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Leonard
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posted August 21, 2005 10:42 AM
Jack is a sweetie, no question. He can sure call a spade a spade. And, as far as the price of crude, well, that's pretty obvious.
I do think that Lance made a vary salient point about the enviro-wackos. We need stuff like high tension transmission lines, power plants, and more to the point of this discusion, refineries!
Did you hear the one about introducing African lions in the U.S.? These a$$holes won't be satisfied until we move back to Europe and turn back the clock 500 years.
Good hunting. LB
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Byron South
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posted August 21, 2005 11:17 AM
Lots of good points to ponder.
Lots of things affect oil prices, none of which Bush has much if any immediate control over. Its funny to me how easy it is to blame W for things he has little control over yet not give him credit for the things he has done. Sure the Middle East and OPEC control, to a certain extent, the price of oil. They also, for the most part in that part of the world, want all us infidels DEAD (OH yeah!! China is own our side too... NOT). With the worlds growing dependence on oil, the people that control the oil will have the most power. George Bush and others understand this. People can turn this around and say "Oh yeah, the war is all about oil and the money". My answer is, "YES IT IS". Our national defense depends on the control of power, and if we don't control the oil/money/power, then who will? We elect officials in this country because we are a representative democracy. Conservatives understand that money talks and bullshit walks. Liberal just wants everybody to hug and be nice. They need a ticket to wherever Mohamed - Atma is and have a good sit down with him and his sharp knife. I'm sure he will be impressed with their intellect maybe even go to star bucks together for a Lata' before he cuts their head off for the evening news. The sooner these people in the Middle East understand they need us and we don't need them the power struggle will tilt in our favor. The industrialized nations in the world control the money for now, with the United States being the leader. The Islamic countries control the oil and if not dealt with they will soon have the money too. What happens then? What happens if or when China becomes the leading industrialized nation?
The oil business is a tough business. Right now is a good time for them and many of these companies are spending billions (Which by the way goes right back into the economy) on exploration and alternatives to be able to compete in the future. I, being from the oil patch of East Texas have seen what low oil prices and high oil prices can do to a local economy. Back in the eighties when the oil boom crashed you couldn't buy a job here. Many companies laid people off and closed shop. This had a ripple effect that went all the way to the guys sacking groceries. The ripple didn't stop locally though. Many companies in other parts of the country produced goods and services that we needed (Trucks, pipe, tools ect...). They eventually felt the impact as well. Now that oil prices are good, many Texas companies are blowing and going, hiring employees for exploration, production, and most of all maintenance of equipment used to produce more. When times are good for these companies and it has a positive effect on the economy. More jobs = more money changing hands (Trickle down)= more tax revenue to the federal government.
Our dependence on foreign oil is in large part is because of stupid laws passed by politicians spouting half-baked science. These laws have made it so difficult and expensive for companies to produce oil in this country that it is very difficult for these companies to compete without turning their attention to countries with less stringent criteria for producing oil (Thus making it cheaper to you the consumer). It has been almost thirty years since we have built a new refinery in this country. Why? Because of stupid laws passed by greedy politicians backed by special interest groups pushing half baked science. Fact are with modern technology there is no excuse not to drill more wells, produce more oil, build state of the art, clean, safe refinery's. There is plenty of proof that this can be done without a negative impact on the environment, wildlife, or the ecology. (Look at the Alaskan pipeline for a good example) This would translate into more jobs, cheaper gas, and less dependence. This, coupled with stamping out these Islamic whackos in the oil fields “WE” developed in foreign countries we will continue to be the greatest country in the world.
Yep it’s all about the oil and until we come with an alternative that the world (not just America) will embrace it will continue to be about oil. Consumers drive free market economies not rich oil companies.
George Bush, Anti-Christ? Wonder where that come from? Must be true though Rich read it in print. Repeating crap like this is what gives it legs.
Man, That was a lot of typing for two fingers.
George Bush ain’t perfect but thank God he is our president and not AL Gore
God bless George Bush, and the United States of America. And while I’m talking with you God could you give Bill Mayer’s (SP) a good case of crabs. Help our soldiers kill them before they kill them our kids or us. AMEM.
[ August 21, 2005, 09:28 PM: Message edited by: Byron South ]
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TheHuntedOne
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posted August 21, 2005 11:36 AM
BS. The US inports less than 42% of it's oil from OPEC Countries.
Of the US Oil Companies in the United States, only half of them import curde from Opec. Half do not import any crude oil from OPEC nations.
The tax on a gallon of gas has nothing to do with the increase in prices. The tax is fixed. It is not a percentage.
Oil is sold on the Comodities Futures Market. That means they are bidding on and buying oil that will not even be delivered for 3 months at a minimum, yet when the price of crude goes up two bucks a barrel, the price of gas goes up the next day.
How come when the price of crude goes down two bucks a barrel, the price of gas does not go down the next day also?
Oh yeah, I forgot - this discussion is over ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Silly me for butting in.
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Rich Higgins
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posted August 21, 2005 11:49 AM
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George Bush, Anti-Christ? Wonder where that come from? Must be true though Rich read it in print. Repeating crap like this is what gives it legs.
Apparently your intent is to give it legs, since you repeated it again.
If your reading comprehension had been operating at the same level as your outrage you would have been cognizant of the fact that I stated that the Pope ""REPORTEDLY"" made the statement about GWB.
The newspaper attributed that jewel to one of the Pope's secretaries.
Take it for what it is worth.
Most reasonably intelligent adults do.
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Rich Higgins
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posted August 21, 2005 11:56 AM
Al, apparently you ignored the thunder and lightning that accompanied Jacks proclamation.
Good. Interesting numbers.
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Rich
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posted August 21, 2005 11:59 AM
Rich Higgins,
I went over to google and did a search like you suggested. Holy Toledo, no wonder that rumor made in to your newspaper. Looks like a rumor with no proof either way. Just a bunch of those "end of the world" kooks with their wacky opinions. Someday one of those kooks is gonna be right.
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Rich Higgins
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posted August 21, 2005 12:06 PM
Rich, I didn't do a google. I'll take a look a little later.
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Byron South
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posted August 21, 2005 12:55 PM
Rich,
I wasn't digging at you. Just get very tired of hearing how all the worlds’ problems are tied to George Bush and the republican party. Crazy rumors like Bush being the Anti-Christ is crap. There is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. The point I was trying to make is that people in the media repeating this stuff is what gives it legs, and to some dumb asses credibility.. You stated, "John Paul reportedly stated, just before he died, that he thought Bush was the Anti-Christ as foretold in Revelations." Never mentioned his secretary. My intent was not to give it legs but to point out the absurdity of it. I agree that most reasonable people see the absurdity of the statement and I hope that includes me. Again, there is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension, in fact I'm can usually do a pretty good job of reading between the lines.
I have no idea of how to solve these "Horrible" problems with gas prices or for that matter most of the worlds problems. I do however have faith in the conservative ideas that is responsible for making this country the strongest in the world. Our elected politicians and diplomats control how we deal with other countries and I believe it's high time we make a stand and not let countries with interest, other than ours, dictate what ours is.
Byron
[ August 21, 2005, 09:22 PM: Message edited by: Byron South ]
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Leonard
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posted August 21, 2005 01:09 PM
To my knowledge, it is virtually impossible to be a hunter and a liberal Democrat? The exception that proves the point is JohnHenry. Boy! do I ever feel fortunate that Al Gore didn't win, or even worse; Honest John Kerry.
I think Byron has made some excellent points, but somebody needs to show him how to use the "enter" key.
I do not believe, for a second that John Paul II never said anything about Bush being the antiChrist. The short list of the usual suspects circulating that rumor would include George Soros, Michael Moore, Al Franken, or the New York Times? Fortunately: RED STATES RULE!
Hillary really IS the antiChrist!
Good hunting. LB
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Byron South
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posted August 21, 2005 02:08 PM
Thanks Leonard. Enter key? What did I do? Who's John Kerry? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
I saw on the news this weekend where in real dollars gas was higher in the 80's than it is right now. I'm sure higher gas prices will effect some peoples lifestyles to a certain degree but for the most part I think it has been blown way out of proportion. Even with prices the way they are, my fuel bills are the smallest bills I have. How come people don't bitch and blame the government for the high price of automobiles. Oh yeah!!!never mind....that would make the unions mad. No win situation. Sing along.... You know the words.... Look for the Union label..... Ohhh!!! Look!!!!! the sky is falling...... ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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TheHuntedOne
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posted August 21, 2005 03:47 PM
If you lived in New Hampshire, instead of Texas, you might be a bit more concerned about the cost of oil.
But nevermind.
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posted August 21, 2005 05:35 PM
I spent over seven years working in PA, CT, MA, and upstate NY. Been thru some nasty ice storms during that time. More than 90% of the homes there have oil furnaces. It's going to be an expensive winter for them.
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Jack Roberts
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posted August 21, 2005 06:18 PM
Leonard,
"I do not believe, for a second that John Paul II never said anything about Bush being the antiChrist."
Shouldn't that read; I do not believe, for a second that John Paul ever said anything about Bush being the antiChrist?
Jack
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TheHuntedOne
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posted August 21, 2005 07:05 PM
Gee, Thanks NASA - I needed that
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Gerald Stewart
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posted August 21, 2005 07:10 PM
Wait a minute I thought Sadat, Reagan or Clinton was supposed to be the Anti Christ? ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
"Forgive my pun Leonard but this is....well....a deep subject. Your gonna get some guys off on a tirade bringing this kind of stuff up."
What did I tell you Leonard....I go away for a weekend at the lease and come back to an almost uncivil conversation.
Byron....using the enter button helps you create paragraphs. Evidently Leonard can not stop reading long enough to catch his breath if there are not any paragraph breaks..... ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
I will head you off at the pass leonard by saying....no I did not. I took plenty of extra underwear.
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Byron South
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posted August 21, 2005 07:39 PM
Thanks for clearing that up Gerald. I'll try and do better Leonard.
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Leonard
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posted August 21, 2005 09:00 PM
Come on, I'm a fairly tolerant guy. I only brought it up to help the members read and comprehend more easily not because I couldn't read that endless paragraph. But have you ever received an email that contains an encripted photo that you cannot decode and it is covered with symbols and letters of the alphabet? But the real reason that I use punctuation and paragraphs is so people do not misunderstand what I wrote. Separating one thought from another usually helps everybody, but not in every case and it is not that I require it, like it is part of the terms of service or anything like that? I would never stoop to that level and I was more or less just making a joke with Byron whom I am sure didn't take it the wrong way? I hope not anyway. Because if he did I would certainly apoligize because he is a good guy and I certainly would not want to offend him even if he was not such a good guy. Some people I don't know maybe I would not care but not a good old boy like Bryan. Or Gerald either since he is also one. I mean that he is a good old boy but not necessarily any better or worse than Bryan of course. And I know that using the enter key involves a little more work and hey why make things any harder than they already are? To each his own I say. Always have said that as a matter of fact. But you know some things are not worth bringing up if you know what I mean? So that is why I would just as soon forget the whole thing and quit babysitting these guys, If they can not read something the way it is written then I say that is just too doggone bad. Anyway this is getting to be too long and I appoligize for that but thought a short note to clarify my remark would be of help but maybe it does not help? If it does I guess it is worth the effort and if not well that is the way the cookie crumbles if you have ever heard that expression? But anyway I won't take the time to explain it because it really isn't that important so I hope again that this is clear because I can't think of any other way of saying it.
Good hunting. LB
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Byron South
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posted August 21, 2005 09:20 PM
Leonard,
Thanks, but there was no need. My writing skills, spelling and grammar are certainly not as good as they should be. Cut school too much. I, like most wished I had paid more attention when I was in school. I willingly take constructive criticism.
Byron
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Leonard
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posted August 21, 2005 11:50 PM
Jack, I saw the same foulup but decided to let it go and see if somebody would catch it.
Byron, good sport. No disrespect intended.
Good hunting. LB
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Jay Nistetter
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posted August 24, 2005 10:52 AM
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The high oil prices in the late seventies early eighties was directly responsible for me getting involved in competitive shooting because the high cost of gas for frequent weekend hunting trips became cost prohibitive.
This may become the case now, or I'll at least limit my stands to places I can drive my Buick. I wonder if I can get an elk in the trunk.
Will we see an increase in deer/antelope decimation due to increased coyote populations because of high oil prices and predator caller not being able to do their job?
What we need is a video "Calling Coyotes On A Budget".
A second thought would be to eliminate predator calling in the East altogether because it is a proven fact that it is just a waste of petroleum.
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Leonard
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posted August 24, 2005 10:59 AM
That's the truth, ***! What a waste of resources!
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TheHuntedOne
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posted August 24, 2005 11:56 AM
Oh man, twice in one thread, maybe three times. That hurt. If I can't coyote hunt, I will have to stay home with the wife and kids.
All they want to do is spend money and have me fix things.
Please don't ban coyote hunting in the east.
Please
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Leonard
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posted August 24, 2005 03:13 PM
THO, learn to take your lumps like we Californians do, and Texans; who richly deserve it.
(just kidding)
Good hunting. LB
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