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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 15, 2009, 02:06 PM:

Received email asking me to post on HM.

(in part)

quote:
Don't put money into the pockets of devious characters like redfrog, rockinbbar and java4. These creeps are depending on a good turn out so they can stick $ into their pockets. Most of the decent PM members AINT GOIN...but please help us spread the word

I'm a tiny bit puzzled, though? I don't think the post is very needed, for our membership? I won't be there. LB

Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on December 15, 2009, 02:21 PM:

AH, come on Leonard. Pack your duds and we'll make an appearance at the PM money maker, That in itself should give pussgut a coronary consequence. [Smile]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 15, 2009, 02:55 PM:

Well, I'll think about it. You got my back?

Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on December 15, 2009, 04:48 PM:

Plus; you can recieve some personal tutelage by rockinchair on a new form of shooting he just developed...."stand-up" tactics! Looks like they have more prizes, than they do atendees? I think Dan and Leonard should attend for a show of support by Huntmasters.

Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on December 15, 2009, 05:05 PM:

I'll second the motion!

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on December 15, 2009, 06:28 PM:

I'm thinking Dan & Leonard showing up in camo spandex w/capes & mexican wrestling masks, but then again, I think that I may be running a fever. [Frown]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 15, 2009, 09:10 PM:

....only if I can borrow Vic's Mexican wrestler shoes. I only saw them once, in the CG video. He must save them for special events? Rockinchair, huh? That's pretty funny for a MacNealer. Did you get the CD?

Good hunting. LB

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 16, 2009, 09:37 AM:

I received an anonymous email about this event. As I read it and the method in which it was conveyed to me, I was thinking Clever Gary, all the way. Give me a minute/LB

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 16, 2009, 09:39 AM:

Via email~

It will be a blast! Rumor has it that a former PM Mod has saved all of the
Mod Room coerespondence and will personally attend the PM Hunt to expose
the two-faced activities of the Adm and Mods. Douchebags like the Frog and
the phony grinnin'B Bar will have to answer to the membership and do some
splainin'. Victims of these keyboard jockey clowns have been notified and
some have already comitted to being there. Splain yourself out of this one,
B Bar!

Might come to blows but at least the general membership will realize what
low quality exists in the secret back room of PM. Witnessing the potential
butt kickin will be a BONUS!!!

Be their OR BE SQUARE! So far, there attendance is at an all time low,
wonder why that is? Hee Hee. Lets all pledge to make this Hunt the biggest
ever, all for the WRONG REASONS

Someone has sent you this anonymous email.
You CAN reply to this message merely by hitting reply.
If YOU wish to send a free anonymous email, go to: Enote.com

---eKey---33129852097fccd7a6bd5cad383d2d2a

edit: I have eliminated Dangerous Dan because there is a misspelled word. Three. But, it could be a "red herring" FOUR!

[ December 16, 2009, 09:43 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on December 16, 2009, 01:47 PM:

Is PM 501C3?

As an aside note, I am not a big fan of anonymous accusations.

Hopefully this person will indeed stand up like a man and state his business as promised.

[ December 16, 2009, 01:50 PM: Message edited by: 4949shooter ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 16, 2009, 02:21 PM:

You have asked a question that has been asked many times before. Despite all assurances from the Star Chamber, the IRS has never heard of them? I have not personally checked into it, but others have, and what PM claims, has thus far, proved very difficult to verify. In fact, nobody has been able to verify their claim. Kinda like Obama's Birth Certificate, ya know? Not worthy of a response.

Good hunting. LB

Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on December 16, 2009, 03:17 PM:

Interesting.

Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on December 16, 2009, 06:08 PM:

"It will be a blast! Rumor has it that a former PM Mod has saved all of the
Mod Room coerespondence and will personally attend the PM Hunt to expose
the two-faced activities of the Adm and Mods. Douchebags like the Frog and
the phony grinnin'B Bar will have to answer to the membership and do some
splainin'. Victims of these keyboard jockey clowns have been notified and
some have already comitted to being there. Splain yourself out of this one,
B Bar!"

Sounds like this might be as much fun as climategate. What will we call it PMgate??

Posted by Daryl (Member # 3451) on December 16, 2009, 06:51 PM:

Ought to be more fun than suckin' snot from a dead coyote's nose.

All this internet bad mouthing reminds me of the World Wrestling Federation stuff my dad used to like to watch. He said it made him feel less dysfunctional?

'Bout as exciting as my sister's soap operas when I was a kid. It drove me outta the house to go kill coyotes.

Daryl

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 16, 2009, 10:17 PM:

I agree with you, Daryl. An adult attitude, but in the real world of the Internet, there are many cases of arrested development; hey who wants to grow up?

They have pissed off many people and some of them are extremely good at holding a grudge. Secondly, they deserve a little serving of shit, how else can anybody get back at them, they with their finger on the button?

It ain't my cup of tea, but we are here but to serve.

Good hunting. LB

edit: I believe you, of course, but would you care to tell us about what motivated you to suck snot from a dead coyote's nose?

[ December 16, 2009, 10:20 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Daryl (Member # 3451) on December 17, 2009, 05:13 AM:

Leonard,

I reckon I've learned the hard way that there are more important things in life.

Remember when I met you at the first PM hunt? I probably looked like warmed over hell at the time. I'd just been through failure of a kidney transplant that came mighty close to killing me.

Since then, I've been through another kidney transplant in May of '02. In June of '02, I was sorta in the middle of the Rodeo/Chedeski fire trying to help my dad save his house. We did, too.

2 months later, I got a broken hip from a mule wreck, and ended up being flown out of a wilderness area and into Phoenix for surgery to repair that.

Things got better then. I met my wife, got married, hunted Alaska, Mexico, New Mexico, been to Colorado several times, and have been enjoying life a bit.

But the hard living changed something in me. I no longer care much what other people think or do. I live my life for me, and it doesn't matter much what others think or do as long as I'm happy with who I am and what I'm doing.

My friends are people who are like minded, and the only person I see as an "enemy" is the woman who killed my father a few years ago. I can't prove it, but I know how and why she did it.

And she's her own reward, too. She's the most miserable person I think I've ever known, and it's her own fault. Her sense of values will be her own demise before long, which becomes a lesson in Karma in and of itself.

Hatred and grudges will eat at you, mi amigo. Seems to me that no one really cares except the person doing the hating and/or holding the grudge, and it is it's own reward.

Good living is the best revenge, and it's far more enjoyable.

Daryl

Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on December 17, 2009, 08:27 PM:

Maybe, just maybe now is the time to bust their balls.

501C? Now that's a joke in itself.

Posted by Briguy (Member # 3471) on December 17, 2009, 09:07 PM:

Daryl, you preach it brother...I'm with you. Some of the stuff is comical, but most of it seems just sad to me.

Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on December 18, 2009, 04:23 AM:

Hey Daryl, try more fun than killin niggers with a pitchfork instead of the suckin snot thing.

LMAO

Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on December 18, 2009, 09:55 AM:

It is becoming very clear there are more than a few that would like to see a catastrophic failure at the so called hunt, which by the way is nothing more than a money making scheme.

The real question in my mind is what will be the final cause of this certain failure, or will it be all the following.

There will probably be several groups of protesters at their doorsteps, caused by the colored toad himself.
The cost of attending the money maker is way too high.
Most of the members that have attended in the past won't be attending this fiasco.
NM is a piss poor place to hunt predators.
I'm sure I left out more reasons than I included.

[ December 18, 2009, 01:41 PM: Message edited by: Dan Carey ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 18, 2009, 11:01 AM:

But, will you wear a Mex mask & blue spandex and meet him in the cage?

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 18, 2009, 11:13 AM:

PS, I just wasted my time looking all over at PM and failed to find the information about the hunt, fees and who's going to be there. That site is getting more and more unattractive, to me, guess that's why I go months at a time between visits?

LB

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on December 18, 2009, 11:16 AM:

Dang, so, the "n' word? Really?

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 18, 2009, 11:45 AM:

Jars the sensabilities a bit, donut? Well, we are not much on censorship, here. If he wants to seem like a bigot, which I'm sure he's not, it's his (deliberate) choice. Just be glad we have the freedom to write anything we want; as long as we don't insult our host, that is.

Good hunting. LB

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on December 18, 2009, 12:19 PM:

No sweat on my end..

Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on December 18, 2009, 02:05 PM:

"Attendee registrations costs $150 per member over 18." COME TO DAAAADY SUCKER!

Attendee registrations including spouse costs $250 per couple. The spouse also gets 3 hamburgers, a couple of door prize tickets and a T shirt. [Smile]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 18, 2009, 02:57 PM:

HOLY SHIT!

Posted by Briguy (Member # 3471) on December 18, 2009, 03:38 PM:

You forgot about the free howler from RR...

Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on December 18, 2009, 04:32 PM:

The "Hunt" info is unavailable unless you are logged in as a member... hehe [Roll Eyes]

Here's a linky... Hunt info

[ December 18, 2009, 04:42 PM: Message edited by: Nikonut ]

Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on December 18, 2009, 05:25 PM:

I wonder if we should spam them with phony registrations?

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 18, 2009, 05:41 PM:

Wouldn't that just increase their hits? Counterproductive, etc.? In addition, it's not ethical, we're all "brothers" after all.

But damn! These guys are Big League!

Any idea what kind of turn out they expect? What was it last year? (approximately)

I'd ask myself, but I lost barry's email. That man is a real cowboy, ain't he? Wonder if he could teach me how to use my new rope? It's very stiff, I need to break it in, soak it or something?

Good hunting. LB

Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on December 18, 2009, 05:48 PM:

From what he has said in the past, you just throw it on the ground. The trick is to keep a close eye on it, to see if someone picks it up.

Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on December 18, 2009, 08:37 PM:

They must pay some attention to the conversations over here, or they have a mole amongst us. They pulled the threads concerning the hunt, number of registered participants, celebrities,ride shares etc....
The drugstore cowboy throws a wide loop over yonder,and runs a tight, and censored ship:)

Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on December 18, 2009, 08:56 PM:

Paranoia:

A serious mental disorder characterized by well-rationalized delusions of persecution or of grandeur.

or maybe just an eating disorder that makes you crazy. [Confused]

Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on December 18, 2009, 09:13 PM:

Maybe they already have more attendees than they can afford to pay for...

Rumor has it all Mods, Administrators and Directors are getting a free ride this year, including lodging costs! [Roll Eyes]

Small wonder all the mods are going!!!! [Razz]

Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on December 18, 2009, 09:28 PM:

I heard that same rumor.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 18, 2009, 11:13 PM:

Shit! They must be Democrats; having a good time with other people's money.

Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on December 19, 2009, 03:46 AM:

I realize that one or a few here may been wronged by some at PM, and I can understand why you feel the way you do.

But let's not forget that there are still a lot of good people over there, and all this banter on a public forum does our sport no good. We as sportsmen have common enemies in the anti gunners and anti hunters, and we should support each other in order to defeat our enemies.

As Leonard stated above, we are all in essence, "brothers."

Posted by CCP (Member # 913) on December 19, 2009, 06:26 AM:

December 19, 2009

quote:
But let's not forget that there are still a lot of good people over there, and all this banter on a public forum does our sport no good. We as sportsmen have common enemies in the anti gunners and anti hunters, and we should support each other in order to defeat our enemies.

December 19, 1939

Let's not forget that there are still a lot of good people in the Nazi party, and all this banter in a public paper does our country no good. We as Germans have common enemies in the anti Nazi haters, and we should support each other in order to defeat our common enemies.

Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on December 19, 2009, 06:59 AM:

Interesting thought about all the good people over there.

Where were they when pussgut was gutting the membership? Where were they when pussgut was gutting the staff? Where were they when pussgut was gutting the by-laws? They were only concerned about themselves!!!!

Pussgut has done more to drive a wedge between the predator hunters in the United States than any single person in the history of predator hunting.

Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on December 19, 2009, 08:15 AM:

It looks like our "brothers" have done a pretty good job of figuring out numerous ways to separate attendees from their money.

Good Gawd, $30 PM Hunt T-shirts! But I guess it's understandable since they are long-sleeved and all...

Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on December 19, 2009, 08:38 AM:

quote:
But let's not forget that there are still a lot of good people over there, and all this banter on a public forum does our sport no good. We as sportsmen have common enemies in the anti gunners and anti hunters, and we should support each other in order to defeat our enemies

"Can't we all just get along?" R. King

Blah Blah Blah! How is that group going to defend and protect the sport? Their intention is to promote their own financial gain. Being a capitalist, I have no problem with gaining wealth. My problem lies with individuals who use deceipt(the whole back room b.s.) and a false front(promotion of 'sport') to further their agenda. As LB has said before, there are so many parallels to the liberal M.O., its scarey.
Maintain

Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on December 19, 2009, 08:48 AM:

Make sure you sign up early or you'll be subject to a $25 fee at the hunt and you won't "recieve" (their spelling not mine) a name tag. Talk about bending a guy over at every turn...

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 19, 2009, 09:16 AM:

Yeah, and besides, it takes time to learn what Admin. is actually saying, here and there. I was being sarcastc. Sorry it sounded so sincere.

Good hunting. LB

PS It's not OUR fault, Mom. Jimmy started it! See, when you treat people like shit, they tend to remember it, hold a grudge, stuff like that. Human nature, in other words.

edit: and another thing; the good folks are getting harder and harder to find, kinda like all it takes is for a few good men to do nothing, etc.

[ December 19, 2009, 09:18 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on December 19, 2009, 10:01 AM:

Thanks for all the responses, gentlemen.

CCP, nice try on the Nazi analogy. I am sure it is fitting....in some way or another. Though I never did say in my post not to question the actions of some. Just be civil about it.

Dan, I don't know where the good people were when the membership was gutted. I only know a little about Leonard's story, and that's it. The fact is, PM (as well as Huntmasters) is a privately owned site and can edit whomever they choose. You don't think that's right? Maybe I don't either but it is well within their legal means to do so. As an aside, I am a member of another forum, privately owned, and the owner can and does delete whichever members he chooses, the same way Leonard can. Besides Dan, I gather from your post that you have a problem mainly with one individual over there. So why take it out on the membership as a whole?

Lonny, if you don't want to spend $30 on a t shirt then don't. I wouldn't either, by the way.

CrossJ, I didn't say that site alone would further the sport. It is the collective attitudes and actions of the sport members as a whole that will do so. My point was (and I think you know this) that negative banter on a public hunting forum serves no legitimate purpose to further predator hunting.

Leonard, with all due respect I know you were being sarcastic with your terminology. However, you did put a stop to the suggestion of a member here of spamming their site with false registrations, even if it was just talk. You did the right thing and I commend you for it.

Post edited for spelling error.

[ December 19, 2009, 10:13 AM: Message edited by: 4949shooter ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 19, 2009, 10:37 AM:

Well, virtue is not the exclusive domain of Liberals and Tyrants. Some things offend my sense of decency; like honesty, morality, ethics and other concepts that Management over there, does not comprehend.

But, we have to understand that the undercurrent here is deep, and understanding it without benefit of the historical background might be difficult for the new arrival.

We expats own the moral high ground.

Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on December 19, 2009, 11:25 AM:

4949shooter,

I know you are probably new to the concept of "Good" and "Bad" people for the most part...
Maybe you should try law enforcement as a career. [Roll Eyes]

Wow, you really think it's OK for the general membership to go about their daily banter ignoring the stuff that really goes on there as long as it doesn't mean them getting banned? If your friend and fellow moderator was getting verbally abused by an administrator, you wouldn't say something? If your name was on the line for backing a policy wouldn't you ask what that policy was and where the directorship was taking you? I did and was voted out as a mod by... get this... the same person/persons that were trashing the other mod. Then I was banned. Standard operating procedure, look at all the mods that aren't there now and ask them why?

If you had any idea what goes on in the backroom at PM you would puke and never go there again. Will's dream has died, it's "Redfrog's Dream" for cash and glory now!

Try to find a post saying Nikonut was banned or even any mention of why I'm not there now. I think you are probably a very naive person and well on your way to being a moderator there!

I certainly don't want the likes of Jim Renaud, Barry Stewart, Jeff Mock, or Matt McCauley representing my hunting interests!

Nikonut

Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on December 19, 2009, 01:45 PM:

I figured you would chime in sooner or later Nikonut. The fact is, you stood up like a man on PM and spoke your peace. I remember that post, Nikonut, and you knew you were going to be banned from PM when you posted it. So you did what you felt was right and suffered the consequences.

But the fact remains that you are deliberately twisting my words around now, or else you are missing my point completely. I am voicing my opinion that this on line bantering serves no legitimate purpose to the sport of predator hunting. That's it. I knew there was bad blood between Leonard and PM when I came here, but that didn't stop me. I told Leonard and I will tell you as well as everyone else who reads this board...I make up my own mind and I don't let anyone else do it for me. That includes you, the members of this board, and the members of PM. I don't know what went on/goes on in the back room at PM. I can only surmise that someone there made more than a few people unhappy. Except for what very little Leonard has told me that's all I know. But as a law enforcement officer, you know, the people who put the bad people in jail, I won't condemn PM or anyone on it's board until I see some evidence. And evidence I haven't yet seen, except for the word of some pissed off people on the internet, which is only hearsay and is not admissable as evidence. Do you see where I am coming from? I could go on and be rude to you like you were to me in your post Nikonut, but I won't. Though I am tempted. [Wink]

I wish you a healthy and happy life, Nikonut.

Oh, as far as moderating goes....I have no aspirations as such. There is too much bad blood and internet squabbling going on right now.

Posted by CCP (Member # 913) on December 19, 2009, 02:09 PM:

Tom (Nikonut) Glad you finally came back to your senses. I remember less than 2 years ago at the Kansas expo you telling me the exact same thing as 4949shooter is saying now. “Even had the Nazi stare in place while you were reciting it”.

quote:
Will's dream has died, it's "Redfrog's Dream" for cash and glory now!

Remember the LBL--- PM split? It was about PM wanting to make money. You sided with PM and went on your way there.

You also remember Champion laying this all out for you years ago, but still chose to follow PM and drop ties with the guy’s against PM. Now everything we told you has come true and you have seen it for yourself. It took you or your buddy getting booted to see it but in the end you finally did.

I hope you have finally seen that a group that has self appointed leaders that cannot be voted out, then raise money in the name of a unified group helping others is a step toward corruption in its finest form.

I like this board and Champions board for the mere fact there aren’t any hidden agendas or fame and money schemes going on. Most guys’ here at HM seem to be loners or leaders not followers and content being their selves.

A lot of people are followers and followed right over to another organization with no idea of where all the money raised will be going and no chance to vote on leadership. Several years from now we will be having this same thread but different board/organization/group.

quote:
I certainly don't want the likes of Jim Renaud, Barry Stewart, Jeff Mock, or Matt McCauley representing my hunting interests!

I agree! Just heard Barry figured out you can hunt and shoot standing up! I would love to see the look on a grown mans eyes when he realizes for the first time that if you can’t see sitting down then stand up.

Tom (Nikonut) didn’t want to harp on you to much but didn’t want you to forget you were just like 4949shooter but a little worse (you were in the backroom) a very short time ago. That Olive branch is still out there and the guy’s more than likely will be glad to see you again.

“Leonard I know there are a lot of misspelled words and punctuation. I apologize in advance. “I put them there to drive Dan NUT’s.”

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 19, 2009, 03:14 PM:

49, it's good to have an open mind. It's good to not be stampeded into conclusions via group think. But, the old saying; where there's smoke, there's fire, for a prudent man, that's worth considering. You mention evidence and proof and hearsay. I tell you what, we have enough witnesses that will happily take the stand and tell their story. For the other side, they have nothing. They never have anything. They seem to think that editing and deleting and banning prevents the truth from seeing the light of day. But, I suggest that you maintain your independance and form your own opinions. It will be the same thing; you have all this chatter on the one hand and complete and utter silence from them guys. At some point, it makes you start to think.

For Nikonut, all I can say is, if you had some differing views in the past, but have finally seen the light, congratulations! That's what it's all about, you give people the benefit of the doubt, until it's your turn in the barrel. That has a way of convincing ya, donut?

Something mentioned previously. Anybody that owns amessage board has control and can basically do anything they want. No rules, just react as you wish. You people should appreciate the fact that although we could do exactly the same things that they do over at PM, we don't do it. Think about that, while you are at it. You have the free speech that everybody thinks they have other places, but it's just an illusion. At HM, you can say anything you want, but you will likely be forced to defend what you say. What's wrong with the concept?

Good hunting. LB

[ December 19, 2009, 03:15 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on December 19, 2009, 03:24 PM:

Hey Richard!

I got your email, I guess we really do need to talk more than ever... you really didn't understand what I was telling you at the KC Expo after all.

The powers that be at PM had the fix in already. I had hopes things could change and that's why I finally said OK to becoming a mod there. I thought I could help change things. Maybe now with more knowledge than most I can...

I don't have bad feelings toward Jim Champion or the guys at FnF, I can count on both hands how many times I've even been to that site to read. Even so, I still consider most of those guys friends and that includes you! I tried to talk to Jim at the expo but he just walked away.

I felt PM still had a chance at that time but it has gone too far to return now. PM as a group isn't a bad thing, the people in control is...

4949shooter, maybe I have missed your point... seems some think we are arguing the same point anyway. If you want to see evidence why don't you ask Redfrog on the open board over there? You could even do it in a private email. See what kind of answers you get, then I'll send you conversations from the backroom and you can decide for yourself!

What happened in the early days at PM is nothing like what is happening now... wait and see. PM is about to launch a two tier system of membership. Paid and free. Either you pay to be a privileged member or you do the "read only" of limited postings. You will get a card with your name on it good for 10% off at the PM general store and rights to attend the annual hunt at a reduced fee(great enough to pay the way for all mods and administrators/directors) and there will be a new salaried director running the place. Care to guess who that will be?

Richard you make a pointed statement about the new place the "Followers" have landed. I'm one that put my money up(as membership like others) in the hopes it would be a good place. Ask the powers over there what I've said to them regarding what they need to do and which direction to take to be a success. I'm not 100% in agreement with the current direction there but I'm willing to give it a chance to work. I'm not bashful about speaking my mind even to them.

I'm also not in any way part of their organization other than my membership and if that becomes a cash cow money machine I will be one of the first to step up and shout it down.

Nikonut

Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on December 19, 2009, 03:56 PM:

One more thing Richard...

quote:
Remember the LBL--- PM split? It was about PM wanting to make money. You sided with PM and went on your way there.

The reason I haven't been to the LBL recently has been due to my divorce. Nothing more or less. One of the things I had hoped to do as a mod at PM was mend fences with the LBL guys. That wasn't going to happen on either side. My bad for trying!

Posted by Randy Buker (Member # 134) on December 19, 2009, 04:29 PM:

Not too much will bring me out of the woodwork to post over here. I always seem to get into trouble when I do.

But... I've been there and done that when it comes to PM so I believe I have something to say.

Bottom line is that PM is headed up by a thief and a liar. Redfrog is no friend to anyone other than Redfrog.

The membership over there has no clue as to what goes on. They are looking for a place to make friends and shoot the breeze about predator hunting. It's still a good place for that. If you don't get involved in their hunt, their politics or their backroom bs, there's nothing wrong with it.

The membership here at Huntmasters and the membership over at FnF tend to be more in the know about what it's like at PM. That's why they don't go over there any more. But, for the average joe looking for a place to BS predator hunting, it's still a good place.

Each board has it's issues. I've seen perfectly good folks here get pounced on something fierce simply because they really don't know much about predator hunting. That's not right.

FnF is a close knit group that tends to be a bit suspicious of folks who aren't in their inner circle.

Coyote Gods... Well. What can I say? HA HA.

At least until the powers that be read this post, I am still a member at PM although I haven't posted there since the NPHA came on board. PM is still a good place to sign up for free and shoot the shit about predator hunting. It's a social thing. But, I'd never give a dime to Redfrog and his group. EVER. He already stole $2,000 from me.

I'm going to sign back off and won't reply back so don't ask questions. Lots of people here know the story so if you have questions, they can answer.

I'll likely be drawn back in sometime in 2010. Maybe someone will bash the .17rem and I'll be forced to sign back in.

Have at 'em boys.

Merry Christmas and I hope you all have a prosperous New Year!!

Randy

[ December 19, 2009, 04:29 PM: Message edited by: Randy Buker ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 19, 2009, 04:44 PM:

Now there's a blast from the past! Exibit #1, 49.

Hey Randy, HM now has a separate forum for 17 shooters where you can discuss those 430 yard bang/flops. Who says old dogs can't learn new tricks? haha

Good hunting. LB

Posted by luckyjack (Member # 3462) on December 19, 2009, 05:05 PM:

I know he said don't ask questions because he won't reply, but inquiring minds would like to hear more about the mentioned theft of 2000 bones?

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 19, 2009, 05:50 PM:

quote:
I've seen perfectly good folks here get pounced on something fierce simply because they really don't know much about predator hunting. That's not right.

Randy Buker

Fer cripes sakes, Randy. It's just Steve Criner, and it's just kidding, done in good humor. We're just jealous of his TV show, but hey, he knows as much as Byron...and that ain't saying too much! Kidding! Again, just kidding, not mean spirited, at all! And, only TA17 too, but we love the guy, it's (again) good natured teasing, and it's not because he's a hick Scandinavian Ole from Mineesota. He knows we love him, and it's not because he don't know shit about hunting predators, either. Steve too!

Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on December 19, 2009, 06:04 PM:

Since Randy said someone else would answer for him here goes...

quote:
I know he said don't ask questions because he won't reply, but inquiring minds would like to hear more about the mentioned theft of 2000 bones?

Randy had a hunt scheduled with Redfrog up in Canadaland many years ago. Something happened and Randy had to cancel. Redfrog refused to refund any of the deposit back to Randy. There's a lot more details and I don't have all of them so that's all I can say. Maybe someone else remembers.

Edit: I just found a little more info on this one...
"Seems Redfrog was reported to the Alberta Professional Outfitters Society and they put a letter of reprimand in his file for two years. He no longer is able to guide in Alberta."

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I wouldn't trust Redfrog to clean mule shit off my boots, of course that's just me!

Nikonut

[ December 19, 2009, 07:23 PM: Message edited by: Nikonut ]

Posted by CCP (Member # 913) on December 19, 2009, 08:09 PM:

quote:
Hey Richard!

I got your email, I guess we really do need to talk more than ever

Tom I wrote out a reply to you but decided to wait for you to call me in the next day or so since you got my e-mail with the number.No use getting in a debate here!

quote:
I know he said don't ask questions because he won't reply, but inquiring minds would like to hear more about the mentioned theft of 2000 bones?

quote:
Lots of people here know the story so if you have questions, they can answer.

Here is the way it was told to me by my third cousin that lives next to a guy that dated a girl that her ex husband heard from a reliable source. Try to stay with me on this.

Buker paid a deposit on a guided hunt. In the mean time he was in a heated debate with a member of the PM board. This member threatened to whoop ole Randy good when he seen him.

Now the person threatening to whoop ole Randy heard of his hunt up in the Canadian outback. He schedules a hunt the same weekend as Randy. Then Randy finds this out, not wanting to have to get into a knock down drag out with his wife present in some far away wilderness he calls redfrog to reschedule his hunt. Redfrog refuses to reschedule the hunt and will not give back Randy his deposit of 2k.

From my understanding Redfrog new of this conflict when he scheduled the other hunter.

Dan seems to think Redfrog spent the money on booze, another source says he jump the border and bought lottery tickets with it. Yet another source says he bought women’s clothing with the money.

I am not sure how he spent ole Randy’s money but I think the story I got from my cousin is pretty close to correct.

quote:
Redfrog was reported to the Alberta Professional Outfitters Society and they put a letter of reprimand in his file for two years. He no longer is able to guide in Alberta."

I know this to be true and for them to reprimand him tells us who was right in at least the eyes of the law.

Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 19, 2009, 08:11 PM:

I'll have to ask a question about "ownership". 49 you said it was privately owned but do you know how redfrog came into power? Jim Champion used to be the owner along with Randy Black, redfrog and byron south figured out a takeover and pulled it off. There's a post here from about 3 years ago that should be exhibit "B" search for it and see if you think redfrog still needs to be blindly backed.

The internet forums is just a bunch of screen names until you actualy meet some of them and form friendships. When you see those friends get dumped on, you might try being a friend and helping them instead of turning a blind eye.

Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on December 19, 2009, 08:19 PM:

Nikonut,they banned you really ?? You always seemed like a pretty "mellow" guy to me.

Since I got the ax myself,I rarely check over there lately.So I guess I'm not up to "snuff" on recent activities..

Guess nothing from there should surprise me anymore..

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 19, 2009, 09:59 PM:

Yes, that's always puzzled me. Who, in their right mind would hand over the keys to a dink like Redfrog? It had to have been a Nancy Pilosi moment. Completely unqualified, totally inept, a drinking problem, doesn't bathe regularly, and did I mention; he's certainly no authority on hunting predators, his major qualifications being advice on not eating yellow snow. How did this guy grab the reins of power? Oh well, who gives a shit?

Good hunting. LB

Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on December 19, 2009, 10:28 PM:

Yep Dave, not allowed on the playground anymore.

I do try to be as mellow as possible. When someone starts trash talking and stabbing a close friend in the heart I tend to react.

Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on December 20, 2009, 04:51 AM:

I'll be taking a break from the forums myself for a while. There is too much bad blood for now. For all the naysayers, PM has been informed as well.

Have a safe New Year.

49

[ December 20, 2009, 06:09 AM: Message edited by: 4949shooter ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 20, 2009, 08:14 AM:

That's the worse thing you can do, Amigo.

It's like what the alky's recommend after a bad one. Ya pass out, ya fall down, ya wake up. It's terrible. Ya gotta drink through it!

Keep posting, it's your only chance.

Posted by Randy Buker (Member # 134) on December 20, 2009, 12:39 PM:

Dang, I had to log in just to update. That makes two posts here this year although it still only averages to one post per year for the last three years. [Smile]

Although it's no surprise at all, I've been banned from PM following that post I made here. Darn it. I was hoping to get voted back into administration there.

So, not only is Renaud a crook and a liar but he's also watching this board very closely. So, adding to drunk, smelly, crooked and drunk, we can add paranoid to the list.

Shoot, I suppose now he'll threaten to sue me. Hmmm, maybe I can counter sue and get my 2 grand back?

Back to lurker status. See ya in 2010.

Just figured you'd get a chuckle out of it.

Randy

Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on December 20, 2009, 01:24 PM:

Sorry to hear you were banned, nevertheless you have joined the ranks of the elite. No one, who is anyone, is still welcome there.

Hell, you left out socialist, fat, unwashed, no neck, always needs a hair cut. What a genuine piece of shit. I will gladly take your word that he is a lying thief.

I heard they were down to trading advertising space for merchandise. I also heard Randy Black was on his short list of things to do in 2010 or sooner.

Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on December 20, 2009, 01:54 PM:

Sorry to hear that Randy! See what happens when you hang with the wrong crowd! [Razz]

Bearman will soon be the only long time member there, ...and his knees and forehead must be getting worn down by now!

Redfrog is selling and promoting Rick's calls on his outfitter's website. Hmnnnn...

Nikonut

Posted by oslo (Member # 3517) on December 20, 2009, 03:46 PM:

Haha at Nikonnut!

Nikon and Buker: you are better off anyways.

[ December 20, 2009, 03:47 PM: Message edited by: oslo ]

Posted by Bryan J (Member # 106) on December 20, 2009, 03:54 PM:

If you use go daddy as a guide on hosting, their unlimited hosting plan if paid monthly (most expensive) is $179.00 a year.

Ubb.threads Gold license runs $725 (one time expense?).

Advanced support for ubb.threads $100/hour. (only if someone from ubb.threads needs to log in to diagnose a problem, all other support is free)

I have no idea what it would cost if you used a consulting company like Rain Storm.

Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on December 20, 2009, 05:13 PM:

"I'll likely be drawn back in sometime in 2010. Maybe someone will bash the .17rem and I'll be forced to sign back in."
--------------------------
A shucks Buker, just because your .17 sucks for coyote whacking is no reason to not post here. Ain't nobody gonna think less of you, I know that I would never say anything to rile ya. [Big Grin]

Posted by MI VHNTR (Member # 3370) on December 20, 2009, 05:44 PM:

Randy Buker says:
"Dang, I had to log in just to update. That makes two posts here this year although it still only averages to one post per year for the last three years.

Although it's no surprise at all, I've been banned from PM following that post I made here. Darn it. I was hoping to get voted back into administration there.

So, not only is Renaud a crook and a liar but he's also watching this board very closely. So, adding to drunk, smelly, crooked and drunk, we can add paranoid to the list.

Shoot, I suppose now he'll threaten to sue me. Hmmm, maybe I can counter sue and get my 2 grand back?

Back to lurker status. See ya in 2010.

Just figured you'd get a chuckle out of it.

Randy"

If this is the case, Redfrog is abusing, and has abused, his power at PM and should be tossed out himself. He's not setting a good example for others to follow. If he had the best interest of PM at the forefront, he'd resign without being asked. Pulling the stuff he has is beneath contempt. Sad to say the least. MI VHNTR

Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on December 20, 2009, 07:29 PM:

MI VHNTR..I'm pretty sure he doesn't have the best interest of PM at the forefront..Hello ??

I doubt he's gonna' resign anytime soon,or what do you think ?

So you don't think he's setting a good example for others to follow,while I agree,I find your comments interesting.

I've avoided the place for awhile,I decided to do a quick cruise by, and noticed you posted over there about 1/2 hour ago.

Guess it's still good enough for you to post there..Aye ?

[ December 20, 2009, 07:30 PM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]

Posted by MI VHNTR (Member # 3370) on December 20, 2009, 08:27 PM:

Glad to see that you think that you figured out my comments and found them interesting. [Roll Eyes]

I post on different boards, is that a problem that puts your panties in a bunch? You complain and yet, you too, are following others around on different boards like the frog. Insecure?

Like the old saying goes, it's not the school that I mind, it's the principal of the thing. Figure it out.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 20, 2009, 08:44 PM:

I just want to know who the snitch is?

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 20, 2009, 08:47 PM:

I guess they have a TOS written by an idiot that claims anything you say, anywhere is grounds for banning. That's pretty draconian, don't you think?

Of course, Buker knew that so his post was the equiv. of suicide by cop.

Good hunting. LB

edit: anybody remember HM TOS? I'll copy it so you can compare....BRB

edit:***We don't have a rigid set of rules of behavior, at the present time.

***SPAM REGISTRATIONS WILL BE DELETED. (no exceptions)

***SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS:
some questions may seem odd, but computer generated programs cannot answer them correctly, so bear with us on this issue, please!

***Your screen name, the one SEEN BY OTHER MEMBERS as you post, should be placed in the (SECOND) field.

***You MUST provide a VALID email address, or you will NOT receive your password, and you will NOT be able to post on the Board.

(believe it or not, some people can't follow simple instructions)

[ December 20, 2009, 08:53 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on December 20, 2009, 08:54 PM:

I heard their TOS was up to 697 pages of small print. [Big Grin]

Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on December 20, 2009, 09:19 PM:

MI VHNTR..I'm not complaining about anything,I'd suggest that you re-read my post..

I'm also not following anyone around,and could care less too do so. I merely pointed out an observation on my part.

Yet you have failed to answer my questions ?

Oh' trust me I'm not insecure about anything.(Edit) Except the fact that my daughter is now dating. Geez and you guys think,that you have stress !!

[ December 20, 2009, 09:31 PM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 20, 2009, 09:36 PM:

I just got this from PM admin.

Subject: Cease and Desist order

Message: on the way my friend, unless you immediately take down the 'PM Hunt' thread from your website.

We're watching...don't disappointment!

Now what do I do?

Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on December 20, 2009, 10:01 PM:

Do what I did today...

I sent a request for Jim Renaud's outfitter credentials to the Alberta Professional Outfitter's Society. They don't even have him listed as a guide in Alberta. I read through 48 pages of guide services and his name isn't there!

Nikonut

Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on December 21, 2009, 02:28 PM:

Let's hire a lawyer up there to look into this shit. pussgut is hiding something.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 21, 2009, 02:32 PM:

Take a look at this First Amendment protected opinion

http://www.answers.com/topic/strategic-lawsuit-against-public-participation

and here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation

[ December 21, 2009, 02:34 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on December 21, 2009, 04:21 PM:

I think Java may have sent this to me when I was at Predator Monsters.com now known as deserthunter.com.

Message: Good afternoon, sir,

MY name is Gaines Portmouth, counsel for an individual on a online
predator hunting sight, his name will be kept anonymous.

It has come to our attention of this attempt at a discreditation of the
anonymous gentleman, this attempt lies soley in the hands of you.

This will be the one and only warning of an impending sieze and desist
order. I will give you until 5:15 PST p.m., the 10th of month of August
in year 2009 to shut down the predatorxxxxxxx.site website. If you
dismember this sight before the deadline, then cease and desist order
will be terminated,

Good day, Sir

Mr. Portsmouth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And my Reply:

Dear Mr Portsmouth, Your client is a cowardly bastard. We fully intend
to hunt him down and gomaguchy him. You should distance yourself from
him immediately. We will not "seize and desist", nor will we stop
pointing out what an pussgut he is. Thanks for your concern.

Mr. Pit bull

Its cease and desist, you stupid asshole.

Posted by MI VHNTR (Member # 3370) on December 21, 2009, 05:28 PM:

Dave Allen, judging by your post, you still haven't figured it out yet have you?

I was on PM long before the current administration took over the place and ruined it. I've known some people there for many years. In fact, I've known some people well before PM, Shade Tree, etc., and I will continue to visit with them. Posting there does not condone what is going on there in any way, shape or form. Now if I can only get your stamp of approval to do so.

Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on December 21, 2009, 07:07 PM:

MI VHNTR..If you choose to post on a site,that you just admitted is ruined,well what can I say thats you're choice.

I do understand what you say about visiting with long time friends..ect..

It makes it kinda tough to break away,well hell after they read your posts here,they might make the decision for ya..

Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on December 21, 2009, 08:43 PM:

Pepe, Where's the part about about not pissing off the host?

Pit Bull, excellent reply. Furthermore, I think its
"...on an online..."

"seize and desist" that's funny!

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 21, 2009, 10:13 PM:

Hey, nice catch Loco!

I just made that one up.

Posted by Inoculation (Member # 2229) on December 22, 2009, 05:58 AM:

It's good to see that nothing has changed over there. I need to come by here more often, you gents make me chuckle.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 22, 2009, 08:20 AM:

Hey, we missed you at the campout!

Posted by Inoculation (Member # 2229) on December 22, 2009, 11:37 AM:

I know Leonard. I have been so busy with work it has been ridiculous (not that I'm complaining mind you). I talked to Geordie after their fiasco and let them know I wasn't going to make it.

I will be around from time to time. Hopefully I will make the next one.

Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on December 30, 2009, 10:17 AM:

I heard they had 65 signed up for that so called hunt and half of them were either staff or sponsors. I also heard they were footing the bill for the staff....

Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on December 30, 2009, 03:19 PM:

...possibly some of the sponsors as well.

I heard many sponsors were paying their way with merchandise for the auctions. That means the members are actually paying for this fancy shindig even if they aren't going.

Nikonut

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