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Posted by BigO (Member # 1062) on April 02, 2008, 07:46 AM:
I stopped by a friend's house last night for a beer. I knew I was in for something good when he said "Check this out!!" He reached over to the kitchen counter and picked up an innocent looking childrens book.
The book was blue in color and had an illistrated picture of a mommy, daddy and baby penguin on the cover, So I thought! It was titled, "and Tango makes three". My friend told me that his son who is in 1st grade brought this book home from the school library.
He opened the book and began reading it out loud. I followed along until he got to the part about how the two penguins were both boys and didn't like girls and that during the time of year when the girls notice the boys, that these two penguins noticed each other. It teaches that this is O.K.
It goes on to describe the two boy penguins going through mating dances. Then how "Mr. Gramzay" (my friend pointed out that if you subtract the "ramz" from the name it says Mr. Gay.)the zoo keeper, takes an egg from another couple of penguins and gives to the gay ones.
The two gay penguins hatch the egg and raise the chick. They name the chick "Tango". It even mentions that Tango has two daddys!! In the authors notes it says that this is a true story that took place at the Central Park Zoo.
I personally don't care where it took place, or if it was true. I don't want my 7 year old reading it. You can call me Communist if you want, but I think this book should be burnt. I think the majority of people would agree that they don't want their kids reading a book that teaches that homosexuality is not only O.K. but a good thing.
I know there are a bunch of bleeding heart Democrats out there that will argue that it's wrong to censor books. But lets go to the school library and show me where the bible is. I bet you wont find it. So I say get this book outta my kids school, if someone wants their kid to read it, then they can buy it. If they don't want to ban the book then at least don't let any kid take it, make the parents sign a form saying their kid can read the book about the homo penguins!!!!!!!
Posted by skoal (Member # 1492) on April 02, 2008, 12:04 PM:
Just one more reason for school vouchers.
Our childrens education is in the hands of the _________!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 02, 2008, 12:37 PM:
LIBERALS
Posted by skoal (Member # 1492) on April 02, 2008, 12:39 PM:
Very good Leonard!
Posted by browning204 (Member # 821) on April 03, 2008, 09:44 AM:
That's F'ed
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on April 03, 2008, 10:40 AM:
I'm not suggesting that anyone here ought to homeschool, but let me assure you that for this kind of crap and many other reasons, we do !
Posted by tlbradford (Member # 1232) on April 03, 2008, 10:56 AM:
Maybe Leonard can chime in here, but I think California is trying to pass legislation that would make it illegal for kids to be homeschooled if the stay at home parent did not have teaching accreditations. Parents who chose to home school their kids would be subject to fines and criminal prosecution.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,335808,00.html
And here is the more conservative slant on the issue.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28644
I had great teachers growing up, but the liberal bias in the schools is horrible. I get so sick and tired of liberals ranting how conservatives are close minded, because we don't belive that their way is the only way. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Posted by skoal (Member # 1492) on April 03, 2008, 10:59 AM:
Hey Local
You have my deepest respect home schooling is no small task and is a huge responsibility as well as the best way to insure a proper education.
[ April 03, 2008, 11:00 AM: Message edited by: skoal ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 03, 2008, 12:08 PM:
Yes, they are working on some sort of bill outlawing home schooling. Of course, they have been really bird dogging the issue for years? On the other hand, they don't get a discount on their taxes, so why would the state of CA care? Well, my opinion is it's the friggin' teachers union that views it as a threat to their total dominance of our children's minds.
At one time, I thought home schooling was weird, didn't understand the concept, but I don't think it is only for religious zelots any more. The problem is that the educational system is going down the toilet and all the Dems want to do is throw more money at it, which is what they want to do with every issue; more Bureaucracy, put all those disadvantaged minorities to work in government jobs starting at $94,010 per year.
There is no justice in this world and half of the people are friggin' crazy!
Good hunting. LB
[ April 03, 2008, 12:09 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 03, 2008, 12:26 PM:
I have a cousin in Mo. that home schools his kids. I was down there a few years back for a visit and thats when i found out. All his kids seem very smart for there ages so it must work..
We also have a farmer here in Mn that home schools his kids as well and they also seem very bright for there ages.. I asked why they home school and and here are a few reasons i got , one is keeping there kids away from drugs and from badd kids that have parents that don't give a rats ass about them, and also bad teachers that are just there for the paycheck..
Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on April 04, 2008, 06:27 AM:
The idea of a book like that is completely wrong. Period. Particularly in our heartland.
Unfortunately, our education systems are a reflection of our society. Clean that up and the educational systems will follow. Won't happen.
I have mixed emotions on home schooling simply because some who do it are the last people on earth that should be doing it while some, like I suspect Loco is, are first class at it. Bottom line - it is a freedom that should not be denied.
The part where I really suspect that home-schooled children's education is lacking is highlighted in TA's post as reasons for doing it - the exposure to and competition with all forms and levels of society.
Once that isolated home-schooling is completed and those poor innocent lambs are turned loose in the big-bad world they are going to be eaten alive.
I realize that individual sets of parents can help with that education and prepare their children better, but it still ain't the same as the street smarts you acquire and need to get by as an adult.
I know that there are multi-state home school associations that provide group activities such as sports teams and all of that, but it still ain't the same.
Personally, I'm all for going back to nothing more than a modified one room schoolhouse approach.
When it comes to the three R's you have one group of kids of the same age studying the same material at the same pace and in a sense competing one on one, kinda sorta like real life. Some will excel, some will do OK, and some will fail or need additional help or a kick in the pants. Kinda like real life.
I considered myself a "victim" during the early days of switching to the more modern system of teaching in the Missouri schools. In the late 60's or very early 70's my class was the first one to be split up by ability. I don't remember what they called it/us but it was not good for anyone.
Those of us in the "smart" group were subjected to more rigorous material and a steeper grading curve. There may have been a social stigma for being a nerd but I don't remember it and would have kicked anybody's ass that suggested it - and have not suffered too severely for it. Those were different times and a whole new subject.
I started my freshman year of high school in classes populated by nothing but seniors and a very few of us victims of discrimination. (Think Jesse will pick up my cause?) We had a hard row to hoe, though I think the lower levels paid an even higher price.
It was kind of business as usual for those in the middle ranks but they had to endure a bit of a social stigma for being just kinda average, etc...
Their educational material was dumbed down a bit, too. It was my observation that a lot of this group became complacent and lost the will to grab for a higher bar, etc...
Then there were the poor folks in the lower group. They had the social weight of both groups above them bearing down. They were spoon-fed "educational" material that was too elementary considering the progress that they had already made through probably 6 grades.
I had a good friend who was put in this tier. Though never a serious candidate for a job at NASA he had been making the grade up until that point. He had to work hard and his grades were poor but he was passing. From a social standpoint he was well ranked among his peers.
Then they put that ******* brick on his head. They limited what he could learn. They took away any chance of his feeling the satisfaction of a job done, even if not well-done, that one gets from competing on an equal footing with their peers. They de-nutted his social standing among his peers. My good friend tuned out and turned off and never finished high school. I hate the system for doing that to him, and others like him.
This is too long already so I won't share my more recent experience with these tiered systems that I have gained through my son. It is better than it was, but I'm still not convinced it is better than a "one room school house" approach.
My poor brother is a teacher in today's system and the only analogy that I can come up with is that he's a diamond in a goat's ass. He is slightly to the right of Atilla the Hun politically and has mounted game animals on the walls of his home room. He has had to defend his territory with great gusto, but he's still there. Granted, this is a small country school system that probably have graduation classes that do not break 45 persons. He is still well known to the school board for a lot of the wrong reasons, though there have been occasional members who support his stance, all is not lost, yet.
There are a few kids left in this world that are getting a better-rounded education.
Maybe we need to all throttle back on our hunting time and go join our local school boards.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 04, 2008, 10:22 AM:
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Maybe we need to all throttle back on our hunting time and go join our local school boards.
Noooooooo. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on April 04, 2008, 05:53 PM:
Some parents think of school as mostly "day care". A friend of mine became the president of the school board and tells me how little parents give a shit about the schools. I went to an "open house" and talked to several teachers. Hardly any parents showed up. I don't have kids in the school system, yet I help pay for it.
One reason I am against school vouchers, is I think more parents should get off thier asses and demand a quality teacher and education for thier kids. (After all, It's for the children!)
I'm sick of all this sodomite lifestyle being forced onto us also.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 04, 2008, 06:43 PM:
Two words: Teaching unions.
My son is 17 and a junior in high school now. I made the mistake of taking an honor role student and pushing him to take three core classes this past year and he's barely surviving with a 1.9 gpa. His chemistry teacher is an arrogant POS that uses what they call the Socratic method of teaching where he answers the kids' questions with more questions to "stimulate thought". "Help the kids to help themselves." What he does is NOT answer their questions, which means they go from day to day NOT understanding the subject matter and, in a short time, they become totally overwhelmed and lost.
Eighty percent of my son's class was flunking at mid-term this year. I went to speak with the teacher, as many parents had done before, and he freely admitted that the majority of the class were flunking and that he had no idea why. When I asked for suggestions for how my son could get the wheels back on the rail, he gave me the names of four other boys in the class that he thought were doing well and suggested he study with them. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
I took that little pearl of wisdom to the Principal
and he thought it was a good idea until I reminded him that, as a taxpayer, I pay that worthless POS in the chemistry classroom to do that job, not those four boys, and that I expected him to put in an honest day's work for the day's pay we were giving him. I then told him that I work with union slackers five days a week and that they're still expected to do their jobs, as I expect the members of the school's teaching staff to do theirs. I suggested he pull up my son's class on his computer and see how many of these children are being left behind by this incompetent boob, which he did.
When I ask my son about why he's okay with D's, he gives me the same answers the other parents I speak with are hearing - "because a 'D' is passing". Guess who told them that.... go ahead. Several of the teachers. Anyone whose ever raised a teenager will tell you that if you give them a hole to crawl through, they're gone.
As much as it pains me, and it does a lot, I recently sat my son down and told him that although I wasn't giving up on him, I have chosen to let him fall flat on his smart-assed little face and the consequences will be his and his alone to suffer. I told him that the decisions he's making right now - today - will haunt him for the rest of his life and if he chooses not to believe me, then I reserve the right to tell him, "I told you so", and I will.
As parents, it's hard enough to fight the adversarial forces in our kids' world that fight with us to separate them from the lessons we spent their childhood teaching them. Anymore, one of our greatest adversaries are the teachers and educators to whom we entrust these kids as they teach them mediocrity rather than excellence. Unless you home school, it's an uphill battle all the way.
I just told the chem teacher that I didn't care about his union - I used to be union too, and I know how to work around those people - and that as soon as my son was off his grade book, he was gonna be my new hobby. He won't even look me in the eye now when I see him around town.
[ April 04, 2008, 06:58 PM: Message edited by: Cdog911 ]
Posted by BigO (Member # 1062) on April 04, 2008, 06:57 PM:
I went to my kids' school and talked to the Principal. I told him I had a problem with this book and wanted to know if it was in the school library. He and I together went and looked. I learned that it is not in my kids school library.
The principal told me he understood my concern and agreed that a book like that doesn't belong in a school library. He then informed me of a movement being started by the gay community where they are trying to get all schools to have a moment of silence in honor of homosexuals. He told me he has recieved numerous E-mails asking if the school is going to participate. He assures me the school will not participate.
I can't believe that they wont let kids bow their heads and say a prayer for someone, but we can have a moment of silence for a bunch of homos. I don't remember where it was but, a kid drew a landscape picture in art class and put a cross on a hill top. The teacher gave him a 0 and failed him, yet other kids that had satanic symbols in their pictures were given passing grades.
There are a few people out there that just need the crap kicked out of them. No offense to the prosecutors of America, but the ass kickings should start with attorneys, then we can go right up the food chain through the politicians.
Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on April 05, 2008, 07:22 AM:
If I may be so bold as to speak up for normal man:
If the flaming faggots - and they made that choice, BTW - get their moment of silence then I demand an equal hetero honoring moment of heavy breathing.
Yup, Willis, yer right. That ain't got no business in a house of education. Nor do the fags deserve any special treatment, either.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 05, 2008, 07:37 AM:
Right on!
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