajn
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posted March 23, 2008 07:00 PM
Our best hunting comes from pipelines. It wont effect the game, but it will give you better visibility to make the shots.
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Bryan J
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posted March 24, 2008 09:33 AM
I’m finding myself in a sticky situation. Here is a google earth image. The property outlined in yellow is land that I farm. The blue line is the line on the maps at their open houses. The red line is close to what my dad saw on the map that the surveyors were working off of. The blue line goes right over my house on the corner there. The red goes right through the middle of my dads property and when it leaves it cuts through an irrigation ditch that will cut my water off to the neighboring property to the west. The project has yet to be approved by the FERC yet they, as a private company, are already talking about eminent domain for a project that passes through our community but doesn’t serve it.
I never thought that I would find myself aligned with the environmental extremists, but in order to protect my lively hood and the future potential development of my families land, I might have to. I could fight the proposed route and push the same problems that I face on to my neighbors. My other option is to join with the extremists and fight the whole project. I’m thinking of doing both.
Anyone with experience with this kind of thing?
[ March 24, 2008, 09:35 AM: Message edited by: Bryan J ]
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RagnCajn
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posted March 24, 2008 11:22 AM
I don't know about Utah, but round here they do not doze houses to lay a line. It will not effect your farm land. It will not stop the flow of water in the "Crick". I may be severely wrong, but I thnk you are driving your ducks to a dry pond here. There probably is not a single piece of property around here that does not have a line through it. No environmental issues.
The only thing prohibited in the line will be permanent structures and trees. The root systems and permanent structures will prevent them from doing repairs to the line if the need arises. The line will be layed 6-10 foot deep. There are lines running through pine plantations here. The land owners have garden spots in the line. Within a year, the grass will be grow back up and the line company will keep it cut (to prevent the growth of trees) and this will create a natural travel corridor for wildlife. If you are a deer hunter, get a stand erected on a high spot and you have a great place to wait for one.
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Leonard
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posted March 24, 2008 12:22 PM
Thats probably good advice, most places, Randy.
I don't know what Bryan has but it sure seems like it could cause some disruption in his routine?
The funny part is that you have no idea what it looks like across that part of Nevada. Sitting up on high ground overlooking the corridor for mule deer? Uh, that's not going to work. I can just see the route through the pine trees and gardens planted over the pipeline. It's stunted sagebrush, Amigo, any kind of tree is few and far between. I don't think that's the issue. There will be roads required where none exist. It will expose some primitive country to company vehicles and washboard roads.
You have to understand that the State of Nevada is the most remote this side of Alaska. Especially that northern section.
Who knows, you can't NIMBY everything.
Good hunting. LB
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RagnCajn
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posted March 24, 2008 12:32 PM
Not gonna be much different Leonard. They will run those line as straight as possible. The don't want any dog legs or bends in them. When they get ready to send a pig down the line, they don't want any obstructions to catch the pig. Once built, they won't need a road going to it. In fact they won't even need a road to build it. The line will be their road. Land owners can fence the line off at the property line and just put a lock on it. Having the pipeline does not grant tresspassing routes. The line workers will drive the line and around here they are strictly forbid from hunting the lines as part of their jobs.
NIMBY? This coonass needs an interpretation
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Leonard
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posted March 24, 2008 01:06 PM
Nimby: Not in my back yard. ILLUSTRATION: the residents of east LA didn't want a prison, even though like over 40% of the prison population is latino...so they have to drive several hundred miles out in the desert for their conjugal visits. Think how nice it would be if the family could walk to the prison?
Once a road is traveled in that Nevada terrain, it will be there for at least a couple hundred years. The Pony Express went through just south of there, and you can see it today, if you look hard, and that was HORSES. Whatever they do to build the pipeline, it WILL BE A ROAD, from now on, and it's (like) 90% BLM Land so there aren't any access issues. Anybody can hunt it, especially those Utes. We need a fence on that eastern border. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Good hunting. LB
edit: clarification. It's not once a "road" is traveled, it is driving anywhere out in the hardscrabble. The first vehicle to take off where there isn't a road, has just created a road. Many others will follow.
PS, This is a good reason to hold the next campout in Nevada. It's hard to describe. You need to see it.
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skoal
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posted March 24, 2008 01:17 PM
Randy Thats Kalifornian for "not in my back yard". some of the gas piplines give me access to areas I could not get to other wise I do have to get out and open and close gates..I dont know how it would affect a farming operation they surely would need to compensate the farmer for the disruption and easemant in those areas.
but as far as hunting goes they are a plus.
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Leonard
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posted March 24, 2008 01:33 PM
Typical northern Nevada after a hard rain grounded this eagle.
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skoal
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posted March 24, 2008 02:27 PM
Leonard
an area like that would that be best hunted at night as there seems to be no cover for man nor beat or even a vehicle?
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Bryan J
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posted March 24, 2008 04:00 PM
There is a place out west that would show exactly what Leonard is talking about. In this case there is a main road along the old railroad grade. The pipeline is 100 feet or so north of the main road, and is traveled regularly with a good gravel road going in the same direction not 100 feet away. In Leonard’s picture, if someone shot an antelope out by that rock and drove out to get it, there would soon be a camp spot there at the end of a well established two track road.
I’m sure they are not going to doze my house but I would prefer it over the red line. Depending on the time of year they are here will make a difference as far as my production goes during construction. Honestly that is down on my list of concerns right now, I will cross that bridge when and if we get there. They cut that ditch at the wrong time of year they shut me down period on that property. It is not a natural water way. There will be lasting effects to my families property, future development issues are only part of it. There are issues with a very old, unmarked drain system that keeps this area productive, without it we would be nothing but a salt flat. Lots of things that are different here than other places in the country.
When this is all done, I will still have to have propane trucked out to keep my house warm. After the construction is done, I’m sure that the LLC that is building it will cease to exist leaving me no place to go to resolve future, and I think probable, problems caused by the construction. In the meantime I will be watching for Utah Prairie Dogs and that Spotted Owl on the farm and surrounding area. LOL
RagnCajn, I do appreciate your efforts to put me at ease. I could be making a bigger deal out of this than it is. I wish I had a better map so I could show you the dog leg they are building into this thing. A straight line would follow an existing pipeline, avoid a lot of farm land, and take one mountain range out of the equation. It doesn’t make sense.
Leonard, Is the fence to keep Utahans in, or Kalifornians out? ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) Did you notice that the pipeline gets close to California, but never crosses that line?
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Leonard
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posted March 24, 2008 04:27 PM
Bryan, definitely keep Ute hordes out!
Did anybody notice that stupid eagle? I have to wonder why didn't he perch on one of those numerous pine trees? haha He looked like a drowned rat; I bothered him a little bit just trying to see how close he would let me approach, but he couldn't fly, or he would have.
Good hunting. LB
edit: tastes just like chicken
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CrossJ
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posted March 24, 2008 04:58 PM
Bryan, I understand your concern, but along the lines of what Randy said, the actual pipeline will probably not effect your farming operation. Most of those lines are put very deep to prevent disturbance. I have seen gas lines put under areas used for tillable agriculture. Most pielines are 'patrolled' from the air, so other than a few signs at property boundries, most dont even know they are there.
Also, the company owning and operating the pipeline will need an easement from you. Have you been approached by them regarding this? They are the ones who will have to deal with FERC. This is good, because there is no way for mere mortal man to work with FERC.
Anyway, I understand your concerns.
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JeremyKS
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posted March 24, 2008 05:39 PM
I agree with what has been said. In Kansas there are a lot of natural gas wells, in turn there are pipelines running everywhere. It does not affect day to day operation of agriculture. One thing is for sure don't let them on you with out a signed contract stating that you will be compensated for the damage done.
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Bryan J
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posted March 24, 2008 05:48 PM
LOL! Leonard, I knew that. You have not hidden the fact that Utah is your second favorite hunting destination. Second only to Kansas for a lot of the same reasons. You mean to tell me that you didn’t catch that eagle and take him to the nearest rescue shelter? Thanks I needed something to smile about.
Cross J, things are not that far along yet. From my understanding these initial lines are so they can apply to the FERC so environmental impact studies can “officially” begin. If everything goes as they are trying to “say” you are probably right and hope that you are. We are already seeing that what they say and do are separate things. This makes my imagination go bad.
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Bryan J
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posted March 26, 2008 02:38 PM
I apologize if I said anything out of line above. You guys have put my mind at ease a little at least as far as the long term effects to the farming operation. It is just a little overwhelming when I see a company willing to spend billions of dollars to build a project and part of it crosses property that I have interest in. This same project will limit future, and potentially more profitable, development options that could better benefit our immediate community than this pipeline will. To try and fight them in court on our own would essentially eat up my dads retirement as well as my operating capital and more. After all is said and done they will still build across the ground and pay next to nothing for the easement. To me it is more than a NIMBY situation, it is a rights of private property ownership issue, as owners of the property we should be able to negotiate our price if it is too high too bad go somewhere else. We fear that once this corridor is established others will follow.
If I was out of line in trying to find something to smile about I apologize. Your words of advise and understanding are appreciated.
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Leonard
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posted March 26, 2008 03:11 PM
Bryan, I don't see where you owe an apology to anyone?
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skoal
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posted March 26, 2008 03:21 PM
Bryan
I'd be less than delighted with the same prospect on my property. You bring up a good point about the appeal to future developments and the impact a pipeline may have. I dont know how it would effect you later maybe Randy has a better insight as his state is run over with piplines or under as the case may be.
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posted March 27, 2008 06:35 AM
There is an area a few miles from me that had a great deal. When the gas company came in to use some deep underground porus rock for gas storage all the land and home owners above the storage area got free gas as long as it was not for grain drying. Once the property sold the deal was off though.Of course a few farmers have been caught tapping in there grain bins to the gas and have been warned of termination.This past year they have came in our river bottoms and laid several miles of new pipe all contecting to a half dozen new unmanned boosting plants.
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Bryan J
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posted March 27, 2008 08:02 AM
Leonard, I guess I can blame my dad in a way. I have gotten wound up about gun and other issues in the past and written letters to the editor laced with attempts at humor. He has cautioned me over and over again that my humor is not well interpreted in print. So when it comes out in my posts I always wonder if it was taken in the spirit it was intended.
It would seem that we do have their attention. Our unique drain system that keeps us from becoming a huge salt flat may be our saving grace. They will cut through one every 400 feet and each one of those is a potential reason to have to come back and dig it back up to repair it. By their own admission most leaks are caused by people with backhoes. They assure us that they have a high level of concern about them.
Newbomb do you mind me asking what they paid? If you would rather not post it, here is my e-mail pwerx4d @ yahoo . Com. We have no clue where to start if this goes through us. One advantage they have is they are working with a bunch of rookies. I have been told that projects like this one budget less than 5% of total costs for easements. I think that is way low.
Thanks guys
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posted March 27, 2008 02:28 PM
Ill check around and see what was paid. Gimme a few days.
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Bryan J
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posted March 27, 2008 04:43 PM
Don’t do anything special newbomb, I thought this was on your land and you would know the numbers. I suspect that the landowners might not want the word to get out just in case they got a better deal than the neighbor. These guys have said that when it comes time to negotiate it will be on an individual basis. I’m sure I can do a little research on my own, local numbers would probably be more relevant anyway. Thanks
I got word today that they are exploring the possibility of going beside an existing petroleum line further to the south. I guess they grew weary of having 30 farmers and home owners waiting for them when they showed up at their appointments to gain access to survey. The first couple of times they were expecting one. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Brad Norman
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posted March 28, 2008 10:17 PM
Bryan, it will definitely affect you and your operations. They laid a pipeline across my property several years ago. While the terrain may not be the same as yours, under the terms of the contract, they were only allowed to "clear" so many feet across to make room for the pipeline. The company wound up clearing several hundred yards wider than they were allowed. I suppose this made things easier for them.
In my case, it destoyed hundreds of trees, many of which provided roosting areas for turkeys and cover for deer. After lawyers got involved, they had to pay for the damage they caused to the property.
They have to come in every so often to make sure the pipeline is clear of obstruction and clear it some more if they see the need. Now, I make sure someone is there to supervise the clearing.
As far as making a "good" hunting spot, if you hunt my pipeline, you may see a deer for a split second as he runs across. If you actually see a deer working your way, the pipeline patrol plane is sure to buzz by sending him elsewhere.
In other words, fight it like hell if you can.
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