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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 16, 2006, 06:40 PM:
 
Things have slowed down a bit and I have time to discuss your concerns and questions that you posted in the "Questions" thread on July 24.
Come on down. We can get some action going on the board.
 

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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on August 17, 2006, 05:40 AM:
 
I think that the idea of going toe to toe with a championship ball room dance like yourself, has scared the poor boy off.

Some folks need to feel the security of censorship and Moderator protection before they can really start running off at the mouth.
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on August 17, 2006, 05:42 AM:
 

 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 17, 2006, 08:15 AM:
 
I question the need, but who am I?

I searched his posts and what I got out of it is that he wanted to know what made Vic and Cal and Rich so special?

Most people find that to be rather obvious. LB
 

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Posted by PAyotehunter (Member # 764) on August 17, 2006, 11:21 AM:
 

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I have a question that has been floating around in my head for a while about this whole mess.

What places you up in the upper circle of coyote hunters with Cal, Vic, and Rich? Is it number of prime yotes killed, seen, called. Time or number of posts on a particular internet forum. Is it being a member of shade tree in the past? Is it financially linked. Just what makes a guy as good as these fellas think they are.

I had a chance to look up on the internet and try to find some info on these guys. I entered their names into google and hit enter and the results were..... nothing. I thought I would finds boatloads of information telling me about all their hunting experience and so forth. Nothing, I found so far. There was no coyote god, no internet link to their all so famous website, no letters after their names, no former president of the United States, no heroes status, nothing.

So again I ask what makes this guys such idols in the group.

I have been back and forth on this site and PM and see a lot of mud slinging and name calling from guys that claim they are friends and above the rank of amatuer but seem to lack professionalism. There has been some comments here about jockstraps and it seems to me that yes the jockstraps are off and the guys that seem to know it all have their hands in each others pants stroking each other, and telling each other how good they are.

Someone just tell me how I get there please.

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ACC,
Move to an area that has a good population of coyotes, grab a call,gun,camera and/or camcorder and shoot a bunch of dogs. Write about it on message boards, post pic's and videos, maybe even write a book, and BAM your in.
Its funny you asked that because I always wondered what makes someone an "expert" or a "pro" myself. I'm just the opposite, I've been chasing coyotes for about 14 years and to talk to me you would think I just started hunting them and I like it that way.

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the guys that seem to know it all have their hands in each others pants stroking each other, and telling each other how good they are.

Someone just tell me how I get there please.

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Maybe he's just lonely and needs a date. Richard Simmons?

[ August 17, 2006, 12:28 PM: Message edited by: Rich Higgins ]
 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on August 17, 2006, 12:43 PM:
 
Rich Higgins,
As you have probably noticed already, some folks just ain't brave enough to use their real name when talking big on an open board like this one. I used my real name (Rich Cronk) on this board until some idiot decided to steal my identity and post some crazy stuff. Now I just use Rich for my screen name. I place Cal Taylor and Wiley E right up there with the rest of the best. You ain't too bad yourself except for being so ugly.
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on August 17, 2006, 01:59 PM:
 
I think you hit the nail on the head Leonard.After a while you can see who walks the walk and who doesn't.At least for the most part.And no it isn't how many pictures of dead coyotes you post, even though that does help.LOL Or how many videos you star in.Or if you get any hits on google.Hell,some of the best coyote callers I know don't even own a computer let alone know how to use one.LOL It's just that once you've hunted coyotes for a while you can tell who knows coyotes and calling and who doesn't.And you are drawn more to the guys that make you a better caller.And IMO Rich H,Cal,and Vic are the real deal, not to mention many many other guys that are members of this site.FWIW Good Hunting Chad
 

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Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on August 17, 2006, 05:41 PM:
 

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the guys that seem to know it all have their hands in each others pants stroking each other, and telling each other how good they are.

Someone just tell me how I get there please.

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I've been chasing coyotes for about 14 years and to talk to me you would think I just started hunting them and I like it that way.

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"I've been chasing coyotes for about 14 years and to talk to me you would think I just started hunting them and I like it that way."

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On the other hand, when you live/hunt in areas where they are abundant its not that difficult, Its like deer hunting in PA.

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There's a statement from an Eastern caller that surprises me.

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Why is that?
 

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Posted by PAyotehunter (Member # 764) on August 17, 2006, 07:50 PM:
 
Cal,
I know its not "easy" in the west, or anywhere. Deer hunting in PA is not "easy" either, but the population is here and if you do your homework its not hard to kill one year after year.
It won't be long and you won't hear the east vs. west issues anymore.
 

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Posted by TheHuntedOne (Member # 623) on August 17, 2006, 08:11 PM:
 
Message boards are all about sound bites.

I'm an eastern coyote hunter.

The message board sound bite might sound something like this....

"In the last 4 trips we have called 4 coyotes. They're out there, you just have to work to get them. Keep at it."

To the uninitiated that makes me sound like a pretty successful eastern coyote hunter. Or a liar. But for some it could give me instant credability.

The reality

Those 4 trips we called one coyote the first day, none the second, two the third (they came in together) and one the forth.

We actually killed one.

We spent 7 hours hunting the first day, 6 the second, 4 the thrid and about 5 the forth.

22 hours of stands and calling to call in 4, kill one.

So much for knowning what the heck I am doing. Law of averages. Sooner or later you run into a dumb coyote even in the east.

But the sound bite makes it seem a whole lot different. No one knows what I don't tell them. Perception is reality. One of the big downsides to the internet.

On the upside, the more I go after these darn crittes the more I seem to know who to listen to on the internet. It's why I lurk over here.

Al
THO Game Calls

[ August 17, 2006, 08:13 PM: Message edited by: TheHuntedOne ]
 

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Posted by Jack Roberts (Member # 13) on August 17, 2006, 10:35 PM:
 
I just have to post on this.

Killing deer in the east, at least near the metro areas is about like shooting ground squirrels in the west. A single bow hunter for years has had no trouble killing over 40 deer every year on my Fathers 80 acres just outside DC. All legal since deer are mostly in the vermin category. "Rats with hooves" is a normal description of them.

Driving after dark is more life threatening than skydiving. Even in the day you are probably 10 times more likely to hit a deer than another vehicle.

Jack
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 18, 2006, 06:54 AM:
 
Jack, those Pa. freeways looked like war zones when I was up there two years ago. Driving south from Erie at 11:00 pm just inside the city limits the freeway was reduced to one lane as firemen swept and hosed the remains of a herd of deer that several vehicles had plowed through. Three fire trucks and four ambulances blocked three lanes of traffic and four or five crunched vehicles were pushed/pulled to the side. People were strapped on gurneys waiting to be loaded on the ambulances.
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 18, 2006, 07:01 AM:
 

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On the other hand, when you live/hunt in areas where they are abundant its not that difficult, Its like deer hunting in PA.

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PAyotehunter, I thought it was surprising because most Eastern callers that I talk to know that low densities will adversly affect coyote's security levels, but that pressure is the primary influence. If you come here to the campout in Oct. I will take you to some areas that have lots of coyotes, you will see lots of scat and tracks, and I'm betting that you can't get them to come in to your calls. They are abundant AND difficult.
 

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Posted by PAyotehunter (Member # 764) on August 18, 2006, 01:06 PM:
 
I would love to come to the campout, but as of right now I don't think I can. The wife wants to go out west somewhere so maybe I could talk her into it. I'm going to Maine and Mexico predator hunting, and about 5 or so hunts in various parts of PA, so I doubt it.
I made an offer on here last year for anyone to come to my camp in PA. That offer is still open, here is a link to more info.
http://huntnpa.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1154635517/0#1

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I will take you to some areas that have lots of coyotes, you will see lots of scat and tracks, and I'm betting that you can't get them to come in to your calls.

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You never know, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 18, 2006, 03:26 PM:
 
Where in Mexico are you going to hunt? Targeting anything in particular?
 

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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on August 18, 2006, 04:38 PM:
 
You will like coyote hunting in Mexico, lots of coyotes, most of whom have never heard a predator call.
 

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Posted by PAyotehunter (Member # 764) on August 19, 2006, 03:57 PM:
 
I'm not real sure on the particulars yet. I'm going with a friend and what he told me is we will fly into Texas and some agents will pick us up and take us over the boarder. I think its north central, not real far over the line.
I want to call cats and coyotes.

I talked to my wife today about the campout. She won't be able to make it but I think I might have an ok. Would anyone be willing to run me back and forth to the airport and let me tag along with them??
 

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Posted by PAyotehunter (Member # 764) on August 21, 2006, 11:29 AM:
 

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I talked to my wife today about the campout. She won't be able to make it but I think I might have an ok. Would anyone be willing to run me back and forth to the airport and let me tag along with them??

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Anyone??
Come on guys I don't smell........that bad.
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 21, 2006, 12:31 PM:
 
Peyotehunter , if you fly in here, I'll see to it that you get hooked up.
 

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Posted by ACC (Member # 903) on August 23, 2006, 04:52 PM:
 
Gentlemen

And I use the term lightly around here, I see that the name calling doesn't stop. For those who think I am a homo, f-u. Got two fine kids running aroung the house to say I am not. As for the troll thing, f-u again.

Just trying to point out the fact that there may be more than 2 guys in this world that know how to kill coyotes consistently. OMG say it ain't so.

As for where I was, I wasn't running. I was pipeline supervising and putting some oil leases back to bed.

Thanks for the welcome everyone

ACC
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on August 23, 2006, 04:56 PM:
 
Still dont have the balls to use his real name or location.... Must be top secret?
 

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Posted by ACC (Member # 903) on August 23, 2006, 04:58 PM:
 
Well Andy L. Where your balls big fella. Why didn't you use your last name or is it really just "L". Maybe it is Andy the Loser. Try and figure out where coyotes have fur buddy.
 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on August 23, 2006, 05:04 PM:
 
I wonder what ACC stands for. Associate Chicken Choker?
 

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Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 23, 2006, 05:09 PM:
 
Since he's striving to be a "master", it may stand for "Amatuer", not "Associate"?
 

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Posted by brad h (Member # 57) on August 23, 2006, 05:10 PM:
 
Welcome ACC,

Always good to run into someone else who works in the same industry.

Brad
 

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Posted by ACC (Member # 903) on August 23, 2006, 05:23 PM:
 
Well the warm welcome keeps on coming. Let me see, yup the skin is still thick on my back. Have to try harder gentlemen. Oh ya, you probably heard me say it before. I use the term gentlemen loosley around here.

Oh ya, thanks brad h

ACC

[ August 23, 2006, 05:31 PM: Message edited by: ACC ]
 

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Posted by ACC (Member # 903) on August 23, 2006, 05:46 PM:
 
Rich,

I never thought an old bugger like you would use such foul language.

Now get back in line, they are serving your favorite porridge at your old folks home

ACC
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on August 23, 2006, 06:11 PM:
 
If you pay attention(which you obviously don`t) you`ll find that when the term "expert" is used on this board it is either used as a compliment from one friend to another & is the truth or it is used as a general compliment from someone who just learned something valuable from someone who shared a little tidbit of info with them. I`ve never heard anyone on this board refer to themselves as an expert on anything, even though many of them could rightly do so IMO.

I don`t quite understand why ego`s are bruised so easily from a simple compliment to someone who deserves that compliment. OTOH there are boards where self proclaimed experts do toot their own horn, I guess I can overlook some of that too although I`ve been known to get ugly with people from time to time when I`m bored.

You should be ashamed of your language ACC!! Do you kiss your Mom with that mouth? They were just having a little fun & you had to go & use the "F" word. Most of these guys are probably embarrassed & shocked by that sort of thing.
 

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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on August 23, 2006, 06:17 PM:
 
Thank you JD, my words, out of your mouth! When I first read his potty mouthed remarks, I spewed half my ******* coke, on my gawd damned monitor,and had to clean the sonofabitch myself!!
 

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Posted by ACC (Member # 903) on August 23, 2006, 06:23 PM:
 
Oh ya, my apologies. Ya ya I am so sorry. I should just take the homo remarks and the lack of balls. Oh I am so sorry. Not.

JD, grow up, you call a man a homo and your probably going to get a smack before the swearing.

ACC

[ August 23, 2006, 06:24 PM: Message edited by: ACC ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 23, 2006, 06:28 PM:
 
If we had decent moderators here, you guys would be serving a time out.

ACC, you didn't come in here to make friends, and it appears you were successful.

It's possible that a few members were offended by the jockstrap remark....from a safe distance, of course. (not to mention your most recent attempt, above)

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 23, 2006, 06:44 PM:
 
ACC, I really didn't expect you to return when I began this thread. Leonard posted that he didn't see the need for this thread and in reality there is none. Nor is there a need for the vast majority of the posts on this and other boards. It is mostly just entertainment spiced with the occasional jewel that can be occasionally gleaned.
I did not give much credence to your initial posts because I simply thought you were a troll.
Your first post was made specifically to insult and ridicule certain members of this board. So I am a little surprised that you seem to be upset that you were not made to feel welcome.
You obviously had an agenda when first you posted. Why? Did you read something on PM at that time that angered you? The three of us were locked out and could not read anything that was posted after our departure. Was something posted over there that stated that we were "experts"? Why did you register on this board just to disparage the three of us?
 

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Posted by ACC (Member # 903) on August 23, 2006, 07:45 PM:
 
Hey, I was just asking civilized questions. There is a difference between that and calling someone a homosexeual.

Yes, I guess what angers me is when people say things like all the talent has left and references to everyone else being amatuers except the select few. It insults me.

ACC

[ August 23, 2006, 07:52 PM: Message edited by: ACC ]
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on August 23, 2006, 08:17 PM:
 
Insinuating that someone has their hands in anothers jockstrap is part of asking civilized questions? Bullshit. At least have the nuts to call it what it is. You were mad, and still are.

Trollin, trollin, trollin.

[ August 23, 2006, 08:18 PM: Message edited by: Andy L ]
 

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Posted by ACC (Member # 903) on August 23, 2006, 08:31 PM:
 
What's that L stand for again? Lobotomy? Just follow the herd buddy, you will be just fine.

ACC
 

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Posted by ACC (Member # 903) on August 23, 2006, 08:36 PM:
 
Oh ya, who started this crap again? Who's name is beside topic starter? Richy boy, Stir Stir Stir, Stir the pot, Stir the pot....

[ August 23, 2006, 08:39 PM: Message edited by: ACC ]
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on August 23, 2006, 08:44 PM:
 

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I should just take the homo remarks and the lack of balls.

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If we had decent moderators here, you guys would be serving a time out.

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Leonard, I could probably use a time out every now & again but look at it this way, you`re keeping some of us from going to the local bar & getting punched for calling someone a homo there.

I`m gonna be kayaking on the Green river for the next few days so by the time I get back I should feel a little better about myself & stop stirring the pot so much although I`m sure I`ll still chuckle about it on the river.
 

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Posted by ACC (Member # 903) on August 23, 2006, 08:58 PM:
 
Be careful out there JD!
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on August 23, 2006, 09:05 PM:
 
I`ll be fine but I`m not so sure about Vic, he used to be a good church goin` fella & now you`ve got him spittin on his monitor & swearing like a sailor. I have a preacher buddy that always tells me "bad company corrupts good morals"....I guess he was right.
 

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Posted by ACC (Member # 903) on August 23, 2006, 09:10 PM:
 
Ya, you should probably cut your relationship off. Good call buddy!

ACC
 

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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on August 23, 2006, 09:10 PM:
 
My mother always warned me, "you become like those you associate with"...hangin' with you hairly legged sonsabitches has turned me JD, cussin'and swearin',and smoking expensive cigars.
But....the upshot is, I still have my nuts,and no one reaching in my jockstrap, so life is pretty good still:)
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on August 23, 2006, 09:19 PM:
 
Its funny as hell to get some dipshit actin like a cat in a cage, swattin at air everytime it hears something....
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on August 23, 2006, 09:20 PM:
 
A silver lining to every cloud, Vic.
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on August 23, 2006, 09:26 PM:
 
Speaking of expensive cigars, I`m hoping to see that Andy L fella (no one knows what the L stands for) in a couple days & smoke a couple of his expensive cigars while shootin` PDs, then I`ll know how you upper crust fellas feel livin` high on the hog like you do. I hope he doesn`t corrupt my good morals.
 

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Posted by ACC (Member # 903) on August 23, 2006, 09:27 PM:
 
There were 2 pages of crap from you dipshits before I even got here.

Hey can I come to the campout?

ACC
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on August 23, 2006, 09:46 PM:
 
Yep, Im lookin forward to it too JD. Im gonna fill up my little travel humidor full of some goodins.

ACC, I dont personally care if you come to the campout. I would think you may wanna be a little more civil. You know, there are going to be the very experts you detest so much right there in front of you....

BTW, JD, theres a trade there. I want copius amounts (thats a couple glasses to me) of that Thunderhead Honey Wheat beer. And, I wanna go to the bar itself and try that stout you were talkin about.

[ August 23, 2006, 09:47 PM: Message edited by: Andy L ]
 

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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on August 23, 2006, 09:46 PM:
 
We are a generous lot AC, but you have to walk before you can run. I purpose, you edge your way into the fold, by taking on the task of washing jock straps for the hunters in camp to gain their trust?
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on August 23, 2006, 10:01 PM:
 
Thunderhead it is my friend, fresh from the vat. That stout will put the hurt on you.

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I gotta drive to WY or Utah or someplace like that early in the morning so on that note I better go to bed.
 

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Posted by ACC (Member # 903) on August 23, 2006, 10:03 PM:
 
Oh goody AZ, that sounds like an invite. I will just cash that check tommorow from the fur auction and buy me a ticket.

ACC
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on August 23, 2006, 10:41 PM:
 
Will that get you a bus ticket?
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 24, 2006, 02:56 AM:
 
ACC, I think you are a little misguided when you ask if you have received an "invite". This campout is an open invitation and all you have to do is request permission to attend, and you get it.

In other words, if you want to go to the campout, we would be pleased to have you.

I think your attendance would be a great idea.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on August 24, 2006, 05:22 AM:
 
How many chickens could a chicken choker choke, if a chicken choker could choke chickens?
 

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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on August 24, 2006, 06:03 AM:
 
A chicken choker would choke, as many chickens as a chicken choker could choke, if a chicken choker could choke chickens!
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 24, 2006, 07:15 AM:
 
ACC, you said

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Yes, I guess what angers me is when people say things like all the talent has left and references to everyone else being amatuers except the select few. It insults me.

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You are obviously upset because you are not recognized as an expert. That can easily be done now on this board.
First you must have achieved something.
Then you must have the courage of your convictions, which means you must have courage.
Simply identify yourself and explain what it is that you are convinced of. If it has merit you will be lauded for your achievements.
If you simply respond with more silly insults you will be revealed as nothing more than a troll and you will continue to be treated as such.
You have the opportunity to establish yourself as a member to be respected rather than a troll to be ridiculed.
 

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Posted by ACC (Member # 903) on August 24, 2006, 07:24 AM:
 
Hello,
my name is ACC, I am a coyote hunter and I can and do kill coyotes. Funny Rich, when I met you, you never said anything about me being a troll.

ACC
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on August 24, 2006, 07:37 AM:
 
If you met Rich, you probably werent doing the cloak and dagger thing with "ACC" and "Where yotes have fur" and bs like that.

(btw, its not a big deal, but if you read MOST of the posts from the guys that actually are the real deal in this game, you will seldom hear a coyote called anything but a coyote, unless its canis latrans, yotes normally indicates disrespect and therefore an amateur right off the bat, not always, but alot of the time, thats why you see tons of it on pm and not much here)

Tell us who you are and you might gain instant fame and apologies. Hell, if Rich knows who you are, Im sure he will give credit if its due. Hes as fair and honest as they come. Like he said, if your legit, come clean and you will be taken as such. Nothing has been said thats beyond repair? Hell, Ive said worse to my wife than I have you and were still married. A little mud slingin and name callin dont mean much, to me anyway.

Come on now, just who are you?
 

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Posted by ACC (Member # 903) on August 24, 2006, 07:57 AM:
 
I don't mind the mud slingin deal. A little fun actually.

I don't remember anything when I signed up saying you had to put your real name up for everyone to see and all the rest of your vitals. I don't use my real name on the internet. Until I am confortable with someone I am talking to, I will remain ACC; you remember what happened to Rich Cronk.

Refering to coyotes as yotes, disrespectful. WOW. I never new that. Man, one time I read this book on "The Eastern Coyote" and then I talked to the biologist that wrote it and he too refered to them as yotes during casual conversation. Now I know with my newly acquired BS finder that this guy was an amateur disrespecting nobody and he was from the east to boot. I think I will expose him for what he is now. Can't believe I was taken like that.

Anyways, I like drinking bourbon as well so if anyone has the same taste, maybe we could share a drink around the campfire.

ACC

[ August 24, 2006, 07:57 AM: Message edited by: ACC ]
 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on August 24, 2006, 09:17 AM:
 
I do believe that I have figured out the identity of ACC. Hey, have any of you guys seen the video called "Running from the call"?
 

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Posted by ACC (Member # 903) on August 24, 2006, 09:37 AM:
 
Now thats funny for an old guy I was wondering when you were going to get out of bed
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 24, 2006, 09:46 AM:
 
....that would explain a lot.
 

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Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on August 24, 2006, 11:27 AM:
 
Hell, I was going to bet on Crap.

BTW: ACC what's your bourbon of choice. I like a bourbon martini. 1\2 Old Grandad(100), 1|2 Southern Comfort and a thin slice of orange.

Dennis
 

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Posted by ACC (Member # 903) on August 24, 2006, 11:42 AM:
 
Just a cheap bourbon, Wild Turkey on the rocks.

ACC
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 24, 2006, 12:22 PM:
 
So far, as to this ultra secret identity, etc. Email voting favors BS, with RK a close second.....because he can! IP address doesn't help.
 

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Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 24, 2006, 12:33 PM:
 
I was thinking RK myself. However, I wouldn't rank him as an "amatuer", either. But he's still young enough to enjoy these kinds of games.
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on August 24, 2006, 12:40 PM:
 
Whos RK?
 

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Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on August 24, 2006, 01:01 PM:
 
Some how I thought maybe you were more into Jim Beam? Wild Turkey would go good at the campout, if you go. After all that's how it was named. Turkey hunters sitting around the camp fire drinking 101 proof.

Dennis

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Posted by Baa1 (Member # 930) on August 24, 2006, 01:08 PM:
 
if you have a current membership, use it, amigo.

[ August 24, 2006, 01:27 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 24, 2006, 04:07 PM:
 
Welcome to HM, Baa. What's shakin'?

edit: who is Alberta Coyote Caller? Never heard of him, must be a rookie?

[ August 24, 2006, 04:07 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by brad h (Member # 57) on August 24, 2006, 04:14 PM:
 
I know him, and met him at a hunt a couple years ago. He's a good guy.

Brad

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[ August 24, 2006, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: brad h ]
 

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Posted by Baa1 (Member # 930) on August 24, 2006, 04:20 PM:
 
Leonard,
I actually didn't mean to sound like a troll. Sorry about that. I just happen to like the true proffesional callers like Cal Taylor and Rich Higgins. I can't help it if I like sheep so much either.
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on August 24, 2006, 05:46 PM:
 

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Refering to coyotes as yotes, disrespectful. WOW. I never new that. Man, one time I read this book on "The Eastern Coyote" and then I talked to the biologist that wrote it and he too refered to them as yotes during casual conversation. Now I know with my newly acquired BS finder that this guy was an amateur disrespecting nobody and he was from the east to boot. I think I will expose him for what he is now. Can't believe I was taken like that.

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You must have been talkin to Bill Fartz....
 

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Posted by ACC (Member # 903) on August 24, 2006, 05:50 PM:
 
No, was not Bill. Gerry Parker was his name.

ACC

[ August 24, 2006, 05:58 PM: Message edited by: ACC ]
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 24, 2006, 07:50 PM:
 
ACC, if Brad stands up for you, that is good enough for me. Brad is rock solid. For that reason I will post only positive replies to your posts and try to help you achieve your goal of becoming a famous coyote caller. (or yote ler if you must)
First thing we got to do is get you off that cheap liquor (it made you misspell liquor in your sigline) and it undoubtedly plays havoc with your deductive processes. Maui Wowie is much better.
Second we have to get your persona on a coyote video with lots and lots of dead coyotes while you explain to the viewers exactly what they just watched.(you have to hope that they drink Wild Turkey also)
This is best done behind the locked gates of Texas Ranches where the coyotes run to the squeaking brakes of the ranch truck.
It is possible to find the neccessary densities of virgin ears in remote third world regions such as Mexico or Alberta, but frankly most viewers would have a hard time believing that so many coyotes can be that stupid. (have to consider public plausibilty don'tcha know)
After a couple of such videos we will approach every manufacturer of every product remotely related to predator calling and demand that they sponor our next endeavor or we will take our business to their major competitor and promote the ***** out of their products.
How's it sound so far? Visualize your face on the cover or a bazillion DVDs and your name on the lips of legions of adoring fans.
Better start practicing autographs.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 24, 2006, 08:01 PM:
 
So......how famous does somebody need to get for the groupies to show up??
 

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Posted by brad h (Member # 57) on August 24, 2006, 09:21 PM:
 
Rich,
Just to clarify. I'm not sure who ACC is, and I choose not to speculate. I thought I'd throw the gunslinger a fair welcome before bullets started flying.

Alberta Coyote Caller I can vouch for if it's the same person I think it is. I'm under the assumption he just registered under his common board name leading to Leonard's inquisition.

Unless Leonard received some inside info I know?

Brad

(edit) Nevermind...One of these days I'll figure out 2+2 before the buzzer rings.

He's alright.

[ August 24, 2006, 09:52 PM: Message edited by: brad h ]
 

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Posted by ACC (Member # 903) on August 24, 2006, 10:13 PM:
 
Rich Higgins,

Sometimes my fingers are going faster than the old noodle on top of my shoulders. The critiquing of my spelling is most welcomed. It will get me past the dipshit stage I have been awarded here so far.

Please tell me more about fast tracking to stardom. Who has experience in this that could mentor an angry amateur such as myself.

ACC
 

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Posted by ACC (Member # 903) on August 24, 2006, 10:15 PM:
 
Brad H

I do appreciate the fair and warm welcome. What is it that you do in the Oil industry?

ACC
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 25, 2006, 08:43 AM:
 
Okay, ACC is one of us "Pampass know-it-alls" and deserves our respect.

Quit picking on the guy!
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on August 25, 2006, 09:08 AM:
 
I aint pickin on him. He just made one hell of an entrance, you have to admit!!

No hard feelins on my part ACC, welcome....
 

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Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on August 25, 2006, 06:38 PM:
 
You guys welcome him if you want, but I have no use for a guy whos first post was accusing me of playing in another mans britches. So as far as I care, ACC you can kiss my ass.
 

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Posted by ACC (Member # 903) on August 25, 2006, 07:10 PM:
 
Cal Taylor,

Fair enough. We know where each other stands then.

ACC

[ August 25, 2006, 07:12 PM: Message edited by: ACC ]
 

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Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on August 26, 2006, 06:13 PM:
 
Thats where I stand, unless you care to explain where it was that I insulted you to cause you to come here with your first wonderful post. As far as I remember, I don't remember you. So correct me if I'm wrong, and I have done something to deserve your wrath. Did I visit the great white north and insult the motherland somehow? Or can you find the posts where I said something personally about your sister? If so, I will apologize profusely, but I don't remember insulting any squareheads in the last decade or so. I was up there moose hunting a couple years ago, but stayed in camp and didn't wander to town and cause any trouble so I am at a loss as to why you came over here to troll through.
 

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Posted by PAyotehunter (Member # 764) on August 29, 2006, 06:59 PM:
 
WOW, I must be an amateur!
I just learned there is a fast track to the realm of coyote hunting experts. I also learned that I may offend some by referring to a coyote as a yote. I guess my "handle" is offensive and just goes to show my amateurism.

I have a serious question now.
What's the deal with Bill Martz??
I hear alot of "talk" on here about him. I saw a video from him and the impression I got was this guys an azz hole.
Did anyone ever hear of Tom bechdel??

Somewhere in this thread I was talking about coming to the campout.
I won't be able to make it.
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 29, 2006, 07:21 PM:
 
PAyotehunter, I believe that this is the only board that hasn't banned Bill Martz. He breezes through here now and again. It's always entertaining.
I hunted with Tom Bechdal in Pa. a couple of years ago.
You shouldn't worry too much about your handle. Some guys can get away with it, especially if they can call in NorthEastern coyotes.
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on August 29, 2006, 07:35 PM:
 
Seems I hit a hot spot on the yote thing. Dont really care too much, but its true. If you watch, not always, like I already said, but most of the time, the guys that are the real deal dont use slang for coyotes. They call them what they are.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on August 29, 2006, 07:41 PM:
 
We also call them Brush-wolves
 

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Posted by canine (Member # 687) on August 29, 2006, 07:47 PM:
 
I like Andy's thinkin . I have always, out of respect for one of the craftiest critters huntable, called a coyote, a coyote

So does that make me an official pro or real deal
or am i just bein a dipshit here

JD
 

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Posted by stevecriner (Member # 892) on August 29, 2006, 08:06 PM:
 
Well i dont think your a total dipshit JD. Just kiddin. But i do admit that i have the same repect for the coyote, but i am guilty of calling the animal a yote. See what happens when you set back and absorb all you can. You learn shit that usualy is hard to pick up. I never would have known. I cant wait till that campout. It will be an expieriance for me that i will like alot.
 

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Posted by Clint (Member # 346) on August 29, 2006, 08:20 PM:
 
i am guilty of calling them worst. mostly things that i cant spell.
Clint

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 29, 2006, 08:47 PM:
 
Just for clarity. I also (much) prefer coyote. I do not like the term "yote" at all, never use it.

However, (NOTE) there are no rules on this Board, call them what you want; but be prepared for an occasional sour look from the PC crowd.

I quite often refer to a coyote as a dog, as in:

"I hunted all morning and saw three dogs and a cat".

We have had a number of opinion threads, in the past on what is the most irritating nick name for a coyote.

Usually, "song dog" beats "yote" although I'd be hard pressed to choose between them.

I'm afraid what has been said is true. Experienced coyote hunters do seem to downgrade folks that use the term; "yote". Might not be fair, but that's the way it is.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Jack Roberts (Member # 13) on August 29, 2006, 09:35 PM:
 
I'll take yote over making it a 3 syllable word. Unless you are speaking spanish where 3 syllables is normal.

Jack
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on August 29, 2006, 09:37 PM:
 
I always refer to them as coyotes unless I miss one i've shot at, then I usually call it every cuss word in the book.LOL Good Hunting Chad
 

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Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on August 29, 2006, 11:31 PM:
 

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I'm afraid what has been said is true. Experienced coyote hunters do seem to downgrade folks that use the term; "yote". Might not be fair, but that's the way it is.

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It doesn’t bother me to call raccoon’s coons or Opossums, possums or Prong Horns “Goats” but I cannot get use to the word “yote.” I know it is just a harmless nickname but it drives me nuts. LOL

Come to think of it, I hate it when coyotes are called coyoteeees also. LOL I have it bad I guess because when I read a post that refers to coyotes as yotes I completely lose interest in what they have to say and move on to another thread. Yes, I stereotype people that use the term.

I really don’t think that calling a coyote a “yote” is meant to be or is disrespectful but when I hear it I just think of an arrogant, mouthy little punk playing coyote hunter behind a monitor. That and maybe it is because it is all of the “Internet hunters” that I despise the most use it exclusively. LOL

All of my mentors and all of the people I respect as great coyote men never use the term casually. Right or wrong “yote” is not going away. It is the new hip word on the street maaaaaan. LOL

Good hunting.

Q,
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 30, 2006, 07:02 AM:
 
Maybe they are just too lazy to use the whole word. 'be 'ey 're 'norant 'holes.
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on August 30, 2006, 07:31 AM:
 

 

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Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on August 30, 2006, 07:36 AM:
 
At the risk of sounding holier than thou... Using the word "yote" sounds as if a person is a rank amateur in my book. Like Q, whenever I read anything that refers to coyotes with some sort of made up name I lose interest right away. I can kind of stomach coyotes being called dogs but that is about as far as it goes. JH verbally castrated people for this years ago and I have to agree with him on that.
 

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Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on August 30, 2006, 09:01 AM:
 
I'm kinda late on this thread but here's my 2 cents.

I think PeyoteHunter is a really cool handle.

My favorite (as I've mentioned several times before) is the one syllable plural version pronounced "kautz".

And, just long as you keep your own hands in your own pockets, what's so wrong with letting someone into you jockstrap if it suits them just fine?!?!
 

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Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on August 30, 2006, 10:38 AM:
 
Rich. Since you appeared in both the Trapper & Predator caller plus Predator Extreme this month. Shouldn't that that move you up a few notches on the "Master Meter" what ever that is?.
 

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Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on August 30, 2006, 10:51 AM:
 
Never did like the "Dog" word. Alot of the pickup and Cb hunters in my area call them dogs. "Dog heading East", "Dog down!" Got "three dogs today", etc... It bugs the hell out of me. I can live with yotes, at least I know you are not talking about farm dogs. lol
 

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Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on August 30, 2006, 11:07 AM:
 
How do you pronounce yote?

Is it a one syllable contraction of the two syllable coyote (ki-yote)?

Or is it a 2 syllable word (yoh-tee) made by shortening the three syllable coyote (ki-yoh-tee)?

Never heard the term used first had.

Dog doesn't bother me and use it myself, especially to identify the male.

None of the above really bothers me much, I have more important things to get riled about. Song dog or yodel dog; however, make me ill.
 

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Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 30, 2006, 11:39 AM:
 

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LOL, Loco. You can still come up with a good one every now and then. But that last sentence has me wonderin'.
 

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Posted by PAyotehunter (Member # 764) on August 30, 2006, 02:03 PM:
 
Leonard,
Could you please change my screen name to PeyoteHunter, that way I can at least be cool.
Thanks

Rich H,
What did you think of Tom B ?
I remember people talking about him six or seven years ago. He was claiming to kill between one and two hundred coyotes a year in western PA. Rumor was he was on someones "pro staff" and after everyone laughing and calling him out they dropped him.
He put out a video and now there talking about him again, here is one thread http://huntnpa.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1156080961 .
I rate him up there with Bill M, a lying A-hole.
Tom is charging over $100 for one of his seminars. I went to a Dennis Kirk coyote hunting seminar in the early 90's and felt violated when it was over, and that was only $30. I have a little respect for Dennis K. I felt his seminar was helpful for someone just starting out, plus he at least had pictures and videos(even though they were filmed in the west)to show that he has hunted and shot coyote.
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 30, 2006, 02:56 PM:
 
I much prefer the term "coyote". Two syllables, straight forward. If I'm ever so damned busy that I can't allow myself the luxury of adding enough breath to make that second syllable, then I'm, well, too damned busy.

Now, I'd never thought of using the term yote, as in yo-tee. I didn't think there was anything worser then coyoteee, but you have certainly found it. Makes my skin crawl just thinking about it. Go find someone that uses that term and invite them on over since we seem to be finished rattling ACC's cage. We's needin' fresh meat.

And Loco, what the hell are you talking about? You're scaring me, man.
 

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Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on August 30, 2006, 03:09 PM:
 
CANIS LATRANS (barking dog)yote , dog ,coyote, coyotee. what ever you wanna call em as long as long as we all know what they are whats the difference. I love em , and have refered to them as all of the above as well as fury little cunning bastard.Meaning no disrespect whatsoever.
 

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Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on August 30, 2006, 03:36 PM:
 
I wrote off Tom B many years ago when he was claming to shoot around 200 coyotes and 100 fox a year in PA and NH. Sounds like he has a good line of shit so I am sure he will make some money.

Good hunting.

Q.
 

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Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on August 30, 2006, 03:37 PM:
 
Edit; double post

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Posted by stevecriner (Member # 892) on August 30, 2006, 03:44 PM:
 
I look at it like this. And im not stickin my hands in nobodys jockstrap here but think about this way.

I read over at PM about this topic. Everyone ofcourse is sayin who cares what you call them and screw them self rightouse pricks, more or less.

But i figure i dont think a person is bad for calling them yotes, but you got to think of it this way. If the very people that has tought us all about coyote huntin and about them in general as far as there habbits and vocalzations,etc, thinks they(coyote) ought to be respected more . Maybe we should think about just calling them coyotes out of respect for the animal and the people that know alot more than alot of us and have shown alot of us the way. And i keep saying us because i learn somnthing evryday from some of you. Including that if a guy dont show a lil repect he as well wont be respected. And im not jacking anybody off , its just a thought.

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on August 30, 2006, 03:57 PM:
 
I think its funny when other boards read something and then gotta have their own conversation to stroke each other and make sure everyones feelings are ok.

All you gotta do is read and pay attention. See whos calling coyotes and whos calling yotes in everyday conversation. Its all in the archives. Then its pretty easy to see who are the real hunters and who are the ass patters.

 

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Posted by TheHuntedOne (Member # 623) on August 30, 2006, 04:36 PM:
 
Nobody, and I mean not even God himself has ever shot 200 coyotes and 1oo fox in New Hampshire. They only trapped 659 coyotes last year.

Even if he said he only shot 50% of them in NH he would still be 100% full of crap.

By the way, they are not coyotes here, they are CoyDogs. We don't have coyotes. Ask any old timer. CoyDogs we got, coyotes, no.

This is New England, can't tell anyone anything and you can't tell me anyone shoots 100 coyotes a year here cause we ain't got any.

Al
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on August 30, 2006, 05:58 PM:
 
I might as well throw in my .2 worth. I call them coyote most of the time. It dosent bother me to much if they are called something else. What strikes a nerve on me is when they call a female coyote a wet bitch.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 30, 2006, 05:59 PM:
 
200 coyotes a year in PA. & NH?? Yeah right, and somebody's peeing in my pocket and trying to tell me that it's raining. That guy should go visit Krusty to show him how to hunt the thick stuff & Krusty could show him how to at least be honest about not getting anything.

OK......now that we all love & respect the coyote and call him by his proper name comes the big question; Do we respect the coyote as a game animal enough to hold off sport hunting during the denning & early summer season? (Question does not apply to control work by real ADC guys). "Saw a can of worms & just had to open it."

Loco; even if you shave your legs & other body parts you're still not going to get your hands in my jock strap. I can hire women to do that and repeat the phrase "But it's so big" without laughing. Sorry!!
 

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Posted by PAyotehunter (Member # 764) on August 30, 2006, 06:36 PM:
 
I have two questions.
Who is Krusty??

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I can hire women to do that and repeat the phrase "But it's so big" without laughing.

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on August 30, 2006, 06:37 PM:
 
Absolutely. No hunting from March to Sept, at least. For me anyway...
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 30, 2006, 06:55 PM:
 
As I've stated before, the reason I cringe at the term "coyote-ee" is because in this part of the world, the people you hear pronounce it that way just tend to not have any mud in their wheel wells. Most of them are townies that don't hunt, can't hunt, and generally won't hunt. Those that do hunt or who live in the country call them coyotes.

I generally do not refer to them generically as "dogs". When I do use that term, I'm referring specifically to the male coyote in the context of differentiating the animal or the situation in which it was called from targeting a female.

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This term doesn't bother me if the person saying it is using it in its proper context - discussing a lactating bitch. If someone has a habit of referring to all female coyotes as lactating bitches, then that just shows ignorance.

From a technical standpoint, I also don't have a problem with anyone properly using the terms "dog", "bitch", "sire" or "dam". All are appropriate when used in referring to canines as long as they're used accurately. Just my .02.
 

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Posted by canine (Member # 687) on August 30, 2006, 07:43 PM:
 
Kokopelli,
All i can say is that yes, i respect the cunning little bastards (coyotes that is )but i still enjoy killin them.

As for goin as far as putting a season on them as a game animal. Nah.

JD
 

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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on August 30, 2006, 07:45 PM:
 
I don't obsess over this issue either, but admittedly, Im mildly annoyed when I hear the term "yote", probably equals my annoyance with the pronunciation of "Leupold" scopes, called Leopold....like fingernails on a chalkboard kind of thing with me,same as with calling a coyote, a "yote".
I will use the term "dog", but only when referring to the male,as in "I shot a big old dog this morning",other than that, it's always coyote.
I had to peek over at the PA site, Andy pretty much nailed it, same guy who tosses around the term "yote" is the same guy who shoots them and lets em lay,is the same guy,who revels in showing pictures of guts blown across the pasture,and on and on,they stick out like a sore thumb.
But hey, the term thats even harder to get a guys mind around,and pronounce correctly is "Sako"(Sock-o) 8 out of 10 times I bet you'll hear them called "Say-co",or the most misused firearms/hunting term,"clip", that one grinds my teeth, when the correct term is "magazine".
Lots to irratate we hunters ehh......
 

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Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 30, 2006, 07:49 PM:
 

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THO, I can guess where the "Dog" part came from, but where do you suppose they think the "Coy" part of the equation comes from? Artificial insemination?
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on August 30, 2006, 07:49 PM:
 
Same here, as far as the three syllable pronounciation. Only people I've ever heard call them coyotees around here are people that don't hunt.

"Do we respect the coyote as a game animal enough to hold off sport hunting during the denning & early summer season?"

Sure. No sweat. For me anyway. Same time though, I'm not religous about it, and don't really care if somebody else wants to go suffer in the heat to hunt coyotes. It's really none of my business and experience has shown that God makes plenty of coyotes and I'll still do just fine starting in the fall - even in the same areas that get hunted early by others. I do get embarrassed for the guys who come back from killing a pup and have to post pictures and tell the story, milk mustache and all.

- DAA
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on August 30, 2006, 07:51 PM:
 
Uh, Vic, how do you pronounce Leupold? I may be gettin that one wrong?
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on August 30, 2006, 07:55 PM:
 
Vic, my whole life, I've been saying "Sock-o". That's what my Dad called his Sako's, so that's how I've always said it. Until just recently. I've got an L579 here, fitted with a Krieger barrel, and for the life of me I can't get this thing to shoot like I think it should. So pissed off at the rifle, that I'm now and forever more calling the gawdamn things "Say-Koes". It feels good to intentionally disrespect them when I say it that way, now.

- DAA
 

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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on August 30, 2006, 07:57 PM:
 
Calling them anything but a coyote does kind of annoy me, but it's no big thing.

What really gets me is seeing pictures of guy in a doo rag and shades who think I should take them seriously as a hunter.

Is you show up to go hunting with me, dressed like this guy, you will find me sitting behind your strong shoulder, watching you and not for any incoming coyotes.


 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on August 30, 2006, 07:58 PM:
 
Andy, that would be just exactly the way it's spelled .

"Loo-pold".

- DAA
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on August 30, 2006, 08:05 PM:
 
Tim B. Ha Ha Ha ouch that hurt
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on August 30, 2006, 08:08 PM:
 
Hehehe, just yankin Vics chain....

Thanks Dave.
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 30, 2006, 08:19 PM:
 
Season closes on fox and bobcat March 15- Aug 15. Coyotes deserve the same respite. Life during that time is hard enough.
TOM BECHDAL. I hunted with him two years ago for three days. Unfortunately remnants of a hurricane came breezing through the state with rain and 40 knot winds. He called anyway with no luck, so I didn't see how he handles his coyotes.
His calling technique and calling skill were excellent, almost exactly like Brent Saxton, who I believe is one of the best callers I have ever called with. He didn't make any outrageous claims to me, so I was a little surprised to see him claim 257 coyotes in the last three years in Oh. and Pa. He is disabled so he doesn't work a 9 to 5 and spends as many days as he wishes calling. If he was in an area with good densities he could do well. If he is claiming big numbers it would be a little disappointing.
 

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Posted by PAyotehunter (Member # 764) on August 30, 2006, 08:38 PM:
 
Rich H.
You must of been here during the same storm as Byron South.
Here is another link to another board where people are talking about Tom B. Its a long thread with a lot of opinons.
http://www.huntingpa.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=UBB26&Number=641060&page=1&fpart=1

Here in PA coyotes are open 365 days a year 24/7, you can hunt them with a general license or a furtakers. I've been telling people for years that coyotes are a furbearer and you should need a furtakers license to be able to hunt them.
Most of the coyotes in this state are shot by chance and left to rot. They are shot by deer "hunters"(archery,rifle,muzzleloader), Bear hunters, Turkey hunters, Etc etc.
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on August 30, 2006, 08:54 PM:
 
Tim,
You mean you wont take the leader of Team Hammerdog hunting?
 

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Posted by TheHuntedOne (Member # 623) on August 30, 2006, 09:04 PM:
 
We just defeated an effort here in NH to alow night hunting from Jan 1 to Aug 31. This was being pushed by one of our fish and game commisioners.

Currently night hunting end on March 31.

We won and it stays like it is, Jan 1 to Mar 31.

But it was close. No respect here for coyotes at all.

Al
 

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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on August 30, 2006, 10:30 PM:
 
Damn Tim; I thought I had a great Xmas gift idea for you this year too....a GG series matching doo-rag and shades combo! All the savvy hunters are gonna be wearing this fashionable sartorial splendor come fall! Oh well...I'll think of something appropriate....maybe an airedale pup!

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 30, 2006, 10:53 PM:
 
PeyoteHunter; Krusty is a legend who may or may not still be around here. Hunter & call maker from the Pacific NorthWet who has never killed a coyote. Noted for being stubborn and not playing well with others when stressed. To his credit, he has kept trying year after year. I believe that he still has an offer outstanding; "Come to the Cascades with him, call & kill 3 coyotes in one day, and he'll eat the third one raw."
 

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Posted by Rowney (Member # 934) on August 31, 2006, 06:05 AM:
 
Fine time to make a post on here, but I will for the hell of it.

I come over here and read a few things every couple of days b/c I realize several people on here know what the hell they are talking about. I havent posted yet, because I havent seen the need to. However I started a thread on PM b/c of things I read at JH's site, and things I have heard from other boards, this thread had only brought this up once or twice before I posted that thread, at least since I had been on here. I find it comical that they both got going at the same time, and that anyone would think i would come read things on here and then go post it on PM. However, I do see how that could be seen that way, and my apologies for it coming across that way. I didnt ask my question here b/c i thought i knew the answer from all of you, though maybe i dont, as i still havent gotten an answer anywhere else.

So i will ask, are there not other and completely better ways to determine someones credibility than what they call a coyote? Dont get me wrong, The only time i say yote is when i am typing as its faster and easier. Others may do it b/c they think its neat or cool or whatever else, but i think it sounds funny to say out loud, so I dont do it. But, when i read posts from Rich, Nasa, GG, Byron, or whoever else (and i dont care that you guys dont get along ) The last thing i would ever look at is what you call a coyote, I think there is a lot more stuff i need to know that that. I just dont see disrespect, that to me is shooting in the spring or summer for fun to let them lay there and rot, and a multitude of other things that are worse than calling them a "yote"
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on August 31, 2006, 06:20 AM:
 
Well, it looks like all the bruised feelings have been consoled and asses patted back to health.

Wow, a fellas gotta be careful about what he posts. Doesnt just fire up a board anymore. It runs like wildfire thru the entire net now.

Hey Cal, you got any room for late coming lope hunters? If a man kills early, can he shoot yotes or poodles? Got any good streams to catch bows?

See how ignorant that sounds?

[ August 31, 2006, 06:25 AM: Message edited by: Andy L ]
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 31, 2006, 07:24 AM:
 
Hi Rowney. I'm glad to see you over here, I've always enjoyed our exchanges. I'm sure you already know the answer to your question. You are simply making conversation with others of like ilk and enjoying the mixed replies. I've read some of the posts on the other boards and the comments about "proper" names and they are mostly entertaining even when they couch snide remarks about us over here.
But to your question, my opinion, plain and simple
the "proper" name for a coyote is often colloquial and proper to that specific region.
Historically, "coyote" is a Spanish corruption of the Nauhuatl or Aztec "coyotl". The Navajo, who revered the coyote and referred to it as "God's dog" called the coyote mah-ih. Canis latrans is simply the Latin specific name given to the species in 1819 by the biologist Thomas Say. So take your pick as to what is proper.
I remember a fellow posting on one of the boards some time back. He logged on as Masteryoteslayer and his first post went something like "I just got into predator calling and want to know what is the best rifle for coyotes."
The concept that we are dealing with here, Rowney, is perception. How do you want to be perceived by experienced peers?

[ August 31, 2006, 07:27 AM: Message edited by: Rich Higgins ]
 

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Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 31, 2006, 07:25 AM:
 
Andy, to me it doesn't sound so much "ignorant" as it sounds "disingenuous". Right or wrong, it projects an image of youthful, boisterous, inexperience.
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on August 31, 2006, 07:45 AM:
 
That is a better word NASA. Thanks.

As usual, Mr Higgins hit it on the noggin. And, I almost said something when challenged with no man alive could know the real name. I figgered Rich would know. ( I dont know if Im allowed to call him Higgy yet or not.)

Ill get off the subject and quit stirring. It was brought to this board, that another board was talking about this thread, by a member of both. I read it and its just sickeningly typical of that board. Seems to be alot of thin skins and folks that egos need to be stroked by each other, even if the original author never posted it on their board. Gets old. I think the point has been well made by many and you can pretty well see where everyone stands. Point made.
 

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Posted by Rowney (Member # 934) on August 31, 2006, 08:41 AM:
 
Thank you Rich! Another point, there are two diferent sides to this story here. When you ask a question the way Andy put it, yes you all three are correct, but there is more to that than just their terminology. If you look at it from that side, yes, its just as Tom put it. My contention was that say a person of much experience just happens to ask" I called in a pair of yotes yesterday, I was fully covered in the brush, downwind, using a howl sequence, and they busted me immediately...anyway you get my point that there is a big difference in the two, and I am speaking of the latter. and dont hold me to that question, its only for arguments sake!

And if someone comes on the board with a name like that and has neve done anything, yes it makes you wonder. hence I use my real name, b/c the way i see it, it doesnt matter the medium of exchange, you better be yourself, b/c the "experts" (no pun intended ) will bust your ass in a heartbeat.

[ August 31, 2006, 09:10 AM: Message edited by: Rowney ]
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 31, 2006, 12:01 PM:
 
Rowney, if someone were to post a series of "Look at me! Look at me!" posts which included an avatar of an alien insect in do-rag, in which he described "busting a bunch of 'yotes" that person should not be surprised when he was well received by novices only. If a person were to make a series of solid posts I don't think it would matter much if they called themselves Hillary "yotebuster" Clinton. First impressions are important but knowledge, experience and attitude will ultimately decide how you are perceived by whichever group you join.
 

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Posted by Rowney (Member # 934) on August 31, 2006, 12:20 PM:
 
You know my first thought at a screen name was in fact Hillary Yotebuster clinton, but i then realized that would offend so many coyotes that i couldnt live with myself. Talk about dual-disrespect!

Well, anyway, its actually going to be cool enough this weekend (highsin the mid to upper 80's) that we are going to call in between blasting a few doves in west texas. Hopefully that will put an end to my goofball questions. I get so damned bored that theres no telling what I will come up with next!
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on September 02, 2006, 09:54 PM:
 
Kokopelli,

I am not still around, but since your e-mail isn't available I'll post;

I am certainly no legend, infamous maybe, but not legendary.

The challenge goes:
If ANYONE can come here (to my county), and kill three coyotes, over three consecutive days, I'll eat the third one.
I never said nothin' about raw either.

Krusty
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on September 05, 2006, 05:48 AM:
 
Krusty; I stand corrected......but I was pretty close.
 

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Posted by LionHo (Member # 233) on September 05, 2006, 10:15 PM:
 
Krusty did, IIRC, call a mountain lion. At least once. That in itself qualifies as quite an accomplishment, one worth a great many coyote, in my book.
He also makes uniquely figured, exceptionally ergonomic and very beautiful open-reed custom calls. (For his friends...so you be nice now, hear?)
LionHo

[ September 05, 2006, 10:22 PM: Message edited by: LionHo ]
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on September 05, 2006, 11:43 PM:
 
Ill vouch for Krustys calls. I got one and Im impressed. I find myself grabbing it more often all the time.

Thanks Krusty!!
 

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Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on September 12, 2006, 12:14 PM:
 
Me too Krusty! Thanks!

Jeeepers did my words ever get misconcruified! No, Koko', I won't shave my legs and attempt to get into your pants. I will however, put my hands in my pockets and allow you to go to town if you like! That's what I was really trying to say. But be warned, there may not be a lot to find there. LOL (but keep in mind, I wasn't talking to anyone imparticular, see?)

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Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on September 12, 2006, 03:05 PM:
 
Uh-oh, that does it! The AC-DC cat is out of the closet now. Separate rooms from now on.
 

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Posted by bigben (Member # 864) on September 13, 2006, 04:45 PM:
 
huh this thread gets me thinkin. when I am with people I hunt with and trap with I call em everything but the right name. ote(coyote) that is one syllable grinner(opossums) coons or bandits(raccoon) greys, ghosts(grey foxs) reds(red fox). I guess that I am a real amature. the only time that I spell it out coyote 3 syllables and raccoon is when I speak at youth field days. mainly because they don't speak fur hunter i guess I don't know. oh well

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