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Krustyklimber
prefers the bunny hugger pronunciation: ky o tee
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posted May 13, 2007 08:37 PM
Here's something y'all can do.
Anyone remember when we all put targets on the HM coyote?
Here's a picture of a big elk, so's Tim knows what one looks like.
Take two shots, one at the 120yds the picture was taken from, and another at twice that distance.
(*Edit the wind is blowing 10mph quartering right and away)
Describe what you'd shoot him with, and why you'd pick that shot.
I'm really busy, but I'll play later if I get some time, mostly I'm hoping I'll learn something.
(*It's much easier to pick the shot with a camera) ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Krusty 
[ May 13, 2007, 08:39 PM: Message edited by: Krustyklimber ]
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Tim Behle
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posted May 13, 2007 09:30 PM
My first choice would be the solid circle. But that looks like it may be a pretty big drop off behind him, and he is most likely to run down hill. So depending on what is behind him ( Easy access or a long climb back up ) I might take the zero shot and hope to take out the shoulder and drop him where he is standing.
For a rifle, I'd use the 7 Remington Magnum. It's my favorite big bore. I'm still not sure about my choice of bullet, the 162 Amax is my favorite, but I might want something a little heavier, and more solid for Elk
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Leonard
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posted May 13, 2007 10:23 PM
either distance, lung shot just behind the shoulder, two inches rearward of Tim's "O"...maybe a bit higher?
Good hunting. LB
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slydog
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posted May 13, 2007 11:08 PM
Krusty,
Grasshopper, You have come far. I see you differently than I used to. Good question. Should be a lot of good answers come from this one.
Well my answer is going to be at the small end of the spectrum as everyone knows I shoot small caliber rifles but I'm still going to give my thoughts.
Krusty, Q:"Take two shots, one at the 120yds the picture was taken from, and another at twice that distance."
(*Edit the wind is blowing 10mph quartering right and away)
Sly, A: I shoot a Tac20, 4000fps, 40grn berger bullet ( I know that there are many who will scoff at my responce but I also have 17 big game animals to my credit with this caliber)and have lost NONE in the proccess.
At 120 yards I would place my shot behind the front sholder and mid chest, from the results of my kills with this combination, this shot would take out the lungs and possably heart and liver. With this round and this distance the wind would not even factor in.
At 240 yards, I woulden't change a thing. What I described above would not change enough to dictate making any changes...
The pro's of this caliber: flatt, fast and accurite with no recoil. Pinpoint accuricy and volosity are hard to beat....
The con's of this caliber: with a .204 diamiter bullit there will not be much of a blood trail. Avoid heavy bone and muscle and never take a marginal shot. Keep this in mind when using any small caliber.
I also shoot many hundreds, if not thousands of rounds every year. I'm able to spend from 200 to 250 days a year in the field and that allows me to get lots of time in the scope.
I have killed more elk with a bow than with a rifle but I have killed a few (7) with my old standby, 25.06 shooting a Barnes 100 grn XLC or the triple shock with deadly results. BTW I would shoot it the same way either way...... I pick my shots and try to always pass on a bad shots. This last season I killed a 740 lb cow elk with my Tac20. One shot, 140 yards. She traveled 20 yards, 10 on her feet and 10 on her face.
Bullet placement is key, seccondly is the importance of an accurate rifle/ cartridge, Knowing the distance and the effective range of your cartridge. Don't forget being in an area that has game helps..... ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Thats just my 2 cents
sly
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Lonny
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posted May 14, 2007 07:24 AM
From my point of view and looking at the position of the front legs, that elk is quartering towards the shooter. Not a broadside shot by any means. For that reason, I'm shooting/angling for the offside shoulder. I'll shoot just above Tim's solid dot. My shot might cost me a little meat and be tough on some standard bullets, but give me a Nosler Partition and that shot is no problem.
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RagnCajn
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posted May 14, 2007 10:08 AM
Elk hunting with a 20TAC? Humph, maybe the HMR is a long range coyote gun after all.
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Az-Hunter
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posted May 14, 2007 12:33 PM
You took the words right out of my mouth Randy. Just shows you what happens in the summer. First it's slinging lead at coyotes to far away to shoot, now it's BB guns for bull elk.....what's next I wonder?
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Melvin
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posted May 14, 2007 01:14 PM
If i was as good as,slydog,i would hold about 6" below the eye ball and let her rip.Sure would save a lot of meat,and the elk would drop on the spot.Since i'm old and shaky,i would hold about the same place as,Tim,the"O"on the left.With an elk standing at that angle,i think it would be the perfect shot,taking out all the vitals.I wouldn't reccomend that shot with one of the squirrel calibers tho.
17hmr? Thats a bee bee gun,for heavens sake!LOL
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tlbradford
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posted May 14, 2007 02:23 PM
I would be a little higher and a little further back then Tim's donut circle. This would give me a good chance of taking out both lungs and heart. The leg position makes me think that the bull is dead broadside to me. I think that the foreleg being back and the head turned makes it appear that it is quartering towards me.
At either distance I would shoot it with anything from a .243 and up. I used to hunt everything with my .25-06. 117 grain hollowpoints would absolutely obliterate the major internal organs, and no, there was never any bullet fragments to recover.
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furhvstr
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posted May 14, 2007 04:28 PM
Some of you shooting that elk in the shoulder are the same guys shooting coyotes at 4 and 5 hundred yards even at night. 120 yd neck shot is a lot easier than a three hundred yd coyote. Cutting up my own big game for years and hate throwing away front shoulders.
By the way I am a new guy. Leonard recruited me.
Bobcat hunter/trapper from Ca.
Hello all.
P.S. How do I do spell check on here?
[ May 14, 2007, 04:29 PM: Message edited by: furhvstr ]
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Tim Behle
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posted May 14, 2007 04:49 PM
furhvstr,
Welcome to the greatest calling board on the net!
We done got all knowed up on spel cheekin from Kevinkkaller, You wil hav to ask him for the sekret recipy
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Leonard
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posted May 14, 2007 05:27 PM
Welcome to the New Huntmasters, furhvstr . Glad to have you on board.
I can count on one hand the number of personal invitations I have extended in the past couple of years. I believe this gentleman has something to offer.
Good hunting. LB
edit: no bells and whistles on HM, including spellcheckers
[ May 14, 2007, 05:29 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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Krustyklimber
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posted May 14, 2007 05:41 PM
Tim,
The ground back there rolls gently down, and then steeply back up the hill again.
He's standing on the end of a small ridgeline, so everything around him is downhill (and so is the truck).
That's my advice to an elk hunter... hunt uphill from camp. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Sly,
You make an interesting statement, "I see you differently than I used to."
I have to wonder how much of it is "you guys see me differently" and how much of it is "I am different"?
If you shot this elk with your .20 you'd go to jail.
You better bring a .243 or bigger to Washington.
Lonny,
You are correct, he's quartering back towards me, about to wheel around and head back into the trees.
If we were hunting stealthily and camo'ed up, he might not be looking right at us, and we might have more time to shoot.
I like your thinking.
Furharvester,
Dude, I like you, you just kick in the door and start killin' the bad guys. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Leonard doesn't often recruit, that makes you "highly interesting" right from the get go.
You guys that are still cat trapping in California are a huge inspiration to me.
I've learned a lot on this site, about trapping, I look forward to your input on the subject. Welcome indeed.
Krusty
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furhvstr
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posted May 14, 2007 06:07 PM
I've caught six or seven cats in cages since we lost our traps. Mostly fool around with them for fun. 24 hour check sucks. Harvest my fur with .17's and .19's, some shotgun. Night hunting is the greatest.
Thanks for the welcome guys.
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KevinKKaller
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posted May 14, 2007 07:56 PM
Thanks Tim ! I Ditched spelling class to hunt coyotes.
I DO KILL MORE COYOTES than corect spelled words LOL.
KK Donut no mater 270 300wm 7mmwm good sierra game king bullet.
Good hunting Kevin
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Steve Craig
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posted May 15, 2007 06:13 AM
Welcome Mercer.
We wont hold it against you that you use a 17...............
Well maybe Leonard would! hehe
Glad to have another cage trapper around.
As far as the elk goes, I dont need two shots, and I would rather slip in close and zip a Crossbow bolt right where Leonard said to put his shot. Much more fun, and the elk is just as dead and zero meat ruined. But that is just me.
Steve
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Rich Higgins
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posted May 15, 2007 07:29 AM
Like Steve, I would sneak in as close as possible.
Then I would show it a picture of Rich Cronk. Ruins a lot of meat though.
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Leonard
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posted May 15, 2007 10:44 AM
That's not fair, Higgins.
Rich Cronk is not even close to the ugliest man on the Internet.... although he may crack the top ten?
Sounds like a good poll question, though?
Good hunting. LB
edit: hey, you still have that pic of Bill Martz?
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Rich Higgins
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posted May 15, 2007 11:21 AM
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Leonard
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posted May 15, 2007 12:09 PM
I'm practically rolling on the floor! Bill wins! Dream on, Rich Cronk!
Good hunting. LB
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Paul Melching
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posted May 15, 2007 06:21 PM
You guys are killin me!
now back to elk Im with mr craig only Id be using a compound bow at 35 yds seems like a challenge. hunting them with a rifle isnt that a little like hunting a garge door.I mean after you locate em and all.Though im speaking with no experience whatsoever as I've not been fortunate enough to get drawn and not yet willing to spend ten grand for the privlage.
PM
edited: because I cant compose a sentence
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Buffalobob
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posted May 27, 2007 12:21 PM
I think I already killed that elk at 968 yards with a 34 inch barreled 7mm Allen Magnum shooting a 200 grain Wildcat RBBT HP at 3340 fps. Topped the rifle with a 8-32X 56mmNF and a NP R2 reticle in a tiger striped A-5 stock.
Yep, I just checked and that one is already dead. Y'all will have to find a new one.
Smacked him right in the heart, twice
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furhvstr
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posted May 27, 2007 04:49 PM
Cool Rifle! What case is it based on?
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Leonard
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posted May 27, 2007 06:09 PM
That's Kirby Allen, (a member here) in Fort Shaw, MT. I think it might be based on the 338 Lapua, as is several others he designed? Right BB? Kirby did my 223Ackley, which I use quite a bit on daylights. He does a good job and get's it back to you before you have forgotten why you wanted it.
Good hunting. LB
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Buffalobob
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posted May 29, 2007 06:03 PM
Kirby Allen has developed a line of wildcat cartridges based upon the 338 Lapua Magnum with less body taper and the shoulder set forward and at a sharp angle. It will burn about 105 grains of Hodgdens US 869 behind a Richard Graves Wildcat 200 grains bullet. The 7mm is the best behaved of Kirby's 338LM based wildcats. It shoots about 0.4 MOA off of a bipod laying in the dirt. With a 34 inch barrel it is not of any real use for stalking animals or walking around hunting.
It just all depends upon what you enjoy doing and what your goals are. If you read the pig story you can see that I get some fun out of doing somewhat wierd shooting tricks.
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