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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on June 20, 2004, 09:55 AM:
I kind of enjoyed the little contest that Varmit Hunter Started up. I really enjoyed reading the responses.
So when I screwed up Fathers day for this little dog this morning, it came to my mind that I ought to do something along the same lines.
But I don't have a fancy set of scales, and I don't have anything I feel like giving away.
But I have a range finder, and I ranged this little coyote before I touched the trigger.
So here's the deal, who ever can come closest to the exact yardage that the 162 grain Amax had to travel, I'll donate $10 to the Predator Callers Hall of Fame in your name.
Three days is long enough, I'll post the range and winner Wednesday night.
Tim
Posted by Crow Woman (Member # 157) on June 20, 2004, 10:24 AM:
oooo... let me guess... 162 yards... that's my guess and I'm sticking to it ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on June 20, 2004, 11:17 AM:
That 162 grain Amax traveled 461 yards.
Just for kicks, 16 lbs. 8oz.
Posted by COONASS (Member # 299) on June 20, 2004, 11:38 AM:
By the looks of da hindquarter shot........ He must of been at least 527.7 yards... With a cross wind of 19.5 knots... ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on June 20, 2004, 02:04 PM:
That prime furred specimen, was ranged and shot at 627 yards.
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on June 20, 2004, 03:12 PM:
SinceI know you are a very good marksman, since it had to be far enough away that you thought you were making a head shot when you shot it in the ass, since you would be able to tell the difference at less than 500 yards, I'll take that number. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 20, 2004, 04:16 PM:
What a runt. Texas has bigger rats. 403 yards, with a 15 MPH crosswind.
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on June 20, 2004, 04:25 PM:
Well I'd like to guess 212 yds... but I know from reading Q's stories... you guys don't bother rangefinding "close ones" like that.
I'll stick to my algorithimic method of picking numbers... and say;
313 Final answer.
Krusty 
Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on June 20, 2004, 04:27 PM:
Now this is really a guessing match! I'll go 435 yds.
Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on June 20, 2004, 06:04 PM:
357 yards.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 20, 2004, 09:40 PM:
FILL IN THE GAPS! HA!
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on June 21, 2004, 05:23 AM:
628 yds.
- DAA
Posted by nd coyote killer (Member # 40) on June 21, 2004, 06:23 AM:
391 yds final answer
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on June 21, 2004, 07:36 PM:
Rich,
I didn't shoot him in the ass. That would be the exit wound.
I thought about making up a neat story to go along with it about how I was out working for Uncle Sammy and I found him putting the stalk on a bunch of Lambs. So I turned the Airdork nation loose to toll him back for a quick clean kill.
But I decided if some one wants to get filled with crap they can go to a different board.
Truth is, we both showed up in the same general area looking for Jack Rabbits. I just happened to spot him before he spotted me. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 21, 2004, 10:49 PM:
Remember his previous signature? If I kill him at 1500 yards, will you go get him? (something like that?)
Maybe he did?
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on June 22, 2004, 04:55 AM:
Don't worry Leonard, My record for a coyote kill is just under 900 yards. This coyote didn't set any records. He just stood still for too long.
Does that help narrow it down for you ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on June 22, 2004, 05:29 AM:
Tim, and others that may know. Where did this term "tolling dog" come from? I have been around decoy dogs or denning dogs a long time but until black board reading had never heard of a "tolling" dog. It may just be something different up here or I just missed something along the way. Just one of those curiosity deals.
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on June 22, 2004, 07:14 AM:
Good question Cal. Best as I can determine, it is apparently a highly trained dog that charges for a service, privilege, or a tax and then rings a bell?
Posted by Brad Norman (Member # 234) on June 22, 2004, 07:38 AM:
Cal- I believe the term came from Nova Scotia. There is a waterfowling dog that is called a Nova Scotia duck toller. They are red in color and about the size of a fox. Apparently, they run around on the bank of a lake and swim around the edges. The ducks would come over to investigate probably thinking a fox was going to get their nest or ducklings. When the ducks got in range the hunters would shoot them. I know this sounds unbelieveable but look them up. That's my best guess.
Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on June 22, 2004, 09:12 AM:
Brad you are 100% correct on the dogs.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 22, 2004, 10:39 AM:
So, "The Nation" is highly trained?
Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on June 22, 2004, 11:05 AM:
I'll be damned........
And I thought all this time that an Okie couldn't teach me anything !
LOL! Thanks Brad.
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on June 22, 2004, 11:05 AM:
When I first hear it, I had wondered about the term tolling dogs, so I looked up the word tolling in the online dictionary.
Here's what it says;
Main Entry 3: toll
Variant(s): or tole /'tOl/
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): tolled or toled; toll·ing or tol·ing
Etymology: Middle English tollen, tolen; akin to Old English fortyllan to seduce
1 : ALLURE, ENTICE
2 a : to entice (game) to approach b : to attract (fish) with scattered bait c : to lead or attract (domestic animals) to a desired point
Apparently it goes back a long ways.
Krusty
Posted by bucksnort (Member # 202) on June 22, 2004, 04:25 PM:
Tell you a little story. Tim and I was out last fall, and he brought "THE GUN" with him. I bitched and moaned because it is not trailer mounted, and barely fit in my Suburban. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
He said he had to shoot up 20 rounds to reload for a match the following weekend. I am here to tell ya, he can flat shoot that gun. Hell, it takes a round the size of "Heinz Katcup Bottle".
I would point out a rock, I mean, waaaayyyyy out there, and tell him to hit it. He didn't miss one single shot. He was shooting like 700 to 1000 yards with that THING. And since he is going to "Pony Up" some money to the Hall of Fame, I will not venture a guess.
Leonard, quote:
So, "The Nation" is highly trained?
You have to be "scattin me."
Take care.
[ June 22, 2004, 05:06 PM: Message edited by: bucksnort ]
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on June 22, 2004, 05:00 PM:
Cal,
I don't know where they came up with those weird answers. But I have been in the company of what I'm told are the best tolling dogs ever produced.
Tolling dogs are nothing more than Airdorks allowed to run amuck. They love to jump on your rifle and scope with muddy wet feet, slobber on your neck between stands, because they are too valuable to ride in a dog box, And will chase after anything that runs from them. Including, but not limited to horses, cattle, deer, rabbits, javalina and coyotes. They'll run them plumb out of sight and ignore all of your pleading to return until they have run them at least a mile.
You should buy a couple, they will save you a ton of money wasted on ammo each year.
Edit:
I forgot to mention, they also understand English. All you have to do is tell them what you want to hunt each morning, Coyotes, Lions or Bear, and they will understand and hunt only that. Each with about equal success.
[ June 22, 2004, 05:04 PM: Message edited by: Tim Behle ]
Posted by Norm (Member # 240) on June 22, 2004, 05:09 PM:
Tim, that coyote was about 5yds away when you took the picture.....
As for how fir away he were when you shot him.... I am going to venture that you pulled the trigger when he was in the neighborhood of 342 yds from the muzzle of your rifle....
Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on June 22, 2004, 06:50 PM:
Tim, Thanks for the clarification. That enlightens me considerable in the ways of tolling dogs. I will have to stick to my "denning/decoy" dogs. They ride in a dog box and are only allowed after coyotes or there are some severe consiquences. They will make a pass at an occasional rabbit if they aren't worked enough, but they know better and come right back. They will work a coyote back with considerable finesse on most occasions and haven't been accused of running many out of the country. Actually a couple guys here have seen my dogs and might even vouch for me. They actually up my ammo use most of the time. But in the world of coyotes and Higgins, there are no always'.
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on June 22, 2004, 08:14 PM:
I remember sitting behind the camera, watching Cal's dogs work and wondering how the hell a man goes about training a dog to do that. One ranges several hundred yards out, looking for all the world like it is just goofing off, instead of on a mission. The other ranges close by. When a coyote shows they both work together. It is a thing of beauty to watch. The long ranging dog will make an oblique pass by a coyote, kinda like Scott does to us on the board, to draw him in. When the coyotes check up the dog makes a studied display of examining a bush or a hole, totally ignoring the coyotes. The dog just piddled around in front of them until they approached again. How the hell do you train a dog to do that?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 22, 2004, 10:27 PM:
Yeah? Well, how did you "teach" Mady to do what she does?
Posted by elpasotbagger (Member # 349) on June 22, 2004, 11:28 PM:
dam thats ugly.
440 yds
and it was the third shot that hit him.
Tom Bagger
Posted by RanUtah (Member # 18) on June 23, 2004, 12:06 PM:
Define the word "vouch" LOL
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on June 23, 2004, 02:24 PM:
Actually Leonard, I didn't train Mattie to work the coyotes. She is extremely protective of all that she owns and surveys and she prefers not to share any of it with coyotes. She is small enough not be intimidating to most coyotes which also curbs her aggressiveness. All in all it makes for some entertaining video. Whole 'nuther ball game with Cal' dogs. Mine are more like J-H's airedales. From what I hear and see on video and pics his dogs are just big pets that he dearly loves and takes calling with him because they enjoy it so. Same reason I take Phoebe. Mostly they are not an asset on stand but occasionally they will bring in coyotes and elicit behavior that is so spectacular that it pays their way for a while. J-H posted some pics last month of a dust-up between his dogs and several coyotes that to a photographer, are the equivilant of a seven point royal to an elk hunter. When I nail behavior like that on video it keeps me smiling for days.
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on June 23, 2004, 07:14 PM:
Dang Vic, You had me worried there for a while.
Of the three digits, you hit two of them right out of the box.
Then you let Dave kick your butt by only one yard!
The Answer I was looking for was 727 yards. I held a foot in front of his nose for the wind, and took him right in front of the shoulder.
It was actually the second shot that took him. At that range, my Bushnell YP1000 can't pick up a coyote. I have to range the brush around him. The nearest bush was between us at just over 700 yards. I guessed him to be 50 yards beyond the bush and shot over him. He moved just a little ways, and held up for a second shot. I ranged the brush just to the right of where my wife is standing, and dialed 17 3/4 MOA into the scope. The 25 yard difference in the first and second shots, meant a full Minute of angle for the bullet to hit.
He only moved a couple of yards from the point of impact. Just below my wife's left knee is the place he was standing when I shot. A couple of inches from her toes is where I picked him up.
The Red circle shows where I was sitting. Here is a closer picture. 
There is a little "cave" there, just big enough to sit back in and stay in the shade until noon if the rabbits are running good. 500 yards directly in front of my hide is a water tank, that tends to be surrounded by Jackrabbits in the mornings and makes for a lot of fun shooting.
The coyote was just a bonus. He showed up looking for the same rabbits I was looking for.
I'll have the wife send a $10 Check in the name of DAA to the Predator Callers Hall of Fame first thing in the morning.
Thanks for your guesses. I may be easily entertained, but this has been great!
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on June 23, 2004, 07:30 PM:
Tim, you didn't say what caliber you were shooting. 162 grs. would probably be 7MM. Which one?
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on June 23, 2004, 07:44 PM:
I'm sorry. It's a 7mm Remington Magnum, with a 26" barrel and 9.5 twist. The stock is Glass bedded and shot off of a 27"S Harris Bipod, with a leupold 6.5-20X50 scope. The 162 Grain Amax bullets are pushed by 64 grains of H1000 in Norma brass at 2781 FPS.
What did I forget?
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on June 23, 2004, 08:40 PM:
Did you "utilize" it?
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on June 23, 2004, 08:49 PM:
Hell yeah. I took his picture and raised $10 for the Hall of Fame. What happened to the last coyote you shot? ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on June 23, 2004, 09:21 PM:
You got me there pal:) I stand corrected. Honest to christ Tim....its dejavu....I had 727 as my first swag too, no shit.
Pretty fair shooting my friend, I don't believe I can recall shooting anything, that far away. Did it bang/flop, or spin and run?
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on June 24, 2004, 04:19 AM:
It was more of a spin and tip. I heard the hit before I could get him back in the scope. When I did he was spinning and biting at his butt. I thought I hit him too far back at first and worked the bolt. About the time I closed the bolt, the coyote quit spinning for just a second and tipped over dead.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on June 24, 2004, 05:49 AM:
Dang fine shooting!
- DAA
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on June 24, 2004, 06:40 AM:
What Dave said. 27 in Harris, does that mean you shot from a sitting position? No way I could do that.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 24, 2004, 10:08 AM:
I'm not seeing the pics? As described, I think I know the spot. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
LB
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on June 25, 2004, 05:13 AM:
Rich,
Most of the places I shoot rabbits from are too rocky to shoot prone. The rocks kill your belly and most angles would have something blocking the barrel. I've a couple of places that I shoot from behind a rock in a standing position with the bipod. But most frequently shoot with the bipod extended from a sitting position. I use my left hand on the sling to pull the rifle down and back into my shoulder and it seems to work pretty well for me.
Posted by Norm (Member # 240) on June 25, 2004, 09:09 AM:
Tim;
Now that the pictures have arrived... I have to question your original intent....
You took your beautiful wife out into the middle of the desert to sit in a cave like structure in the rocks for the purpose of shooting jack rabbits? Sounds like an excuse to me
Good shooting...
Sounds like you need a better range finder...
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 25, 2004, 09:30 AM:
Any time I see tennis shoe foot prints out in the desert, I figure it's a wetback....or Vic!
edit: I don't remember exactly how the subject came up, but Vic told me how he happened to be wearing his teni's in the coyote gods video. Perfectly understandable, and was not his normal hunting costume. Poor guy said he has been hammered pretty bad about those shoes!
Good hunting. LB
[ June 25, 2004, 09:38 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on June 25, 2004, 12:54 PM:
His bright white Nikes are my favorite part of the video (as I count how many paces to the bobcat), along with his stellar call blowing skills! LOL
I actually like the video a lot and watch a little bit of it now and then, I rarely have time to watch the whole mini-series in one sitting though.
Krusty
Posted by Curt2u (Member # 74) on June 26, 2004, 08:08 AM:
Excellent shooting Tim. Congrats on thinning the ugly coyote gene pool. The thought of that ugly dude breeding more like him next year gives me bad dreams. LOL!
That would be a tough shot laying down even. Good work!
Take care, Curt
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