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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on July 20, 2006, 08:25 AM:
Are you guys going up to the Trappers convention On Friday or Saturday?
Anyone going to stay for the weekend?
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on July 20, 2006, 09:44 AM:
Me!
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on July 20, 2006, 03:50 PM:
Tyler and I will be up there Fri Am. Maybe my daughter also. We want to catch Joe Melton's seminar and especially Vern Howie's. We will be there for all day Sat.
Posted by Bill (Member # 49) on July 20, 2006, 04:33 PM:
I'll be there Saturday.
Posted by Sue and Mark Nami (Member # 685) on July 20, 2006, 09:40 PM:
We'll be there Saturday.
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on July 22, 2006, 10:48 PM:
Things aren't looking too good for me to make it next weekend.
Things with my neighbor are escalating again. Last night, I caught him sitting at the end of the drive pointing a laser at my house. Tonight he buried a spike in the road to try to rip up my tires.
I got a restraining order against him last year, when he threatened to kill me, my wife and kids. But tonight the Sheriff's office told me to quit calling them until he actually commits an act of violence. His building fences in the road, and spiking the road, are civil matters, and out of their jurisdiction.
At this point, unless something changes in the next week, I don't want to leave my house empty for even a day.
Maybe next year.
Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on July 23, 2006, 12:39 PM:
Tim. I will watch you're house for you. I haven't got to shoot at anybody since the looters two nights after Rita hit.
I know every state is different, but I think I am correct in saying that in Texas pointing a laser at some one, there home or car will get you a set of bracelets for wreckles endangerment. Same goes for spiking a road. We are kinda funny about neighbors being neighborly.
There is still a law on the books that you cant carry wire cutters in you're saddle bags. They can hang by a strap any place on the saddle, but not in the saddle bags. Hell we even have a law that you can't shoot a injun from a moving street car in Austin on Sunday afternoon.
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on July 23, 2006, 12:52 PM:
Thats BS, Tim. I cant believe the cops wont do anything about that. Trespass? Property damage? Edangerment? Gotta be something along those lines they can do.
I had problems with our last neighbor. He ran over two of our dogs. Wouldnt admit it, but he did it. We got in an arguement about it one night in the edge of my yard and I put him to steppin. Never would ackowlege me after that. But he did mouth me behind my back. Only thing I ever did to him was when we would meet in the driveway, I wouldnt slow down or move over, make him pull off. That really pissed him off. Like he wasnt there. But he didnt have the nuts to do anything about it.
Yeah, that sucks. You gotta do something about it. Maybe go talk to the prosecuter instead of the cops? Sometimes going over their heads works.
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on July 29, 2006, 04:13 AM:
I got home from work last night and found this Note from NASA:
"Having lots of fun, wish you were here"
So I went out, crawled under my old truck and started turning wrenches. It took all night, but I got the old beast running again. And as soon as that pot of coffee gets done, I'm filing the thermos and heading for Globe!
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on July 29, 2006, 06:28 AM:
Tyler and I have been scanning Globe for honeys like that, but so far no luck. Did get to spend some quality time bs'ing with Vern Howey Fri nite. Saturdays agenda is really going to be worth the trip. Not just the seminars, but the State calling championship in the afternoon. This is my first "trappers" convention. Some of these guys are really out there, lol. It's been a ball so far. Mother Nature even gave the town a bath last nite. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 29, 2006, 10:23 AM:
There it is, folks. My proof. That's the "Twins"; Jay and Rich as book ends to a bevy of beauties. Now, which one is Jay?
Had I known, I might have been inclined to attend, myself? If Higgins doesn't win the calling contest, it's rigged. With Jay spanking his monkey, (pickin' and grinnin') that's always good for runner up.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 29, 2006, 10:35 AM:
Tim. I think you need to have a heart to heart with somebody in supervision. This neighbor sounds like he needs a serious attitude adjustment, and if the police can't help you, that's a damned shame.
quote:
building fences in the road, and spiking the road, are civil matters
HUH? On what planet?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on July 31, 2006, 10:40 AM:
Now that was a good time. I got to sit in on some great lectures. One by a Rez ADC man was interesting enough to inspire me to look into snaring! No ambitions of anything more than learning how to do it "successfully". It really looks like it could be a fun pastime.
After I got there, I thought about signing up for the calling contest. It would have been fun to call against Mitch and Skyler Huggins. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
They did take a trophy home with them, though. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Spent a lot of money trying to win something in the raffles. I should have known better than to go up against Bill R.
Got to talk to Vern Howie, and got a tip on how to improve accuracy on my Swift.
And I got to spend some time with folks I like to call friends.
It was well worth the hassle to make the trip.
[ July 31, 2006, 11:44 AM: Message edited by: NASA ]
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on August 01, 2006, 06:26 AM:
My favorite part.
Posted by Steve Craig (Member # 12) on August 01, 2006, 09:03 AM:
Nasa,
That ADC guy is one of the finest trappers and snaremen I know. I have known him for many years.
Charley is also one of the best Getter men I have ever known too!
I would have liked to have gone, but business called me away. Too many irons in the fire these days it seems. I have been known to set a snare or two as well! About half finished with my snaring video, and it should be done by early spring.
Getting ready to go to Maine to snare a bear there.
Sounds like it was a great time.
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 01, 2006, 10:07 AM:
Steve, Charlie says he is just looking forward to retirement. He wants to spend his "golden years" doing nothing but trapping coyotes, lol.
Please, put me at the top of your mailing list for your snaring video. I picked up some literature at the Convention (Pederson and such), but I'd like to see what you have. Thanks. The more I begin to learn, the more questions I've got. Right now I'm trying to get the hardware down pat.
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on August 01, 2006, 11:12 AM:
NASA,
What size of cable are you planning to use? Can you use Cam locks?
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 01, 2006, 02:24 PM:
Well, I'm still in the learning phase (will be for a while), but I was thinking 3/32 cable. I need to check CO regs to see if breakaways are required, but cams were one of the questions I needed answered. Do they relax? Do I want a relaxing lock? I don't think so. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
I believe an "L" or Thompson won't relax, but I could be wrong. So much to learn, so little time. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
[ August 01, 2006, 02:29 PM: Message edited by: NASA ]
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 01, 2006, 02:47 PM:
NASA,
I sat in on a snaring demo last year at an event where I was giving a calling demo and was really impressed at how far snaring has come in the past few years. Necessity is the mother of invention and all the foothold trap regs have compelled trappers to be innovative. There will be some good snaring demos in Hutch this week, too.
Posted by Steve Craig (Member # 12) on August 01, 2006, 06:18 PM:
Nasa,
The only state that has a defintion of what a "relaxing lock" is, is the state of Missouri.
Some states say in their regs that you must use a "relaxing lock", but do not define the term.
Relaxing lock, kill locks, live snares, cable restraints,BAD's,deer stops, stop buttons,double ferrels, ferrels,swivels, snare supports,wammy's,1x19, 7x7, 7x19, 1x7 are all terms applied to the Modern Steel Snare.
They have come a long way from the old spring pole and lifting pole snares of the past.
On top of all this, there are literaly dozens of ways to build a snare too!
You have entered a world that you will never be able to escape from, once you take your first critter in a snare.
It happened to me 42 years ago, and I still love it today just as much as I did them.......probably more so now!
Welcome to my world.
Steve
Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on August 01, 2006, 07:37 PM:
Steve, what is the state of Mo.'s definition? They're normally better at this than their neighbors.
Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on August 01, 2006, 07:39 PM:
I’ll be there Friday afternoon and all day Saturday.
Good hunting.
Q,
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 01, 2006, 07:44 PM:
Q, that's also my schedule. It will be good to see you again.
There's a snaring seminar on Fri at 2:00 for NTA members only. I hope I can find a sponsor to bring me in.
[ August 01, 2006, 07:51 PM: Message edited by: NASA ]
Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on August 01, 2006, 08:20 PM:
I had “NTA” on my brain. LOL ATA? Yes it will be good to see you again as well NASA.
Good hunting.
Q,
Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on August 01, 2006, 08:58 PM:
Nasa, My son and I plan to be at the NTA conv on fri. Maybe we'll see you. What is required to get into the seminar? Will my NTA membership be all I need, and will my 11 yr old son need to be a member?
Posted by Steve Craig (Member # 12) on August 01, 2006, 09:15 PM:
Joe,
The wording was put into Mo.'s Cable Restraint law as:
"A lock is considered a relaxing lock when the lock stops tightening when the animal stops pulling".
Best defintion I ever saw!
Essentially, any lock is a relaxing lock under this definition.
This wording was submitted by my good friend Robert Waddel, also one of the best trappers and snaremen in the USA.
Posted by Jack Roberts (Member # 13) on August 01, 2006, 10:58 PM:
So there is a lock that tightens when the animal is not pulling?
Jack
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on August 02, 2006, 04:07 AM:
Some snare makers have taken to putting a small spring between the end of the cable and the cam lock. It's totally unnecessary, but it makes their snares look different and helps them to sell more snares.
Ram snares use a modified spring off of a 330 conibear to choke down the animal with no entanglement needed.
Posted by Steve Craig (Member # 12) on August 02, 2006, 12:19 PM:
Yes Jack, there certainly is.
It is those choke springs that Tim eluded too.
The Choke springs provide very good tention right at the lock so when the animal quits pulling, the spring keeps whatever poundage of tention the animal stopped pulling at, right on that lock, giving a VERY quick death to the animal.It is the same principle as the Ram Power Snare gives except it does it with a much smaller spring.
Mary Senniker from Canada makes a kill spring(called a Stinger) that will kill a coyote so fast that they do not even tear up the set area. In fact many times, you can reuse the same snare! The biggest advantage to the Kill Springs is you can use a much smaller diameter snare cable and still kill the coyote without him chewing out of the cable.
Marty uses all 1/16 1x19 cable for most all his coyote work know.
I have tried his springs with 3/64 and they dont chew out of that either, as they are dead too fast to chew.
If you live in a state or trap in one that requires relaxing locks, you had better be using 3/32 or even 1/8 cable for your snaring, cause they will chew out of the smaller diameter cable in minutes, with relaxing locks.
I am curently using a new snare lock, that will replace all my camlocks, I love it so far, and it locks as good as a cam yet is VERY low visability. The Camlock is a very high visablity lock.
If you want to kill a coyote quick, 1/19 5/64 or 1/16 cable with a BAD and a good 50# Kill Spring, is the finest set up you could ever use.
For live snaring or any snare that you have to use a so-called relaxing lock, I prefer the 1/8 cable with a BAD and/or a Stop Button at the 8 inch mark will allow you to hold your coyotes for a long time alive, yet release all your deer,cows, horses, etc.
Posted by bigben (Member # 864) on August 02, 2006, 01:40 PM:
interesting I am gonna take a Cable Restraint course (politically correct term in pa for a snare) in a few weeks if I do not get something heavy enough the animal has a chance to actually chew the wire through?
Posted by Steve Craig (Member # 12) on August 02, 2006, 02:10 PM:
ben,
I've snared alot of coyotes, with 3/32 cable, and a so-called relaxing washer lock,on a 24 hour check, and came back to an empty snare which the coyote simply pulled backwards, which allowed the cable to be right beside his mouth and he simply chewed it in two. Have NEVER had a coyote chew 1/8 cable in half.
If you have alot of entanglement, and can get the coyotes front feet OFF the ground by using a high tie or a kill pole, they will be dead even in a cable restraint, unless you are using a stop button.
If using a button, be prepared for alot of "water heads".
In the same vein, I have held alot of coyotes in 5/64 cable, still alive with no chew outs. But to be safe, go to 1/8 on all your cable rstraints and live snares.
If you have to use a washer lock, use one of the Riechart Locks, or what I call the Pavek lock as Leonard Pavek first wrote about it. It is the best washer lock out there.
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on August 02, 2006, 08:26 PM:
Ben,
If it's legal, you can use 1/16" cable with a cam lock and not worry about pull outs, or chew outs. Even washer locks will work, IF you can get the coyote tangled up quickly.
The smaller the cable, the less you have to worry about a coyote spooking and walking around a snare.
If you decide to dye your snares to help them blend in, be sure not to dye more than you can use that season. They will rust up and be worthless by the next season.
The trick to quick kills with a snare is to tie high, and use something to tangle the coyote up. If you don't have much brush at the site, you can make a kill pole with a 5' piece of 3/4" rebar. Just weld some foot long 1/4" rebar to it in "T" fashion every foot or so, then drive it a foot to a foot and a half into the ground. Tie to the top of the pole and bring cutters when you come back to check it.
NEVER tie a snare to the top of a fence post, if you value the fence! In the three minutes it take to choke down a coyote, he can crunch a 5' fence into a 4" bundle.
Posted by Steve Craig (Member # 12) on August 02, 2006, 10:30 PM:
" If you decide to dye your snares to help them blend in, be sure not to dye more than you can use that season. They will rust up and be worthless by the next season."
Tim,
Where you been for these many years? The new 1x19 Galvanized cable does not rust like the Thompson Steel cable used to.
I have built literally thousands of snares out of the Galvanized 7x7, 1x19, and 7x19, and have yet to have a snare rust on me after boiling them in Baking soda. I still have snares that I built over 30+ years ago, boiled in soda, that are still hanging in my fur shed there in Indiana, that look like I just took them out of the boiling pot.
These days, I dip all my snares in Formula 1, after boiling the oil off them, or I spray paint them to match the areas I snare. One color does not work for the different states I snare in each year. What works for me in Kansas doesnt work in Indiana or Texas or NM for that matter.
F1 makes them VERY fast, and totally odorless.
I have seen where guys will soak their snares in vinegar and it will remove some of the zinc coating on the cable and they will start rusting almost imediately. I do not use vinegar for this reason.
Ben,
Boil them in baking soda and water for 20 minute, with about 3 tablespoons of soda to a gallon of water and you will not have any problems with rusting etc., and your snares will be odor free as well. Then spray paint them or dip them and let them air out for a couple of days and you are good to go.
FWIW
Posted by bigben (Member # 864) on August 03, 2006, 04:40 AM:
thanks for the info. we are not allowed to set a cable restraint anywhere it might get tangled up. plus it cannot lock. there is more to it but I have not taken the course yet. I will definently get the thicker cable by hearin what you guys are saying. i have a place that is a clear cut. it is thick and I know that canines are using it for shelter. but I cannot hunt it because it is beside my uncles house and he has too much activity up and down his drive. but they cross it redily all the time.
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on August 03, 2006, 05:03 AM:
Dang Steve, it must suck to be so busy each year, running snare lines in all of those places plus you guide service and then finding time to scout for and call up all of those lions.
Actually, I gave up dying my snares years ago, as I found it a complete waste of time. ( Kind of like waxing a trap ) I only mentioned it because most of the older snaring book recommend it, and I'd hate to see a guy buy and die a two years supply and then have to throw half of them away.
Posted by Steve Craig (Member # 12) on August 03, 2006, 06:02 AM:
Nope,
It dont suck, but it gets a little hectic at times.
This year, I am totally booked up to winter 2008.
Cant take anymore bookings. No time slots left.
The snaring video is the really time consooming part.
Bob Wendt and I are doing 3 states this year alone.
Good organization is what makes everything run smoothly.
Plus I started another Chapter of the FTA here in AZ.
I must be crazy, huh?
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 03, 2006, 06:52 AM:
Wow, I've got to watch myself. I can see how this "hobby" could quickly turn into an obsession.
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on August 03, 2006, 08:35 AM:
I have this mental image of a political cartoon style of Tom, with his Hornet laying on the truck seat, well abandoned with cobwebs growing all over it, and there's Tom, hunched over a million prairie dog holes setting snares!
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 03, 2006, 08:43 AM:
Don't laugh, I will be trying that. This is going to be so much fun.
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