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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 15, 2005, 08:21 PM:

The subject of fossil fuel reserves is a deep subject.

Some people claim we are running out, some say we aren't, but it's still better to buy Arabian light sweet crude, than to use what we have because it is so simple to crack. Then again, they say we import more oil from South America, and that stuff is thicker than molasses.

Ever heard of the Elk Hills Naval Reserve field? If you have every been anywhere around Taft, CA it looks a lot like Saudi fields with pumps in columns and rows, everywhere.

Then, they say we are dumping crude into salt caverns down in the gulf, saving it for a rainy day. Strategic supplies.

Some oil is easier to pump than others, need to inject steam to get it flowing, so they cap it until it's needed, etc.

Then, there is all the oil offshore, like in California, but the ecoNazis scream about "potential" spills, etc.

And, the U.S. does have the world's largest supplies of oil shale and coal deposits. That's the stuff the Germans were forced to use when they got chased out of North Africa.

You know what they say about statistics and damned liars.....

Anyway, why are we concerned about running out of oil in 500 years? That sounds a bit like the buggy whip shortages in the late nineteeth century. Man! What a crisis that was! The point being that we don't know if Hydrogen may power our vehicles by then, which is the most abundant element in the universe.

We keep hearing from Chicken Little that the sky is falling, but they keep discovering new fields.

So, why is gas so damned expensive and who's banking all that excess profit?

Posted by Melvin (Member # 634) on August 15, 2005, 11:33 PM:

Here is some information that may be interesting on the subject.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/usa.html

Posted by Gerald Stewart (Member # 162) on August 16, 2005, 03:27 AM:

Forgive my pun Leonard but this is....well....a deep subject. Your gonna get some guys off on a tirade bringing this kind of stuff up. Before you know it you will have the Kennedy conspiracy guys chiming in and who knows what next.

I am involved in another thread on another board with Jack Roberts on this subject. It is kind of a benign discussion for now but has the potential to be some fun. Over here, might stay civil....might be interesting. Good luck.

Posted by Gerald Stewart (Member # 162) on August 16, 2005, 03:49 AM:

Great info Melvin. I want to read this in its totality when I have the time. That is quite a report.

One thing that did jump up at me in the very top of the report is something I had mentioned on the other board, the statement that we have the largest known coal reserves in the world. Germany used coal to produce fuel for it's war machine. The technology is known to us and we have the largest reserves of coal in the world.

I do not understand why it is not pursued. They say it is too expensive. That may have been true at WWII prices but surely not now. Surely with the advances in technology we could discover a clean and affordable way of doing that conversion. Throw in Hydrogen fuel cell development and maybe we could just someday tell the Arabs to survive by drinking their own oil in the sand. [Mad]

[ August 16, 2005, 03:50 AM: Message edited by: Gerald Stewart ]

Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on August 16, 2005, 07:27 AM:

Shortage my ass...

If there's a shortage why has no one run out yet? I have yet to see a gas station put a sign up saying that they were out of gas that day. Just as many cars at the pump as always.

Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 16, 2005, 03:03 PM:

The problem, as I see it, stems from the reduction in total numbers of refineries operating in the U.S., out of control ecological policies with no scientific basis hamstringing any future endeavor at establishing new refineries, and the fact that every damned county in this country seems to have its own mandated "blend" of fuel and additives - another form of ecological hostage taking of the U.S. consumer dollar.

I say we offer the Saudis $20 a barrel. Flat rate. Take it or leave it. If they leave it, we'll deal with Mexico and Venezuela, even Russia who are all more and willing to provide us with quality oil. Maybe even start refining our own which will compel us to uncap all the dormant wells here in Kansas that sit idle. In time, they'll either see things our way, or they'll learn how to survive eating sand and camel shit. [Smile]

Posted by keekee (Member # 465) on August 16, 2005, 08:46 PM:

LOL....Cdog I agree!

All I know is that its a 45 min drive to and from work every day for me. Thats the price I pay I gess for living in the country. Its costing me about 60 bucks a week just to get to and from work! My raise this year wont even cover the raise in gas prices! From Jan to May I worked 6-7 days a week, so it cost me even more those weeks to get to work and Im company so I dont get payed over time!

The way I see it is they are killing the working man, we work for taxes, gas, and medical Ins! Thats just about it. What little we have left we haft to use to keep the lights turned on and bills payed up!

What a crock of shit! $2.69 a gallon here! And its getting worse every time I drive by the pumps! It just flat sucks! [Mad]

Brent

Posted by Joe Manes (Member # 686) on August 17, 2005, 08:29 PM:

As most already know, Ive been a fan of biodiesel for a while now.

Its really the least taxing way to convert at least some of the existing vehicles to a different fuel.

Think on a foreign policy scale for a minute.
One way to absolutely kick the sticks out of the terrorist community is to make oil worthless. One way to do that is for demand to dry up.

Terrorists run on thier bank accounts.

Posted by Barndog (Member # 255) on August 18, 2005, 12:19 PM:

I can't believe any hasn't mentioned Canada who are our largest suppliers. http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html
And how are they doing it. Open pit mining. They have the same oil there as there is in UT, NV and Idaho. About ten years ago I meet some scientist out on the UT-NV border mapping oil. These guys said that there is more oil along that border than the Saudi's could dream of. Here is another site of a find in UT
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600131526,00.html
And they think that this seam of oil runs into dry lake valley in southern NV.

Posted by Jack Roberts (Member # 13) on August 18, 2005, 06:50 PM:

A friend of mine here in Elko runs his diesel truck on old cooking oil that he gets free from restaurants. He has been doing this for years. In winter he has to use a blend because pure cooking oil is too thick but 7 months of the year pure cooking oil.

It smells like french fries when he drives by.

Jack

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 20, 2005, 04:18 AM:

Something I've wondered about; Why can't we index the price of a bushel of export grain to the price of a barrel of import oil??

Posted by Dogleg (Member # 662) on August 20, 2005, 09:25 AM:

Kokopelli,
It wouldn't work. Like it or not grain is selling to a glutted market. Oil prices are high because the market demand will support it. A producer will sell for the best price that they can get.
You could develope a domestic policy of tieing grain to oil prices. That wouldn't help. Internationally if you raised grain prices the world market would tell you to keep it. They will not overpay for wheat any more than you would turn down cheaper oil.
Mike

Posted by TheHuntedOne (Member # 623) on August 20, 2005, 10:16 AM:

Oil Prices are high because the Consumer has no choice but to pay what the oil companies charge.

The average American can not stop driving to work, nor can they stop heating their homes.

When oil companies report 13 to 30 BILLION dollar profits over the same quarter last year, which they reported 13 to 30 BIllION dollar profits over the same period the year before, something is wrong.

I am all for capatolism and making a buck, but this is one industry that needs to be regulated by the government. Much as I hate government interference in my life, something has to be done.

Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 20, 2005, 03:27 PM:

I am not an alarmist nor a conspiracy theorist (as a rule) and as a libertarian I voted for Bush over Gore. However the current gasoline crisis, during the watch of the current president and vice-president, both OIL MEN, certainly raises the issue of confict of interest. Even if all their oil assets are in blind trust during their tenure, they can only profit from the record profits that all the oil companies are reporting. Money is power and the favor of the rich and powerful oil companies is also power.
Just because Bush is a Republican president doesn't make him anymore ethical than Nixon.
Pope John Paul reportedly stated, just before he died, that he thought Bush was the Anti-Christ as foretold in Revelations.

Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 20, 2005, 03:40 PM:

[Eek!]

What? Now that's something I would like to read about. Rich, do you still have a link to that story?

Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on August 20, 2005, 05:01 PM:

"John Paul reportedly stated, just before he died, that he thought Bush was the Anti-Christ as foretold in Revelations."
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I would like to see some real proof. I can't believe that Pope John Paul actually said that.

Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 20, 2005, 05:24 PM:

Sorry, I don't have a link. That was among the innumerable news articles following the Pope's death. I know only that it appeared in the Arizona Republic and it struck me in the same way it did you.
Try a Google?

Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 20, 2005, 06:44 PM:

In the past few days, Fox News and "others" have had talking heads on their shows - presumed experts on the oil industry - and all are stating that gas will approach $5 a gallon by this time next year. They also say that despite higher fuel prices, we're using more gasoline now than a year ago. I don't know who we is, but my family has started implementing some pretty serious efforts to curtail spending across our household budget to make more money available to cover heating costs this winter.

Agriproducers in this part of the country are already taking drastic measures to curtail costs. One guy just cancelled his lease on 1,000 acres of prime wheat ground because he's already barely able to make any money after the costs of diesel to work it, drill it, fertilize it, and the like. Several others are considering the same thing. That ground will sit idle rather than burning any diesel to work it. This past harvest, a full 30% of custom harvesters had sold out compared to last year. Those that were left were charging a premium for their services. We keep hearing about trickle down and boys, it's a coming. The farm belt is starting to hurt bad from this seige on gas prices, and if you think gas prices are bad, wait until you see how much milk and bread will cost. Somebody has to cover the costs because you know the makers and truckers are going to have to make enough to cover their costs.

Rich, I can see a bunch of Bush-hating liberals starting a BS rumor like that. Having said that, I'm beginnig to get a little irritated at my Congressmen. After all, they process the legislation long before it ever gets to W's desk and I'll be damned if I fall into the groove of putting it all on the President. Reps and Sens don't get off easy on this one as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by TheHuntedOne (Member # 623) on August 20, 2005, 07:10 PM:

Well I am not a Bush Bashing Bedwetter either....but....

If you dont think there is someone giving the old hose to someone else on this deal consider these gas prices. Then explain how China is using all the gass and the global economy is so strong that it is causing the oil prices to go up.

This month the price of gas in

Kuwait 68 cents a gallon
Saudia Arabiac 92 cents a gallon
Egypt 59 cents a gallon
Venezeula 12 cents a gallon

The places where gas is 2, 3, 4, 5, even 6 bucks a gallon - like Europe and the US, are all places where a few very big companies control the gas and oil.

We pay because we have to and they know it. Not because of a shortage or the world economy. Bush wont step in, nor will Congress. Too much of that money is going to the same politicians we are holding accountable for this glut.

If gas goes to 5 bucks a gallon, the US will become more of a thrid world country than it is now.

Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 20, 2005, 07:36 PM:

Kuwait 68 cents a gallon
Saudia Arabiac 92 cents a gallon
Egypt 59 cents a gallon
Venezeula 12 cents a gallon

If this is true, this is the kind of facts that should be dominating the news. At least we should be hearing it from the likes of Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity. [Mad]

Posted by TheHuntedOne (Member # 623) on August 20, 2005, 08:34 PM:

Here is the link for August 19th. The funny thing is, the prices have gone DOWN since March of this year in these countries.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/19/news/international/global_gasprices/

Posted by Jack Roberts (Member # 13) on August 20, 2005, 10:16 PM:

US politicians have no control over the price of gas(except when they raise taxes or enviornmental regulations on it)

OPEC totally controls the world price for oil. Period, end of discussion. They release more, the price goes down, they release less, the price goes up.

Jack

Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on August 21, 2005, 06:54 AM:

I am not the brightest bulb in the lamp, but I see the high gas prices as having a much more far reaching effect on our economy than simply the price of gas at the pump. We will be seeing a ripple effect here, and we will soon be paying more for EVERYTHING. I see the bottom dropping out of our economy because of the never ending hunger for money that the oil barons have.

Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 21, 2005, 07:22 AM:

True, Jack, but how much of the price on any given gallon of gas is taxes, especially in places like CA, and how many of our laws regulating the construction of new refineries, not to mention the uncapping of oil wells across this country becasue we don't have sweet enough crude is simply the greenies imposing their misguided environmental policies on us without credible scientific facts to support their arguments?

I agree about OPEC, and that situation is only exacerbated by the Chinese's new insatiable appetite for oil forcing us to compete for OPEC's attention. If Bush and the GOP expect to survive this situation, this time around, they need to be exploring some options here. I'm a Bush supporter, but even I am trying my best not to get damned mad about the appearance of improprieties. If they don't, the worst case scenario of Hitlery as a real contender for President may come to fruition. And I don't think my annual NRA dues will be enough to thwart upcoming attacks on guns, health care, and keeping the money I make rather than it being shoveled into new federal entitlement programs. This oil issue could easily blossom into a huge and dangerous political monster and no one will win. (At least, no one that works for a living.)

Posted by TheHuntedOne (Member # 623) on August 21, 2005, 10:27 AM:

Jack Roberts Wrote

" Period, end of discussion. "

OK, have it your way.

Al

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 21, 2005, 10:42 AM:

Jack is a sweetie, no question. He can sure call a spade a spade. And, as far as the price of crude, well, that's pretty obvious.

I do think that Lance made a vary salient point about the enviro-wackos. We need stuff like high tension transmission lines, power plants, and more to the point of this discusion, refineries!

Did you hear the one about introducing African lions in the U.S.? These a$$holes won't be satisfied until we move back to Europe and turn back the clock 500 years.

Good hunting. LB

Posted by Byron South (Member # 213) on August 21, 2005, 11:17 AM:

Lots of good points to ponder.

Lots of things affect oil prices, none of which Bush has much if any immediate control over. Its funny to me how easy it is to blame W for things he has little control over yet not give him credit for the things he has done. Sure the Middle East and OPEC control, to a certain extent, the price of oil. They also, for the most part in that part of the world, want all us infidels DEAD (OH yeah!! China is own our side too... NOT). With the worlds growing dependence on oil, the people that control the oil will have the most power. George Bush and others understand this. People can turn this around and say "Oh yeah, the war is all about oil and the money". My answer is, "YES IT IS". Our national defense depends on the control of power, and if we don't control the oil/money/power, then who will? We elect officials in this country because we are a representative democracy. Conservatives understand that money talks and bullshit walks. Liberal just wants everybody to hug and be nice. They need a ticket to wherever Mohamed - Atma is and have a good sit down with him and his sharp knife. I'm sure he will be impressed with their intellect maybe even go to star bucks together for a Lata' before he cuts their head off for the evening news. The sooner these people in the Middle East understand they need us and we don't need them the power struggle will tilt in our favor. The industrialized nations in the world control the money for now, with the United States being the leader. The Islamic countries control the oil and if not dealt with they will soon have the money too. What happens then? What happens if or when China becomes the leading industrialized nation?

The oil business is a tough business. Right now is a good time for them and many of these companies are spending billions (Which by the way goes right back into the economy) on exploration and alternatives to be able to compete in the future. I, being from the oil patch of East Texas have seen what low oil prices and high oil prices can do to a local economy. Back in the eighties when the oil boom crashed you couldn't buy a job here. Many companies laid people off and closed shop. This had a ripple effect that went all the way to the guys sacking groceries. The ripple didn't stop locally though. Many companies in other parts of the country produced goods and services that we needed (Trucks, pipe, tools ect...). They eventually felt the impact as well. Now that oil prices are good, many Texas companies are blowing and going, hiring employees for exploration, production, and most of all maintenance of equipment used to produce more. When times are good for these companies and it has a positive effect on the economy. More jobs = more money changing hands (Trickle down)= more tax revenue to the federal government.

Our dependence on foreign oil is in large part is because of stupid laws passed by politicians spouting half-baked science. These laws have made it so difficult and expensive for companies to produce oil in this country that it is very difficult for these companies to compete without turning their attention to countries with less stringent criteria for producing oil (Thus making it cheaper to you the consumer). It has been almost thirty years since we have built a new refinery in this country. Why? Because of stupid laws passed by greedy politicians backed by special interest groups pushing half baked science. Fact are with modern technology there is no excuse not to drill more wells, produce more oil, build state of the art, clean, safe refinery's. There is plenty of proof that this can be done without a negative impact on the environment, wildlife, or the ecology. (Look at the Alaskan pipeline for a good example) This would translate into more jobs, cheaper gas, and less dependence. This, coupled with stamping out these Islamic whackos in the oil fields “WE” developed in foreign countries we will continue to be the greatest country in the world.

Yep it’s all about the oil and until we come with an alternative that the world (not just America) will embrace it will continue to be about oil. Consumers drive free market economies not rich oil companies.

George Bush, Anti-Christ? Wonder where that come from? Must be true though Rich read it in print. Repeating crap like this is what gives it legs.

Man, That was a lot of typing for two fingers.

George Bush ain’t perfect but thank God he is our president and not AL Gore

God bless George Bush, and the United States of America. And while I’m talking with you God could you give Bill Mayer’s (SP) a good case of crabs. Help our soldiers kill them before they kill them our kids or us. AMEM.

[ August 21, 2005, 09:28 PM: Message edited by: Byron South ]

Posted by TheHuntedOne (Member # 623) on August 21, 2005, 11:36 AM:

BS. The US inports less than 42% of it's oil from OPEC Countries.

Of the US Oil Companies in the United States, only half of them import curde from Opec. Half do not import any crude oil from OPEC nations.

The tax on a gallon of gas has nothing to do with the increase in prices. The tax is fixed. It is not a percentage.

Oil is sold on the Comodities Futures Market. That means they are bidding on and buying oil that will not even be delivered for 3 months at a minimum, yet when the price of crude goes up two bucks a barrel, the price of gas goes up the next day.

How come when the price of crude goes down two bucks a barrel, the price of gas does not go down the next day also?

Oh yeah, I forgot - this discussion is over [Smile]

Silly me for butting in.

Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 21, 2005, 11:49 AM:

quote:
George Bush, Anti-Christ? Wonder where that come from? Must be true though Rich read it in print. Repeating crap like this is what gives it legs.

Apparently your intent is to give it legs, since you repeated it again.
If your reading comprehension had been operating at the same level as your outrage you would have been cognizant of the fact that I stated that the Pope ""REPORTEDLY"" made the statement about GWB.
The newspaper attributed that jewel to one of the Pope's secretaries.
Take it for what it is worth.
Most reasonably intelligent adults do.

Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 21, 2005, 11:56 AM:

Al, apparently you ignored the thunder and lightning that accompanied Jacks proclamation.
Good. Interesting numbers.

Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on August 21, 2005, 11:59 AM:

Rich Higgins,
I went over to google and did a search like you suggested. Holy Toledo, no wonder that rumor made in to your newspaper. Looks like a rumor with no proof either way. Just a bunch of those "end of the world" kooks with their wacky opinions. Someday one of those kooks is gonna be right. [Smile]

Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 21, 2005, 12:06 PM:

Rich, I didn't do a google. I'll take a look a little later.

Posted by Byron South (Member # 213) on August 21, 2005, 12:55 PM:

Rich,

I wasn't digging at you. Just get very tired of hearing how all the worlds’ problems are tied to George Bush and the republican party. Crazy rumors like Bush being the Anti-Christ is crap. There is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. The point I was trying to make is that people in the media repeating this stuff is what gives it legs, and to some dumb asses credibility.. You stated, "John Paul reportedly stated, just before he died, that he thought Bush was the Anti-Christ as foretold in Revelations." Never mentioned his secretary. My intent was not to give it legs but to point out the absurdity of it. I agree that most reasonable people see the absurdity of the statement and I hope that includes me. Again, there is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension, in fact I'm can usually do a pretty good job of reading between the lines.

I have no idea of how to solve these "Horrible" problems with gas prices or for that matter most of the worlds problems. I do however have faith in the conservative ideas that is responsible for making this country the strongest in the world. Our elected politicians and diplomats control how we deal with other countries and I believe it's high time we make a stand and not let countries with interest, other than ours, dictate what ours is.

Byron

[ August 21, 2005, 09:22 PM: Message edited by: Byron South ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 21, 2005, 01:09 PM:

To my knowledge, it is virtually impossible to be a hunter and a liberal Democrat? The exception that proves the point is JohnHenry. Boy! do I ever feel fortunate that Al Gore didn't win, or even worse; Honest John Kerry.

I think Byron has made some excellent points, but somebody needs to show him how to use the "enter" key. [Smile]

I do not believe, for a second that John Paul II never said anything about Bush being the antiChrist. The short list of the usual suspects circulating that rumor would include George Soros, Michael Moore, Al Franken, or the New York Times? Fortunately: RED STATES RULE!

Hillary really IS the antiChrist!

Good hunting. LB

[ August 21, 2005, 01:09 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Byron South (Member # 213) on August 21, 2005, 02:08 PM:

Thanks Leonard. Enter key? What did I do? Who's John Kerry? [Confused]

I saw on the news this weekend where in real dollars gas was higher in the 80's than it is right now. I'm sure higher gas prices will effect some peoples lifestyles to a certain degree but for the most part I think it has been blown way out of proportion. Even with prices the way they are, my fuel bills are the smallest bills I have. How come people don't bitch and blame the government for the high price of automobiles. Oh yeah!!!never mind....that would make the unions mad. No win situation. Sing along.... You know the words.... Look for the Union label..... Ohhh!!! Look!!!!! the sky is falling...... [Big Grin]

Byron

Posted by TheHuntedOne (Member # 623) on August 21, 2005, 03:47 PM:

If you lived in New Hampshire, instead of Texas, you might be a bit more concerned about the cost of oil.

But nevermind.

[ August 21, 2005, 03:49 PM: Message edited by: TheHuntedOne ]

Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 21, 2005, 05:35 PM:

I spent over seven years working in PA, CT, MA, and upstate NY. Been thru some nasty ice storms during that time. More than 90% of the homes there have oil furnaces. It's going to be an expensive winter for them.

Posted by Jack Roberts (Member # 13) on August 21, 2005, 06:18 PM:

Leonard,

"I do not believe, for a second that John Paul II never said anything about Bush being the antiChrist."

Shouldn't that read; I do not believe, for a second that John Paul ever said anything about Bush being the antiChrist?

Jack

Posted by TheHuntedOne (Member # 623) on August 21, 2005, 07:05 PM:

Gee, Thanks NASA - I needed that [Smile]

Posted by Gerald Stewart (Member # 162) on August 21, 2005, 07:10 PM:

Wait a minute I thought Sadat, Reagan or Clinton was supposed to be the Anti Christ? [Wink]

"Forgive my pun Leonard but this is....well....a deep subject. Your gonna get some guys off on a tirade bringing this kind of stuff up."

What did I tell you Leonard....I go away for a weekend at the lease and come back to an almost uncivil conversation. [Big Grin]

Byron....using the enter button helps you create paragraphs. Evidently Leonard can not stop reading long enough to catch his breath if there are not any paragraph breaks..... [Razz]

I will head you off at the pass leonard by saying....no I did not. I took plenty of extra underwear. [Smile]

Posted by Byron South (Member # 213) on August 21, 2005, 07:39 PM:

Thanks for clearing that up Gerald. I'll try and do better Leonard.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 21, 2005, 09:00 PM:

Come on, I'm a fairly tolerant guy. I only brought it up to help the members read and comprehend more easily not because I couldn't read that endless paragraph. But have you ever received an email that contains an encripted photo that you cannot decode and it is covered with symbols and letters of the alphabet? [Smile]

But the real reason that I use punctuation and paragraphs is so people do not misunderstand what I wrote. Separating one thought from another usually helps everybody, but not in every case and it is not that I require it, like it is part of the terms of service or anything like that? I would never stoop to that level and I was more or less just making a joke with Byron whom I am sure didn't take it the wrong way? I hope not anyway. Because if he did I would certainly apoligize because he is a good guy and I certainly would not want to offend him even if he was not such a good guy. Some people I don't know maybe I would not care but not a good old boy like Bryan. Or Gerald either since he is also one. I mean that he is a good old boy but not necessarily any better or worse than Bryan of course. And I know that using the enter key involves a little more work and hey why make things any harder than they already are? To each his own I say. Always have said that as a matter of fact. But you know some things are not worth bringing up if you know what I mean? So that is why I would just as soon forget the whole thing and quit babysitting these guys, If they can not read something the way it is written then I say that is just too doggone bad. Anyway this is getting to be too long and I appoligize for that but thought a short note to clarify my remark would be of help but maybe it does not help? If it does I guess it is worth the effort and if not well that is the way the cookie crumbles if you have ever heard that expression? But anyway I won't take the time to explain it because it really isn't that important so I hope again that this is clear because I can't think of any other way of saying it.

Good hunting. LB

Posted by Byron South (Member # 213) on August 21, 2005, 09:20 PM:

Leonard,

Thanks, but there was no need. My writing skills, spelling and grammar are certainly not as good as they should be. Cut school too much. I, like most wished I had paid more attention when I was in school. I willingly take constructive criticism. [Big Grin]

Byron

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 21, 2005, 11:50 PM:

Jack, I saw the same foulup but decided to let it go and see if somebody would catch it.

Byron, good sport. No disrespect intended.

Good hunting. LB

Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on August 24, 2005, 10:52 AM:

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The high oil prices in the late seventies early eighties was directly responsible for me getting involved in competitive shooting because the high cost of gas for frequent weekend hunting trips became cost prohibitive.

This may become the case now, or I'll at least limit my stands to places I can drive my Buick. I wonder if I can get an elk in the trunk.

Will we see an increase in deer/antelope decimation due to increased coyote populations because of high oil prices and predator caller not being able to do their job?

What we need is a video "Calling Coyotes On A Budget".

A second thought would be to eliminate predator calling in the East altogether because it is a proven fact that it is just a waste of petroleum.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 24, 2005, 10:59 AM:

That's the truth, ***! What a waste of resources!

Posted by TheHuntedOne (Member # 623) on August 24, 2005, 11:56 AM:

Oh man, twice in one thread, maybe three times. That hurt. If I can't coyote hunt, I will have to stay home with the wife and kids.

All they want to do is spend money and have me fix things.

Please don't ban coyote hunting in the east.

Please [Smile]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 24, 2005, 03:13 PM:

THO, learn to take your lumps like we Californians do, and Texans; who richly deserve it.

(just kidding) [Smile]

Good hunting. LB

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