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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 09, 2005, 05:13 AM:
They made it. Discovery is home. Only in America!!!
Posted by Alaskan Yoter (Member # 169) on August 09, 2005, 05:50 AM:
Do you ever sleep? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Yipper good to see this one down.
Posted by keekee (Member # 465) on August 09, 2005, 08:46 AM:
Yep! Just seen it on tv! Good to see them make it back ok!
Brent
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 09, 2005, 09:24 AM:
Wheew! We were all holding our breath on that one. Edwards AFB got them out of the air ASAP, even though Kennedy SC was open.
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on August 09, 2005, 11:25 AM:
Yup, I seen em touch down on T.V. Our old buddy NASA did it again.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 09, 2005, 01:13 PM:
Yeah, we can all breathe a sigh of relief.
They need to reassess the program. Like the last trip; children's experiments. I'm sorry, this is not a valid reason for the risks and the expense.
Time to develop the new technology they have been talking about, and retire the Shuttle.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 09, 2005, 01:54 PM:
Leonard,
I agree on most points there, especially the one about the importance of children's experiments and moving onto the next generation of shbuttles. But, how much of the time that those missions have been up do you suppose they've been doing important stuff like (re)positioning satellites and the like to watch over our friends in the Middle East? I think that there's a lot more going on with them when they're up as far as national security goes that we simply don't know about. And I think that this program is what gives us such an edge on our competitiors in the world. And it's a big part of why the Chinese getting into space is so concerning to so many. Just a thought.
Oh, and Todd, they landed at 7:10 a.m. my time. I'd been up for an hour. Best part of the day, man.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 09, 2005, 02:12 PM:
Well, I don't know if you have seen the proposals, Lance?
They want to position the crew and payload above the rockets and use parachutes and land in water, all in the name of safety. I am 100% in agreement with maintaining our status in space, as long as we are moving on to new endevors, completing the space station and using it as a jump off point to Mars and beyond....if we can do these things and reduce risks to the crew.
We can have 100 successes and one failure, and the failure is what we remember, and (of course) the Dems start a lynch party.
The shuttle is old and risky. It's time to face reality. Develop other launch vehicles, or hang it up.
That's my word. (with apologies to John Gibson)
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Byron South (Member # 213) on August 09, 2005, 02:21 PM:
Glad they made it. I remember where I was when the last one crashed. I was coyote hunting on a big ranch out in West Texas when my buddy (Bucky) say's "WHAT WAS THAT" I said "What" he said "YOU DIDN'T HEAR THAT? IT SOUNDED LIKE A BOMB GOING OFF". Heck I'm deff as a door knob (Shooting without protection) Come to find out it was the shuttle and it sprayed debris all over Texas. With my luck I glad a piece didn't hit me in the head. Can you imagine the anxiety on that shuttle as they entered the atmosphere? Sure glad they made it.
[ August 09, 2005, 02:24 PM: Message edited by: Byron South ]
Posted by Byron South (Member # 213) on August 09, 2005, 02:28 PM:
Leonard,
Weve had two failures. One blew apart shortly after take off in the mid 80's, but that is still a good track record considering the task at hand.
Byron
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on August 09, 2005, 02:51 PM:
Guess, I'm the only [black-sheep] on this one. I heard a couple of yrs ago. It costs us taxpayers around 65-million, just to launch that bird.
Geez, wonder what else that could've went towards, Hmmmm. I do believe however, we should have a space program. But not like the one, thats operating now. To much fluff,...IMB.
It doesn't amaze me, of all the [swinging meat] in this World. As well as the toys they need. I've seen the same things many times in my own home town, go figure ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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OK boys, put the boot to me
black-sheep kirby ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Posted by Gerald Stewart (Member # 162) on August 09, 2005, 02:53 PM:
Hey Byron, We were hunting on the Krooked River Ranch north of Abilene and heard it. I thought the rock quarry right down the way from the ranch must have been using some mighty big Dynamite.
When we got back to the lodge it was on the big screen TV. I'll never forget it just like the first one in the 80's. You were in diapers then weren't you? ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by Gerald Stewart (Member # 162) on August 09, 2005, 02:57 PM:
2dogs, I am very pro space program because of all of the advancements in technology due to that effort. Hell Clinton spent $65,000,000 taking 1000 people to China for vacation. What did we learn from that?
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on August 09, 2005, 03:15 PM:
"Power corrupts, Absolute power...Corrupts absolutely"...........Author?
Leonard, I'm guessing you've been around the block...A few times, eh. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
[ August 09, 2005, 03:18 PM: Message edited by: 2dogs ]
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on August 09, 2005, 03:34 PM:
2dogs,
Jay once told me that Leonard got his predator hunting start while hunting for Saber Toothed tigers while riding on the back of a modified Wooly Mammoth ( The original California rig ) One guy would drive the mammoth, while one blew the call and held a big shiny quartz to redirect the moonlight into the Animals eyes. He said Leonard was the best spear chucker of his time!
He hasn't just been around the block, he made wheels out of them!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 09, 2005, 03:57 PM:
I was the technical adviser on "Quest for Fire".
These young pups have no respect. <sheesh>
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on August 09, 2005, 04:05 PM:
Tim, Was Leonard a youth then??? or old?
RATS!! I want a video of that ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on August 09, 2005, 04:09 PM:
Spear chucker? Spears were not invented at the time, we used rocks. Where do you think the phrase Rock & Roll-em come from.
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on August 09, 2005, 04:14 PM:
WHOOPS!, sorry Leonard. I meant that at Gerald.
I have cataracts can't read to swell.
But......BTW Leonard, is that really true, about the Sabor Tooth Tigers ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 09, 2005, 04:33 PM:
"I think that there's a lot more going on with them (shuttle) when they're up as far as national security goes that we simply don't know about."
Lance, more than you know. Much more than can be talked about.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 09, 2005, 05:27 PM:
You betcha, Nasa, and 2dogs, I'm all for the money we spend on the space program despite what the liberals contend we could do with all that money. Fact is, the technological developments that have come from NASA are what make our standard of living in this country what it is. I work hard - just like you. And my reward is that I can afford a few of those advances rather than spend more of my time making money for entitlement programs to support the people that don't see a need for space exploration. Or, making an honest day's wage for an honest day's work. Or, not getting food stamps. Or, ... you get my point. Another truth is that without the technical edge we have over the rest of the world because of the shuttle program, we wouldn't be able to support the millions who choose not to support themselves in the first place. That shuttle program is what has allowed us to operate militarily the way we do. Two and a half years in a hangar has hobbled us a bit.
Laonard, I agree with you wholeheartedly. My truck is only ten years old while those shuttles are around thirty. Despite its "youth", I'd never dream about driving it as far as they took that shuttle this week. Maybe they need to make a "Ford" shuttle!!!
[ August 09, 2005, 05:28 PM: Message edited by: Cdog911 ]
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on August 09, 2005, 06:02 PM:
Cdog911,
Not everyone, thats not "into" the shuttle is a "liberal" LOL!, you know that though.
---------
Touching on "welfare" Not [all] that are on it...Are "slackers"...well known as per usual.
"Children have no say"
There are...we all know. Pleanty of "dung-parents" out there. That don't give a "rats carcass", about [working] or [parental-responsibility]...thus putting their kids through a tough life...Been there, done that. Didn't volunteer as a kid neither.
Thats why, I was laying on the couch...next to Gerald, whilst he was confessing about" spinners". Un-beknownst to Gerald .
Need more anger management class's ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
Almost healed-kirby
[ August 09, 2005, 06:03 PM: Message edited by: 2dogs ]
Posted by Byron South (Member # 213) on August 09, 2005, 06:07 PM:
Gerald,
I was just North of you around Crowel (Foard county). When we got back to the cabin was when we discovered what had happened and what the sound was. My wife was at home in East Texas and thought a huge wreck had happened. She said the sound rattled the windows.
When the first one exploded in the 80's I was on a construction job in Dallas ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
.
Byron
Posted by Todd Woodall (Member # 439) on August 09, 2005, 06:38 PM:
When Challenger blew up I was watching it on TV in the classroom. We had written to the teacher on the shuttle, they brought in a TV for the special event. You can imagine the horror as 20 little kids watch it all unfold.
Jeff and I were heading to the Hoods hunt on the second one. When we arrived to pick up a buddy he was watching it on TV. He said it rattled his windows also. What a sad day.
Hope they get the bugs worked out and start the new program soon. Sounds alot safer for the crew, if that is possible.
Todd
Posted by Gerald Stewart (Member # 162) on August 09, 2005, 07:18 PM:
I was an audio\visual salesman for a year Byron when I took a sabatical away from the game call business. I had made an early run to Temple that day and came home listening to my favorite Ricky Skaggs tape. When I walked into the showroom of the AV company I worked for everyone was crowded around one of the TVs.
I walked up and made some wisecrack about everybody being on break and someone said "you mean you haven't heard". The crowd split to let me in and my first view of the TV was the replayed scene of the split vapor trail of the exploded shuttle. I will never forget that day.
Man Todd, what a tough way to have to learn about the cold realities of life. That had to be a shocker.
I will never forget the day President Kennedy was shot. The principle came in the classroom and announced the sad news. He almost couldn't talk and the teacher started tearing up. We were dismissed from class early that day and Dewey Kirby and I pumped our fists saying with glee "we get to go home early". I did not really know what the impact of that day was until I saw my mother crying when I got home. She explained it to me.
Bet you were in your diapers for that one Byron. 1963 wasn't it?
[ August 09, 2005, 07:27 PM: Message edited by: Gerald Stewart ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 09, 2005, 08:11 PM:
Boy, that succeeded in making me feel old, Gearld? I was working for Pacific Telephone the day Kennedy was shot. Probably never before or since has the communications network of this country had such a meltdown.
I'd never want to go through that again.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by yuccabush (Member # 582) on August 09, 2005, 08:18 PM:
I was near Mountainaire NM hunting coyotes at the time. My brother and I heard the booms and you could see alot of contrails in the sky. I did not really think to much of it a the time since the white sands missle range was to the south and they put up arrows for missle test quite often. A short while later while heading to the next stand we heard the bad news on the radio. We had pull off the road to have a moment of silence and to reflect on what we had seen and heard earlier.
Posted by Jack Roberts (Member # 13) on August 09, 2005, 10:56 PM:
I loved Mountainare, great place, but those NM income taxes are a killer.
Jack
Posted by Melvin (Member # 634) on August 09, 2005, 11:27 PM:
Gerald,John Kennedy was assassinated,Nov.22-1963. My soon to be wife and i were out joy rideing in my 1948 studebaker when it came over the radio.It turned what was suppose to be a nice enjoyable ride into a sad day
I think of those brave men and women who are willing to risk there life and limb for the the space program.They must have had a lot of faith in the Shuttle...I wonder how many of us would be willing to take the risk?
[ August 09, 2005, 11:29 PM: Message edited by: Melvin ]
Posted by Byron South (Member # 213) on August 09, 2005, 11:58 PM:
Gerald,
I was born in 64 .
Posted by Curt2u (Member # 74) on August 10, 2005, 06:00 AM:
What a coincidence Leonard. My dad was working for Bell Telephone in the Bay Area when Kennedy was assassinated. Were you living in Calif. at that time too?
Good hunting
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on August 10, 2005, 06:05 AM:
Byron, I thought I had a year or two on you, but I guess not. What Month?
Posted by Byron South (Member # 213) on August 10, 2005, 07:25 AM:
Tim, September, and you.
Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on August 10, 2005, 07:27 AM:
Geez, How many 64 models are around here? I was born in Dec. of 64.
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 10, 2005, 08:15 AM:
Damn! I had 3 kids, a pregnant wife, a mortgage, and holding down 2 jobs to pay for it, in '64
[ August 10, 2005, 08:16 AM: Message edited by: NASA ]
Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on August 10, 2005, 08:25 AM:
1964 is when I started predator hunting after I got out of the Army. When Kennedy was assassinated I was in the service over in Germany. Talking about old...Leonard was born 6 months before me and I was born in March of 43. Rich is also a 43 War baby....But NASA was from the 1930s, only a few years after Buffalo Bill and Wyatt Earp died lol.
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 10, 2005, 09:09 AM:
Now wait a minute here .....
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 10, 2005, 12:55 PM:
Nancy was born in March of '43, she makes the most of it, ragging on me for five months, about being older, until she catches up!
Yes, Curt. I have lived in CA continuiously, since the mid fifties, born in Minnesota, but also lived here during WWII, as a tyke.
'64? I have shoes that old.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by yuccabush (Member # 582) on August 10, 2005, 01:02 PM:
My old man was born in '44.
Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on August 10, 2005, 01:15 PM:
December 1950 here, but I dang near got laid in May of 64.
Dennis
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on August 10, 2005, 01:43 PM:
If NASA is THAT dang old, how in heck did he manage to land that space shuttle? He must be in better shape than I thought he was.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 10, 2005, 01:59 PM:
Another '64 here. October. Must have been a good year for our dad's, huh?
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 10, 2005, 02:01 PM:
Rich, I did it all with just a right click of the mouse, LOL!
BTW, I have a daughter born in '64. Wasn't no grass growin' under my mattress either.
[ August 10, 2005, 02:06 PM: Message edited by: NASA ]
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on August 10, 2005, 03:07 PM:
Born in 54, still not whelped .
Posted by Melvin (Member # 634) on August 10, 2005, 03:57 PM:
I give my age away on another thread,so i'm not gone to give the year i was born ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
..Now reading how old some of these whooper snappers are,i feel like a young man again.
Posted by Gerald Stewart (Member # 162) on August 10, 2005, 06:08 PM:
2dogs, ahh what a good year that was. July 12th was the day I popped out how about you.
Posted by Curt2u (Member # 74) on August 10, 2005, 06:14 PM:
'63 here. I was 8 months old when the JFK assassination took place. 5 years old when his brother RFK was killed. Faintly remember everyone being pretty upset. Mom doing a lot of crying.
Byron, ya young buck, I'm about 4 months older than you.
Hey Leonard, do you still have any of those cool telephone company tools? Pole climbing spikes, drills and such? My dad recently pressed his old portable handset into service when his new house was being built. The telephone wires were ran to the outside but not connected inside yet so he did the "Green Acres" thing and hooked up his trusty Bell handset. Not at the top of the pole though.
Good hunting
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on August 10, 2005, 06:18 PM:
Gerald,
Your a tad older than me. Hmmm, perhaps I'm your long lost foster Bro? LOL!
I didn't pop out, they sent a "squad" in to smoke me out .
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on August 10, 2005, 08:05 PM:
Geeze Byron, you and Lance really are a couple of old farts. I wasn't born until November. But it looks like I have a months experiance on Cal!
Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on August 11, 2005, 01:03 PM:
I'm way too young to remember where I was when I heard the news about Kennedy. What I do remember about him is that he attended a funeral of my Congressman cousin (a democrat, I don't claim him...)shortly before that. My only memory of JFK is a shadowy figure walking towards a helicopter - and that may very well have been planted by a teacher in later years asking me what I remember. What I very clearly remember is all of the guys in the suits and dark sunglasses standing around - they made an impression!
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 11, 2005, 03:18 PM:
I was stationed in Louisiana in Nov. of 63. The Kennedys were not well regarded in parts of the south because of the civil rights issues of the time. I remember the cheering and celebrating on the 22nd.
Posted by keekee (Member # 465) on August 11, 2005, 05:13 PM:
WOW! I am the pup here for sure!!!!!! I wasnt even thought about in 64!!!!!!lol
You guys make me feel like im still in grade school!
Brent
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 11, 2005, 06:07 PM:
Well, I am not going to bust anybody's bubble about JFK, the "Mystique" is very powerful.
I have never voted for any Democrat for a simple reason, they don't care about my values. That's as mild as I can put it.
Good hunting. LB
[ August 11, 2005, 06:08 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Gerald Stewart (Member # 162) on August 11, 2005, 06:30 PM:
Seems like to me the departure from the Kennedy democrats of John... not Teddy can be traced to the Johnson administration leading up to Clinton. They have changed dramatically since then. If you want to know what the Democrats used to look like you need to Read Zell Millers book 'A National Party No More'.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 11, 2005, 07:20 PM:
By Golly, I'd buy Zell Miller a beer, anytime, anywhere! What a speech, at the Republican National Convention!
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 11, 2005, 07:52 PM:
That was a good one, Leonard. I was upstairs watching it in the bedroom while my wife - Miss - Non-political - had command of the good TV downstairs. I was cheering, slapping and rooting so loud, she thought I'd found something different to watch. I don't think she has yet figured out why I was cheering at a Convention video. Not to hijack the thread with political stuff, but as good as it was, they still haven't figured out where they're going wrong, though. Have they?
Posted by Gerald Stewart (Member # 162) on August 11, 2005, 08:13 PM:
I videotaped that speech if anyone has not seen it. I would be happy to make a copy and send it to anyone wanting one.
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 11, 2005, 08:30 PM:
I didn't tape it, and wish I had. I'd love to have a copy.
Posted by Gerald Stewart (Member # 162) on August 12, 2005, 05:53 AM:
Send me a $5 bill and an address I can send it to NASA. That should cover most of the cost of the tape and postage.
Just email that address and I will send you a return email with the address you can use to send the money.
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on August 12, 2005, 06:08 AM:
Don't know, Zell Miller. But he's got my vote. I like a guy who grabs bull horns.
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