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2dogs
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posted July 05, 2005 06:09 PM
The topic & discussion's of coywolf & coydog is an old one. I've seen one wolfdog, it was a co-worker's pet{ 1/2 Malamute & Grey Wolf, he was around 100lbs or better{looked mostly wolf, to me}.
Out hunting, over the yrs. I've seen a handfull, of canines, that appeared to be mixed with coyote & something else...I don't know.
Every one of them were on the large or very large size. They each looked different, but also had some similiar physical features & behaviors.
I've shared these stories with many people {coyote-hunters} mostly. Funny thing is, most... IMO don't or didn't believe me. Mostly their opinions were/are based on a coyote's breeding cycles & the general understanding that a dog tame/feral will not help rear the young. To name a few.
I don't buy into that personally, but anywho. I also don't believe these canines I saw in the wild, were once someone's pet. I surmise that people don't have all of the facts of whats really going on. Between feral dogs, coyotes & wolves.
Unless, of course...you know a coyguy or wolfman. Who could fill us all in.
[ July 05, 2005, 06:14 PM: Message edited by: 2dogs ]
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R.Shaw
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posted July 05, 2005 06:27 PM
I am not well read in this subject and can't say that I really want to be. But my common sense tells me if they are hybrids, where are the parents? Why aren't people catching or calling regular size coyotes and normal looking wolves?
Are you trying to say if a coyote is bigger than most, that coyote must have a little wolf dna in there somewhere?
Do know one thing for sure. It ain't evolution.
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Leonard
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posted July 05, 2005 06:55 PM
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I respect your opinion (just don’t agree with it)
CBGC
Yes, I know how you feel, and I feel exactly the same.
I believe this. If there was a big important court case; we WOULD see some well regarded expert dispute the findings of another well regarded, and perhaps higher paid, expert.
It has nothing to do with parentage. I firmly believe that all three species can interbreed, to a certain extent, under certain conditions.
Specifically. I do not believe that they can take an unknown animal and test the DNA, and "prove" that the animal is a hybred.
I am a diehard skeptic.
Good hunting. LB
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2dogs
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posted July 05, 2005 07:13 PM
R.Shaw,
If your talking to me. No, not saying that a 100%. I'm talking mostly of different shaped head, ears, muzzle, & tails. But mostly the entire head. But size in itself is interesting.
What are the odds, say of a purebred coyote{play along, on this one}. Not completely resembling a coyote & say, it weighs 60-70lbs, or even 50-60lbs. What exactly is it?? Why does it look different? ,ect ,ect.
I've seen roughly 600 coyotes give or take, over the yrs. I don't know what these things were.
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R.Shaw
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posted July 05, 2005 07:22 PM
I was not addressing anyone in particular. You meaning everyone in general.
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posted July 05, 2005 08:19 PM
How do you 'splain this one?
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I usually let the fur prime up before I leave 'em lay.
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posted July 05, 2005 08:31 PM
Ah yes, Weekend at Bernie's. Live coydog, dead evil twin.
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posted July 05, 2005 11:18 PM
That looks to have some sheep in it ![[Smile]](smile.gif) ...Sorta looks a little like,Jimmy Durante
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posted July 06, 2005 02:34 AM
Leonard,
I am glad you R a die hard skeptic, too many people just jump on the band wagon (boring).
Jay watched your video the other day, not too sure about some of the music and dancing but the footage and knowledge was awesome. Waiting to get a glimpse of the Higgins video???
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2dogs
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posted July 06, 2005 03:59 AM
Narrow, uterous opening. Or coydashound ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) .
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posted July 06, 2005 11:40 AM
Thanks for the words GBGC. It was a fun challenge making that video. One thing that I have noticed since making it is that I am seeing the word "Behavior" in all the videos now. Not saying I was first, but sure seems to be a buzzword lately. Have considered making one about Hunter Behavior and having the coyotes do all the dancing.
Funny thing about every time I see the word "Knowledge". I think back to the Cornhuskers College Football Team and the fellow that once told me that the "N" on their helmets stood for "knowledge". That was a cheap shot and I'm sorry. I promise I'll only tell that joke a few hundred more times because it still makes me laugh.
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posted July 06, 2005 11:52 AM
Yeah, made me chuckle, too. Jay, you are a sick man. Hey, enjoyed our conversation, this morning. Thanks, LB
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posted July 06, 2005 04:21 PM
Which one is the wolf???? They are not my pics but I thought they were pretty cool.
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posted July 06, 2005 04:55 PM
1 st is a yote
2 nd is a wolf
3 rd is a wolf ?????
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posted July 06, 2005 05:26 PM
How about this one?
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posted July 06, 2005 05:48 PM
1. Coyote
2. Wolf
3. Coyote
4. Coyote
I say 2 is because it has a lot more leg under it than the other. Just a WAG.
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posted July 06, 2005 06:12 PM
Wolf eyes always seem more intense and alert. Just a personal observation.
1 Coyote
2 Wolf
3 Coyote
4 Coyote
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R.Shaw
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posted July 06, 2005 06:58 PM
All coyotes.
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posted July 06, 2005 07:34 PM
all coyotes
What size of trap?
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posted July 06, 2005 07:57 PM
My guess on the trap is #3 os Bridger
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posted July 06, 2005 08:13 PM
R.Shaw and albert are correct....All coyotes, With a little red wolf DNA thrown in for good measure..
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posted July 07, 2005 02:54 AM
1 out 3 is not all that bad. Glad I dont make a liven at this. Still think 2 is a wolf?????
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Steve Craig
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posted July 07, 2005 06:51 AM
Mark Zaggers NY coyotes every one. Look at the feet people! Wolves have big feet. Big coyotes have small feet! A wolf foot would fill that #3 Bridger trap, and be overflowing.
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posted July 07, 2005 06:59 AM
Sorry, I can't 'splain that thing in the first photo. I can explain the coyote though.
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posted July 07, 2005 09:51 AM
I have to agree with Mr Craig. The first one, and the third one especially look like the typical coyote seen here in New Hampshire. Bigger body, neck with a smaller head, and more rounded, shorter ears. Exact coloration of most of them also.
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