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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 16, 2011, 10:54 AM:
 
Who is this guy and why is he trying to be my pen pal?

Seriously. First, he writes to tell me that Huntmasters is a bunch of bullies. BULLIES, mind you!

Then, he writes and complains about some PM hunt that he was disinvited to, after attending. What? Maybe in Wyoming?

I get a certain amount of crank mail, but this guy has me curious.

GH/LB

[ April 20, 2011, 12:44 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 16, 2011, 11:30 AM:
 
He seems like a nice enough guy. He used to post over at PM a lot (I don't know if he still does). He had some family problems, which I remember he vented about over there.

I don't know why he would try to be friendly with you out of the blue. Maybe he is having problems at PM?
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 16, 2011, 11:35 AM:
 
Okay, thanks. At least he is a "real" person, as opposed to some of these guys that hide behind a fake name and an untraceable email account.

His motivation is unclear to me?

GH/LB
 

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on April 16, 2011, 01:24 PM:
 
Not sure of his motivations, but he is real. And I'm sure I would be listed as one the bullies.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 16, 2011, 01:45 PM:
 
Okay, we can give him a temporary pass and see if his contributions are the equal of TA.
El Guapo, a bully? Perish the thought!

GH/LB
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on April 16, 2011, 02:28 PM:
 
I know Casey...

Not sure what is going on but I have known him for many years and never had any problems with him at all. I think a lot of fellas from PM have become more and more disenchanted.

Nikonut
 

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Posted by George Ackley (Member # 898) on April 16, 2011, 04:37 PM:
 
I also can say i know Casey and this does not sound normal for him
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 16, 2011, 06:04 PM:
 
Well then, aside from his negative opinion of our membership, why would he bother me with his PM problems? I can't do anything for him, not even hold his hand.

If he's okay, he should be a little more candid. I don't know what his purpose might be?

GH/LB

PS weze not bullies.
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 16, 2011, 06:15 PM:
 
Can someone tell me? Who on this site has been bullied? Are we refering to that fucking asshole TA or did I miss a bunch of bullying? Seriously. who are these people who have time to piss and moan about bullying but dont have time to for a little due diligence in these matters? Grow a set or shut the fuck up! Of course I mean that in the nicest way possible.
 

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Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on April 16, 2011, 06:29 PM:
 
he's a frequent poster on PM's i can't recall him posting anything negetive. seems like a good guy
 

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Posted by George Ackley (Member # 898) on April 16, 2011, 07:23 PM:
 
JD, That Goddamn 4toes felloe and that grumpy old felloe R Shaw pick on me all the time them bullies'
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 16, 2011, 07:44 PM:
 
You guys need to look up cyber bullying. It's a very real issue and some of you mindless, heartless, test tube babies could learn a thing or two by looking it up... Bullies!? Lol!
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 16, 2011, 08:14 PM:
 
Dont know em, but have seen him around the forums. I believe he does live in Wyoming. Dont know why he would be pullin your chain LB. Then again, I have recieved lots of emails complaining about Huntmasters, wanting to shut it down etc, signed by guys I know did not write them, so it may be bogus?
The last one I got was an email wanting me to partcipate in a boycott of HM untill TA was banished. Anyone else get that one?
Mark
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 16, 2011, 08:34 PM:
 
A boycott? That's funny. I'm sure he's a great guy, I shouldn't bully him or I'll be the subject of the next boycott. lol
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 16, 2011, 09:02 PM:
 
I've met Casey twice in two years when he's come out to meet me & Kerry on our p-dog shoot in Wyoming. Nice guy...

Can't & won't speculate as to what your correspondence was about?
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 16, 2011, 09:17 PM:
 
Good luck convincing management to shut down Huntmasters because somebody picks on Tim Anderson. Personally, i think he did not deserve all he got, but on the other hand, i don't visit other boards, so i'm not all that informed, as to his transgressions, real or imagined.

The problem, if it is a problem, is with policy here, which is no supervision, moderating, editing and deleting content. I will not use my tools to modify posts by members. I will jump in and actively engage those involved in arguing when I think it is getting out of hand, but all I use is my own words to counter what the meanies write. I recognize that for some individuals, that might be judged inadequate.

I "thought" Tim had a pretty thick skin, or I probably should have jumped to his defense a little sooner, because I don't like the bully culture any more than anyone else. However, I don't accept the charge, that our members are any more cruel than other sites. We don't allow the private message feature, which is where other sites allow bullying, but it's a dirty little secret. At least what we have is above board, so the hue and cry to shut us down over a couple instances is all they have, and it ain't much, considering volume etc.

So, it's my fault for treating these people like adults. I listen to all complaints and do what I can to please the most unreasonable and insecure among us. Believe it or not, complaints are very rare. So, a certain type of person instead writes, (anonymously yet) to Lone Howl about supposed injustices. I really don't get it?

All I know is I think very highly of our membership, they are the best of the best, as far as I'm concerned.

GH/LB
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 16, 2011, 10:36 PM:
 
This is getting interesting.

I have information that Cal really did, although it was a long time ago.

I also got another message from Middleton and he now says that he likes Huntmasters. Apparently, he's reading along, with everybody else. He also filled me in a little bit on his PM problems.

But, then again, I got another email telling me that our members could be/might be unsympathetic....which I highly doubt.

I'm still not sure where I fit in, here?

GH/LB
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 17, 2011, 04:44 AM:
 
Well then there is only one way to find out...join up cmiddleton.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 17, 2011, 06:13 AM:
 
He's looking for approval from Top Dog El Bee, testing the waters, looking for a place to call home. He wants to come the Island Of Misfit Toys.

I believe all of us speak our minds no matter which board it is on and no matter what the consequence.

Edit: I just noticed my new title. It is an honor! Thx!

[ April 17, 2011, 06:16 AM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 17, 2011, 10:34 AM:
 
I got an offer from a currently banned member, not 30 minutes ago, to give me the lowdown on Middleton, if I'm interested? And, why wouldn't I be, with a great teaser like that?

Enter the Confessional on your knees, my son, slide the little door and utter the words; Bless me father, for I have sinned.

(consider this my response, I don't need another pen pal crawling out of the woodwork)

GH/LB

PS nope, it's not Ladder Boy or Robb Krause.
 

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Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on April 17, 2011, 10:43 AM:
 
Its funny how you remember certain individuals from over at pm. I don't remember him as being particularly caustic in demeaner, but more or less remember him as being one of the PC Rodney King types! You know, the kind that stands behind the skirts of the mods and asks 'why can't we all just get along????". This could explain his 'horror' at seeing how things are handled here. I also think I remember what 3Toes is talking about. It involved some claims made on the internet where the validity was questioned.
Anyway, there is your dissenting opinion Lb. Its up to cmiddleton now.

Maintain
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 17, 2011, 11:46 AM:
 
He has not actually applied for membership, which is another puzzling detail.

But, I guess our former member, Erner Ton, is willing to bring me up to speed.

GH/LB
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 17, 2011, 12:21 PM:
 
Oh boy, I'll prolly go tits up and piss myself from all this anticipation!!

Sheeeesh!!! Maybe we need a shrink here at HM.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 17, 2011, 02:43 PM:
 
Now, I've heard from another anonymous emailer who claims to be a pal of middleton, offering insight and a link to something at PM? Maybe I will go there to get all knowed up as to what transpired in 2004?

But, as I said previously, he did apologize for the remark about Huntmaster bullies.

GH/LB

Oh PS! Heard from TA again, he said the site (ah shit, I forgot) Was it coyote hunter.net? Maybe? Anyway, he said John Denver followed him over there, probably to make sure he doesn't stink it up and to stand by, in case he does? I dunno?

[ April 17, 2011, 02:44 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Cayotaytalker (Member # 1954) on April 17, 2011, 03:14 PM:
 
CMiddleton,the name rings a bell with me as well.Now I could very well be full of shit on this but I think the guy used to live here in vegas. But has moved to Wyoming.And it seams to me that the guy was a lever puller out of local 12 here in Vegas. And I also think he knew a local caller here in vegas (Henderson Nevada) with the handle Crap shoot.And he used to post over on PM.
So if any of you guys that know this man is any of this stuff right or am I mixed up?
I guess PM's not that bad of a site,but the turn off for me was that they were a little to PC for me.And the other thing was all those fucking Fox Pro leg humpers would just piss me off to no end.I mean I know that Fox Pro has a good product,But I still went with the other brand.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 17, 2011, 04:27 PM:
 
It's always fun to go back and look up the "thread in question". I sure wouldn't want 3Toes on my case. He's tenacious... And sometimes right...
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 17, 2011, 04:30 PM:
 
Sorry, I had to change the title of this thread.

I'll be Ralph Edwards, host of the hokey TV show as we stroll down MEMORY LANE.

cmiddleton; THIS IS YOUR LIFE

Now, step up to the plate!

GH/LB
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 17, 2011, 04:33 PM:
 
via email

Would the good folks at Huntmasters please consider doing some kind of a fundraiser for CM (Casey Middleton)? You see, his kid is a meth-head and owes his drug dealer some cold cash. Ya'all can donate calls (maybe an auction?) but better yet send greenback dollars. This dealer is losing patience so time is of the essence CM is Wyoming's premier coyote caller and would put TA17 to shame. No need to hire ADC professionals when you can call on CM. By Heck, CM also is in charge of the local BLM office and can close down public access whenever he feels. Please send your money to cmiddleton c/o Predatormasters.com Thanks in advance for your support.

(signed bullet bob)

how's that for a blast from the past?
 

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on April 17, 2011, 04:47 PM:
 
Smithers,thats just what my wife says also. Or maybe it's tenacious and rarely right? Something like that. Anyway, I haven't had any dealings with Mr. Middleton for a long time and I hold no ill will towards him.
As for Coyotay, I don't think cmidd ever lived in Vegas. I could be wrong, but I think he's a Wyoming lifer.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 17, 2011, 04:50 PM:
 
A WY LIFER? I suppose there are worse things, but I can't think of one, at the moment? Bwahhahahaha!
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 17, 2011, 05:33 PM:
 

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It's always fun to go back and look up the "thread in question". I sure wouldn't want 3Toes on my case. He's tenacious... And sometimes right

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Smithers can you provide a link for those of us who are uninformed?
 

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Posted by Cayotaytalker (Member # 1954) on April 17, 2011, 06:02 PM:
 
3Toes, you might be right on that CM might not be out of of Vegas.Of course this is not the first time my magic hat has let me down.Or where ever I was trying to pull that info out of.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 17, 2011, 06:32 PM:
 
4949, I mailed you the link.

I didn't sense any ill will, 3Toes. You were just setting him straight

[ April 17, 2011, 06:35 PM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 17, 2011, 06:48 PM:
 
Well, mail me the link, too. The "informants" link didn't work.

GH/LB
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 17, 2011, 07:07 PM:
 
You have mail, Leonard.
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on April 17, 2011, 11:28 PM:
 
CM lives in Wyoming and is an electrical contractor, mainly large building projects and mining operations.

Casey's daughter, Jenny, was/is ill and struggles to maintain her health... we had several auctions at PM to help with Jen's medical bills. I know because I'm the person that originally went to the PM Admn with the fundraising concept and then organised the call auctions.

I seem to remember a heated thread regarding a rancher wanting coyotes killed and conflict with Casey and the ADC guys. Not sure, just what I remember.

I'm wondering if this is really Casey emailing or someone pretending to be him? I certainly don't think Casey would ever directly ask for donations
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 18, 2011, 12:21 AM:
 
You stay up late, niko?

Who said this guy was asking for anything? Not of me, he didn't. #1, first email, he originally called us bullies. #2, he was grousing about the PM assholes in Wyoming. (his words) He never said anything to me, in three emails about money, for any reason?

So, PM people collected money for him; but that was before. Now, they are assholes. No good deed goes unpunished.

GH/LB

edit: based on my fine analysis of the link, just looking at spelling, there is no question that it is cmiddleton that has been writing emails to me. The question remains, why does he bother me with his problems?

[ April 18, 2011, 01:08 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by George Ackley (Member # 898) on April 18, 2011, 04:21 AM:
 
I thought I was on top of who was saying what at PM and I don't remember anything involving Casey other then the thread with clay.
and on the get together in WY this year something must of happened after the fact because it looks to me in that thread he had a good time as everyone looks to have had .

i am thinking something happened lately .

to post here in this thread about moneys for drug dealers is some fucked up chitman

[ April 18, 2011, 01:01 PM: Message edited by: George Ackley ]
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 18, 2011, 07:56 AM:
 
This is sewing circle soap opera type shit for barrel chested bullies. LOVE IT!
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 18, 2011, 10:37 AM:
 
I got ANOTHER anonymous email, telling me all about cmiddleton, a genuine expose'. These no balls emails are starting to annoy me! What is wrong with signing your name to a piece of email? Then they offer to let me reply for $19 per year.

Maybe I will copy it. I need to think about it.

GH/LB
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 18, 2011, 12:32 PM:
 

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4949, I mailed you the link.

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Thank you, smithers.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 18, 2011, 01:01 PM:
 
Welcome 4949.

Leonard, what are the email addy's?
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 18, 2011, 01:19 PM:
 
Waste of time, smithers. This type wouldn't send shit if there was a chance in hell of being discovered. Pussies. What ever happened to real men?

I had a confrontation right in front of the Golden Nugget, probably dozens of people witnessed this big dummy, who had been drinking, jump in my face. Later, when a cop on a bike was talking to him, I had two total strangers come up to me and ask if I was ex-service, and I said yeah, I was, and they said it showed, by the way I held my ground, while giving up 50 pounds, 30 years and 6" in height. I might get my ass kicked, but that asshole would have his work cut out for him. That's the problem with bullies. I'm old now, but at one time, I was nobody to mess with.

Anyway, beside the point, but who gives a shit about IP addresses? This type is a limp dicked wimp who has a lot to say as long as nobody knows who he is. I think it's disgusting, a grown man sending anonymous email. Shameful, but that's what we have these days, girly men in camo, no less!

GH/LB
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 18, 2011, 02:12 PM:
 
I don't really care about IP addresses, I just wanted to chat with our anonymous emailer. Do some bugging and the like.
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 18, 2011, 03:21 PM:
 
Well, I just read all seven pages of that thread. Interesting stuff.

I will say one thing though. If cmiddleton joins up here, we need to send him to a crash course on using puncuation and paragraphs. My eyes are popping out of my head from reading his long posts.

Edit: Cuz..

[ April 18, 2011, 03:51 PM: Message edited by: 4949shooter ]
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 18, 2011, 03:22 PM:
 
El Bee;
Have you noticed that on a somewhat predictable timetable, either you get an anonymous email that attempts to stir shit or someone registers and shortly posts something to cause a shit-storm??

Kind of sounds like somebody needs a life & has made chain-yanking their hobby.
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on April 18, 2011, 09:19 PM:
 
KOKO,

You just said what I was thinking! Must have something to do with the Treebark camo...

I have no respect for people that write anonymous emails and tell lies to cause others harm. They need to be in Washington with the other politicians.

Nikonut
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 18, 2011, 10:55 PM:
 
And yet ANOTHER email, this one from someone called JT. Claims he lurks here and many other places, so he must have been castrated many years ago? He snarkily said that Cmiddleton would fit right in at HM. The guy hasn't registered, duh! At least Berry registered. Never posted, but he registered. Come on CM, man up. Register and tell us what's on your mind. You and niko have a lot to talk about. Bwahahaha!

GH/LB
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on April 19, 2011, 12:22 AM:
 
Might have to give him a call... wouldn't want you guys to be disappointed!

I'm not guessing about what might have happened or might be going on, just know Casey is a good guy. I also know we all have our moments, good and bad...

Nikonut
 

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Posted by sak81 (Member # 3706) on April 19, 2011, 05:43 AM:
 
So what kind a guy does it take to "fit right in at HM?"
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 19, 2011, 10:56 AM:
 
Since it was a snarky comment, I have to assume that he meant it wasn't a good thing? But, who gives a shit what a spineless and anonymous troll thinks? Hold your breath, he may see your question and respond. We can only hope!

GH/LB

edit: and by the way, sak. It looks like you have made 13 posts here, every one hostile, if not completely unfriendly. Why don't you find somewhere else for your snotty comments.

[ April 19, 2011, 11:09 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 19, 2011, 11:39 AM:
 
Someone who can both give it, and take it. Most all is meant in good fun and you pay your dues by snarking back. Do you need to be a great hunter? No, we don't even talk about hunting all that much, and that's because most guys here have been hunting so much that they enjoy being able to converse about something else with like minded guys.

This place, as George pointed out, is like deer camp, or the get together fire in the desert, just without the fire. If you'd say it when within the reach of a fist, then you can say it here. If you wouldn't, then it's best kept to yourself. Pretty simple.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 19, 2011, 12:15 PM:
 
Sak,unfortunately, you don't fit in. I can't remember saying that more than once or twice, ever? Get lost, Amigo.
Leonard
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on April 19, 2011, 01:12 PM:
 
Just being honest and sincere in what you have to say is the main thing.

Registering multiple user names, making posts for no other reason than to start crap with other people when you think they don't know who you are etc. is the polar opposite of what this place is about.

- DAA
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on April 19, 2011, 02:08 PM:
 
Well said, Dave.

For years I had heard about what a rough place Leonard's forum was until I finally started reading it. It wasn't a good time for me having just burned my bridges at PM... still everyone here seemed to understand and after giving me the honorary crap deserved from my time moderating at PM, I'm still here! Like Lance said, this place isn't always about hunting but it is a bunch of like minded hunters for the most part.

And this place is self policing most of the time. Thanks for allowing us all that freedom Leonard, I know it is a principal you believe in and it shows.

Nikonut
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 19, 2011, 02:28 PM:
 
Yea, multiple user names is soooo lame!
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 19, 2011, 02:31 PM:
 
For those that don't know, sak and his son are the one's that got a special pas from Dillon when they violated the published rules. I thought, for sure, that Foxpro would realize the problems and discontinue the contest, but they didn't. Victor Carlson was the one that pointed out the fact that there was a team in the contest that only one member was registered but the son was racking up the coyotes. I don't think Vic cared who was the shooter, except that the father was the one entered in the contest while the son wasn't. I suppose it is a picky little detail, but the previous year there was a different picky little detail, how many fingers were held up and Little Stevie Wonder expected Foxpro to disqualify every animal that the photo did not show the right number of fingers or something like that?

So, it is easy to understand why Vic brought up the fact that sak's two man team wasn't entered in the contest properly. Foxpro blew it off by saying that team had an okay from Dillon and everything was hunky dory.

Subsequently, it appears to many on this board, that sak came in here with the sole purpose of screwing with AZ Hunter, which is Vic's handle. By extension, I suppose he thinks Huntmasters is guilt by association, thus the needle inserted every once in a while. And, this is a grown man coming up with little chickenshit comments whenever he feels the urge.

I could have shut him down and deleted his crap a long time ago, but I was hoping he would grow up. At this point, I just would like to see him go somewhere else. Is that too much to ask? I have a hell of a lot more respect for TA than this jerk, if that gives you an idea?

GH/LB
 

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Posted by sak81 (Member # 3706) on April 19, 2011, 03:12 PM:
 
Hang on a min. Screwing with vic? I wasn't the one getting upset with the stupid foxpro contest. When I found out what all that was being said over here, I was only defending myself. How is what they (foxpro) decided on my fault? As far as Vic goes, no problems what so ever. Actually had a couple pm's with him on foxpro.

As far as the multi user names go. Not I. sak81 the son, of the father son team.

13 post an all neg? When I asked KJ about the relay it was because I had never heard of it. I ran track in high school,an was the third leg of a record setting 4x100m relay team.

I don't know what else to tell ya. As far as eaglerock goes. Maybe it was bad timing? That was about the time my wife was diagnosed with breast cancer.

You don't want me posting around here that's cool. The sun will still come up tomorrow.
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on April 19, 2011, 05:35 PM:
 
I'm gonna type this mostly just cuz I'm in the mood.

I really don't give a rat's ass either way, but I think you may have the wrong opinion about sak. He IS the son and it was his dad, eaglerock, and some others from his camp that engaged Vic over the Foxpro fiasco. As far as I can recall, sak never made a nagative comment on the forum during the '09/10 contest. Can't speak to any PMs that may have been exchanged, but most of that dustup was between other members of sak's fan club and Vic. I say that because a lot of the grousing took place in my contest thread since that was where Vic made many of his comments about the bending of the rules.

I will say that some of sak's short posts, here and elsewhere, have seemed a bit snarky, but in my recollection haven't crossed any lines, and when his name first appeared, here and elsewhere, he was on my radar. Simple reason, guilt by association. Kinda like I was a crybaby in the contest since Vic was voicing his concerns in my thread. I did root for my fellow Arizonan to beat them in the contest because you'll never convince me that 2 guys hunt together all the time and only one of them ever pulls the trigger. I'd have to see that with my own eyes.

Like I said, I could care less, but just a little background from someone who was in the middle of it. Now, some of sak's running buds, I'd be right in line to pour gas on the fire.

Carry on.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 19, 2011, 06:08 PM:
 
I guess, being a senior, you just never get stuff right?

Sak, if you don't mind, please explain how this question, below, was completely innocent?

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So what kind a guy does it take to "fit right in at HM?"

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In the meantime, I'm "holding on", and standing by. You have your chance to show us how misunderstood you are. The main thing is, I don't have an answer to your question, but I have a gut feeling that you don't fit in and don't want to fit in, and didn't expect an answer.

Sorry about confusing who's who, BTW.

GH/LB

edit: PS Jim, thanks for the information. I don't want to jump anybody that is completely misunderstood, but even if the guy never made a troll type of post in the past, the question in this thread is an attempt to be a smart ass. It would be difficult to convince me otherwise; but (sak) go ahead and try.

[ April 19, 2011, 06:16 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 19, 2011, 06:22 PM:
 
Was it 2 fingers pinching the nose in the Fox "pr •ô•" contest?
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on April 19, 2011, 06:26 PM:
 
Gulty by association?

Yes sir we are, there's a reason for that.
 

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Posted by sak81 (Member # 3706) on April 19, 2011, 07:36 PM:
 
Jim- Sorry you feel that way but that's the way it went down. My dad does the filming, (when weather permits) and I do the shooting. We never hunt separate because that's what we do. I consider my dad my best friend, an as shitty as he came off on this site, he would give the shirt off his back at anytime, to anyone.

I guess that's what I meant in the what kind of man does it take post. I consider myself a kind, modest dude. An to get thrown under the bus like I did, from people who don't know me was bs. I guess maybe that's where I differ from the rest of the shit I have been reading on the net. Like someone said earlier, I don't come here to gain hunting experience. Well neither do I.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 19, 2011, 07:59 PM:
 
Okay, I don't see where you addressed the question, but we'll just forget that there was some doubt about your intent. Clean slate.

GH/LB
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 20, 2011, 03:18 AM:
 
I will offer my version of what it takes to "fit in" on this site.

You have to have strong opinions, and more importantly you have to have the cojones to stand behind your opinions, regardless of what other people think or say here.

That's what I like about it really..
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 20, 2011, 09:19 AM:
 
cmiddleton via anonymous email service says he got back at those PM meanies and said he tried to register but couldn't. I don't suppose that was because he tried it via his anonymous email account? You must have a valid email to receive your Huntmaster's password. Anyway, he sounds quite pleased with himself. All is well in Mudville. (get it?)

GH/LB

edit: PS 49, does that mean Tom64 and JD have the biggest balls on the 'net? and with one infected testicle, stay OUT of the man's way!

[ April 20, 2011, 09:22 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 20, 2011, 11:13 AM:
 
If you keep bullying me I'm gonna send you a bunch of those anonymous emails LB......or maybe I'll just call you names.....I dunno, I'll get back to ya on that one.

BTW.... It's kinda weird that you're so concerned about my testicular well being but I suppose it's nice that someone cares.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 20, 2011, 11:46 AM:
 
Oh shit! Is that one of those indicators? OMG! You mean I secretly like boys?

I guess it's better to be aware, than for everybody else to know and you don't? Like Elton John and Rock Hudson. Who knew?

I can take something for it, right? Makes the symptoms go away? Thanks for the heads up

GH/LB
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 20, 2011, 12:24 PM:
 
yea, that's an indicator for sure, another one is if you are fond of outlaw bikers who pick their noses. I'm just saying....
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 20, 2011, 12:39 PM:
 
From this point forward, I'm in the closet.
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on April 20, 2011, 01:23 PM:
 
"You have to have strong opinions, and more importantly you have to have the cojones to stand behind your opinions, regardless of what other people think or say here."

Personal experience trumps conjecture every time.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 20, 2011, 02:02 PM:
 
Tom, my friend, you are getting a wee bit too cryptic lately.

example: Guilty by association?
Yes sir we are, there's a reason for that.


example #2
Personal experience trumps conjecture every time.

Are you bucking for moderator of the Eastern Philosophy Forum?
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 20, 2011, 03:56 PM:
 
I think Tom was being positive.

[ April 20, 2011, 04:01 PM: Message edited by: 4949shooter ]
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on April 20, 2011, 05:50 PM:
 
I'm always trying to be positive.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 20, 2011, 06:30 PM:
 
As a TRUE member here you should have no opinions and if you do, stay low key about it and never voice them. You should shun those with opinions! Because TRUE members know everything and don't have opinions, they have FACTS. AH HA!!

Edited for fucking spelling and shit

[ April 20, 2011, 06:31 PM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 20, 2011, 08:42 PM:
 
Wow! Give smithers a little free pass at the ewe tang and he gets violent, and shit. LOL Probably sitting there in his ewe-beater T-shirt and his pants on the ground, and shit.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 20, 2011, 10:34 PM:
 
I don't doubt it! Do you remember that photo of him at the dentist? I still have bad dreams over that one.

GH/LB
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 21, 2011, 04:26 AM:
 
Yo, Cdog, my man! I carry a 9 on every stand, ya know ut I'm sayin'? Case I gotta knock da dust off a coyote that been trippin on my cottontail wheeze an shit. When ewe the prez of the wool factory ya gots to represent, on the real.

We all put our assless chaps on, one leg at a time, around here. Should I use a condom when I'm with a sheep? What do you do, Cdog? Bare back or do you use protection?

[ April 21, 2011, 04:31 AM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 21, 2011, 06:50 AM:
 
Oh my?!?
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 21, 2011, 08:26 AM:
 
Lol. Exactly the reply I was hoping for...
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 21, 2011, 11:33 AM:
 
I always said, there's something not right with that boy.

GH/LB
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 21, 2011, 11:38 AM:
 
Leonard, if you met me in person you'd be surprised to find that I'm a kind gentle soul. But somethin ain't right about me. You got that right. I'm SPECIAL...
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 21, 2011, 11:47 AM:
 
Yeah, little bus, lickin' the windows, football helmet wearing assless chaps kinda "special". LOL
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 21, 2011, 11:48 AM:
 
Uh..............Yeah. We've known that you're `special` for quite a while, Smithers, but what the heck; as long as you don't write on the walls around here with you'r own feces, you're ok with us.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 21, 2011, 12:53 PM:
 
Assless chaps, a hockey helmet, a wife beater with chew spittle and mustard down the front, clutching patches of sheeps wool in both hands, looking for windows to clean with an oversized freak tongue. Let's hang out...
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on April 21, 2011, 09:14 PM:
 
I may be crazy but you fellas are scaring me!!!

I hope I never get that crazy!!!!

Nikonut
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 21, 2011, 09:23 PM:
 
I'm thinkin' the same. I will never look at a pair of chaps the same way, again. I nominate smithers to moderate the SPACE CADET FORUM.

GH/LB
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 22, 2011, 03:20 AM:
 
Well anyways...four pages dedicated to cmiddleton on Huntmasters.

He should feel honored!
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 22, 2011, 08:24 AM:
 
Honored, you say?

via email:

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remove my thread about me or you'l be reported thats f'ing BS keep asking you to registir me but you keep BS'ing with me everybody seems to be an asshole anymore can you hear me now? i will be watching

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response: Look, quit wasting my time with your stupid problems.....or, I will report you!

IF YOU WANT TO REGISTER, YOU NEED TO USE A LEGITIMATE EMAIL ADDRESS.

GH/LB
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 22, 2011, 09:28 AM:
 
Report to who? The Internet police!? Lol! This guy shall mod the tinfoil hat forum
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on April 22, 2011, 09:38 AM:
 
mebbeso he's gonna report him to AlGore? And AlGore is dumb enough and a dweeb enough to get his knickers all in a wad over it, too.
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on April 22, 2011, 09:41 AM:
 
no...no....I got it!!! He's gonna report him to TA !!! Leonard, you are sooo in trouble now, bro'!!!
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 22, 2011, 10:04 AM:
 
WHAT?

I don't need TA on my ass, he better mean Big Al or maybe Berry? Who cares, right?

Question: Is this guy a known drinker?

Look, Cmiddleton, I'm talking to you. If you want to register, if you have something to say, you have to use a real email account, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. Never mind this stupid anonymous email shit. The program will not allow you to register, unless you provide an email address. How many times do I have to tell you?

It's your turn in the barrel, you started it. How else can I talk to you? I can't respond to your chickenshit anonymous email service, and you can't become a member without using a real email address which is needed to provide you with your password information. Now, I started out, completely neutral, but now, you are getting on my nerves. Quit bothering me with your petty bullshit and we won't talk about you. I'm starting to think you have a serious problem, not sure what, exactly?

Either register like everyone else, or find somewhere else to play games. Apparently you shit in your own mess kit over at PMS, so you need to find another board that will put up with your shit. Good luck with that, Amigo.

GH/LB

[ April 22, 2011, 10:07 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on April 22, 2011, 10:17 AM:
 
"Yo, Cdog, my man! I carry a 9 on every stand, ya know ut I'm sayin'? Case I gotta knock da dust off a coyote that been trippin on my cottontail wheeze an shit. When ewe the prez of the wool factory ya gots to represent, on the real."

Smithers, you're killing me!!! You just reminded me of my boy Rodney Carrington singing 'Rap Star".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f92YuLMrBd8
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 22, 2011, 12:07 PM:
 
CMiddleBarry, clean up your
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 22, 2011, 12:21 PM:
 
Edit: Mrs. 49 says I shouldn't say things like this on good Friday. I was dropping some F bombs earlier.

[ April 23, 2011, 02:41 AM: Message edited by: 4949shooter ]
 

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Posted by tlbradford (Member # 1232) on April 22, 2011, 01:10 PM:
 
Are F-bombs even considered vulgar in NJ? I can just picture you and your wife sitting in church Easter sunday with a priest saying "so this f'n mooley says roll away the stone..."
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 22, 2011, 01:58 PM:
 
Lol yes it's the normal lingo around here. The entire series the Sopranos was filmed 45 minutes from my house, and ten minutes from the office I work out of.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 22, 2011, 02:00 PM:
 
Laughing the fuck out loud! Tlbradford wins post of the day!
 

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Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 22, 2011, 02:11 PM:
 
49 I dont know how you can do that work it must be difficult. I would have a lot of trouble getting them back to the station, and explaining how they tried to escape and threatened to do me harm and such."no sir he ran a round the corner trying to get away and ran right into this knife 43 times" or he grabbed my gun and I wrestled it a way from him and somehow shot him in the back of the head yeah thats thats exactly how it happened lol. I guess I wouldnt make a very good peace officer! I never enjoyed the sopranos I dont see how we glorify this scum.
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 22, 2011, 02:25 PM:
 
That is a good point Paul. These shows do glorify organized crime.

On another note, the infamous "Iceman" dumped a body in an oil barrel right outside "Harry's Corner," where we got our egg sandwhiches often on midnight shift.
 

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Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 22, 2011, 02:39 PM:
 
Did they catch the infamous Iceman? I'm sorry I dont know who he is.How far out of things do you travel to hunt. I keep seeing Newark in my head when I think of jersey but I know its much more than West New York and the Parkway. I have a friend from Morristown. After all its the Garden State. The thing I like about Az. I can be huntin in 20 min.From just about anywhere in Az.
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 22, 2011, 04:04 PM:
 
Do you guys really think 'the Sopranos' series is providing you an accurate portrayal?
 

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Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on April 22, 2011, 05:20 PM:
 
"Do you guys really think 'the Sopranos' series is providing you an accurate portrayal?"

I doubt Paul does, but I bet a large percentage of the voting public finds it an accurate portrayal.
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 22, 2011, 05:30 PM:
 
Paul I live in northern New Jersey, in a rural suburban town. I am not too far from Morristown, traveling via highway. I have been to the hospital there to follow up on fatal accidents, and DWI's involved in crashes.

The Iceman, who I am pretty sure had died in prison, was an organized crime "hit man." They did an HBO special on him years ago.
 

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Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on April 22, 2011, 07:26 PM:
 
Well hell, I always thought Shaw was the Iceman; atleast thats what I call him. The only thing that rattles him is urban traffic! LOL

Maintain
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 22, 2011, 08:28 PM:
 
My guess is that if Randy Shaw was to "race" Cal Taylor, neither would win. I don't care how slow they drive, as long as they stay out of the fast lane.

GH/LB

edit: Shaw ain't the ICE MAN, he is Peanut Butter Man, da da da da dah!

[ April 22, 2011, 08:29 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 23, 2011, 11:11 AM:
 
Yeah Leonard I went to San Diego a couple a weeks back and was nearly run off the road because I was only goin 70 and not in the fast lane.80 was the norm unless you were exiting. I must be getting old and slow.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 23, 2011, 12:06 PM:
 
I dodged the bullet yesterday, twenty miles this side of Barstow. As you can imagine, Friday getaway, and I was idling along in the fast lane and an Audi was on my tail for several miles, so I signaled, pulled into the next lane and he went by. We had not gone a mile when we turned a bend and an overpass and my radar lit up. The CHP hastened to catch up, I kept going but the Audi was (suddenly) doing about 55 in the slow lane. Red lights behind me but he only wanted the Audi, (brand new, Nevada plate) I felt fortunate, my luck is holding.

From anytime Friday afternoon until midnight, the traffic headed to Vegas is doing at least 80 and once you give up the fast lane, nobody will let you back in so, just keep up with the flow. But, this was earlier, 12:30P.M. and they can pick whoever they want, and an Audi looks like it's going a lot faster that my pick up.

Don't tell me they don't discriminate. I used to have a red Suburban, total cop magnet.

GH/LB

edit: hey, where is PEANUT BUTTER MAN?

[ April 23, 2011, 12:09 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 23, 2011, 01:12 PM:
 
It's easier to pick a red suburban out of traffic. I'm not sure if that really counts as discrimination but it has the same end result.

Out of state plates? Yep...out of staters more often than not don't come back for court.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 23, 2011, 01:44 PM:
 
TOTAL DISCRIMINATION, 49! They always discriminate, and don't get me worked up about how cops flash a badge and get a free pass, when they are the fastest speeders and the one's that ignore most traffic rules....GRRR! If there is one thing I give the CHP points for is that they ticket cops, and cops hate that! Privileged characters. I have never understood why they get off without getting wrote up and why they get pissed when the Highway Patrol doesn't acknowledge their "special" status. You know, they think they are EXEMPT from obeying traffic laws. The most chickenshit cops are the most fragrant & flagrant violators. What is it about those dickheads?

GH/LB
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 23, 2011, 03:44 PM:
 
I have heard that about the California Highway Patrol Leonard. They do have a bad reputation with other California cops, as far as showing courtesy goes. The other CA cops over on Glocktalk pound them for it.

Personally, I don't have respect for any LEO who abuses his position. This type of behavior tends to eventually catch up with the offender though. I have seen other cops issued summonses and even arrested for various offenses, like DWI, domestic violence, etc. I have also seen quite a few guys (and some gals) lose their jobs for this type of behavior, as well as for other offenses. You know how it goes, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Anyhoo, this topic reminds me of the time I got stopped on I-17 in Arizona, while heading up to the Grand Canyon with Mrs. 49, who wasn't Mrs. 49 yet. I got stopped by an Arizona Trooper, who was older than me (probably my age now). I think he had me pegged for another cop immediately. The conversation led to my status in law enforcement in NJ, and he told me to leave my off duty weapon in the car and come back to his car with him (we don't do this in NJ). He had a Ford Mustang, with no back seat. On the back shelf he had his smokey bear hat (which he wasn't wearing) and a shotgun was in a mount behind the seats. Well, he gave me a whole ration of shit for my speed (77/65 I will never forget it). I thought "here we go" and figured I was going to get written or bonded. He ended up writing me a warning, and gave me some Arizona Highway Patrol key chains which I carried proudly for years until they deteriorated and broke. I also had the written warning hanging up in my locker at work for years. I changed lockers so many times, it eventually got stuffed in with all my other junk. I probably still have it someplace. So yes, the AZ Trooper showed me courtesy. Or maybe he would have written a warning anyway for the speed of 77/65? I don't know for sure. My take on it is, he recognized the car as a rental, thought "tourist" and figured there was a fat chance in hell of him having to go to court for it, and made the stop. He probably let me go cuz I was a fellow cop and he took a liking to me. Imagine that.
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 23, 2011, 04:12 PM:
 
CHP gets a bad rap?

With smiles like these???


c'mon! Really?

[ April 23, 2011, 04:13 PM: Message edited by: knockemdown ]
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on April 23, 2011, 09:03 PM:
 
You will very rarely catch one of those guys wearing his campaign hat, 49. They almost always ride on the backseat deck. The DPS officers run the same types as any other force. Good ones on one end and dickheads on the other. The brotherhood may have played into your situation, but not necessarily. I have received nothing more than a verbal warning when I should have been handed a ticket, but have also been cut out of a line of traffic doing the speed limit in the right lane while traffic was passing in the left, and ticketed for not having splash guards on my pickup. As you can imagine, I showed this fine officer the utmost respect. I guess I should have told him that he neglected to to spot the 2 assault rifles, 2 shotguns, and sidearm that my passenger was wearing when he inspected the sticker on my door to confirm that my tires were not factory issue. He left my passenger inside the vehicle while he wrote me and had we been as evil as he thought we were for not having those splash guards, I doubt his vest or perfect hair would have saved him.

All cops here are pretty cool with guns. Unless you look like a gangbanger, the most they will do is make sure it is safe and put it on the roof or hood while they do business. After imforming a couple that I was packing, they asked if I was going to shoot them. When I said no, they told me to leave it where it was and went about their business without even asking for the weapon.

In the case of a scumbag, my PPD buddy likes to disassemble what he can when no detainable offense can be detected. If the rounds or a spring rolls off onto the ground, so be it.
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 24, 2011, 02:54 AM:
 
Jim those campaign hats must be more of an inconvenience than the hats we have to wear. LOL. I can see why they wouldn't want to wear them.

I guess I had a pretty good guy stop me that day. This took place in the early nineties, so he is probably retired now. As far as the other guy you mentioned, with the spalsh guards, every department, agency, station, or whatever has a guy like that. Funny, these types are usually the last ones to show up at a hot call.
 

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Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 24, 2011, 03:57 AM:
 
I have been stopped numerous times and only given a warning our highway patrol are for the most part "good guys" Im sure there are the dickheads too but I havent found one. now the city cops a different story,as many flavors as there are cops.. I was riding a newly aquired Ducati about a buck thirty and left with a 'wasting fininte resources' ticket a $25 fine I coulda left in bracelets.again HP ,after a long talk about scrapping up leftovers off the highway it turned out he was a sport bike enthusiast as well.

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on April 24, 2011, 06:33 AM:
 
I've had pretty good luck with our HP, only ticket I ever got was for speeding (40 in a 25) but I was asleep and found a concrete bridge. The kind officer had the worst reputation then and had to write me something as I sat there bleeding in his car.

I've never had a problem with my guns, I tell em I have a CCP and if they ask anything at all, it's whatch'ya carrying? Never got a ticket when I deserved one and yes I've deserved plenty but I guess it's my winning personality that keeps me out of trouble...
 

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Posted by George Ackley (Member # 898) on April 24, 2011, 07:39 AM:
 
Fred said

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Do you guys really think 'the Sopranos' series is providing you an accurate portrayal?

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Are you kidding me
it was a 100% accurate portrayal of the NJ,PA AND NY wise guys
100% ON THE MONEY!

[ April 24, 2011, 07:40 AM: Message edited by: George Ackley ]
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on April 24, 2011, 08:33 AM:
 
One of my buddies is from NJ. His Grandpa was a "made guy" (I forget which family). His Dad, is a retired city cop still living in NJ, but he comes out here to visit and stays with my buddy for a couple months each year and I've gotten to know him very well. They both say The Soprano's is about as far from "accurate" as you could imagine. And don't get them started on Jersy Shore!

Completely different subject, but one of the highlights of my summers is when my buddy Steve's Mom makes us dinner! That Lady can cook!!

- DAA
 

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Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on April 24, 2011, 09:50 AM:
 
Lying Asshole CHP gave me my first ticket, just outside Yucca Valley, for a stop sign violation. I had out of state tags too. I went to court about 4 different days for that. The last day, the pig bitch didn't show up and the judge through it out. I still remember her name too. Pisses me off that some might have to take 4 days off work to right a wrong against them by such a whore.

I remember a large groups of LEO's got upset after Katrina. They were coming home on I-95 and had the "Pedal to the metal". Some people thought that was such a gross, abuse of power, and such a disregard for the law was wrong. But it was OK since they were in a hurry to get home and all.

[ April 24, 2011, 09:52 AM: Message edited by: DanS ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 24, 2011, 11:38 AM:
 
We got pulled over one night south of Gila Bend by a County Sheriff, possibly midnight, middle of nowhere. Three guys in the front seat, my truck, but my partner was driving. After listening to a bunch of "command presence" bullshit, I leaned forward and told the guy; Hey look, this is my truck and we weren't speeding.

He looked at me in amazement, and said, "are you sure about that?" I said absolutely, and the guy just cut it short and let us go. My buddy said, a couple minutes later, that he thought we were all going to jail for what I said.

I'm just not the type to say thank you, after receiving a chickenshit ticket.

GH/LB
 

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Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on April 24, 2011, 02:06 PM:
 
I just have no patience for road bandits, either with or without badges. I can't distinguish the difference between her giving me a BS ticket when she knew I was right, or just taking my wallet and pulling out a couple C-notes and sending me on my way.

Even worse is with the ticket, you get points on your license, and higher insurance rates.

We have a little town (Tiny town) north of us called Curryville. It is near Mark Twain Lake. My poor brother got a BS ticket one morning there for speeding. He wasn't but that doesn't really matter, the jelly doughnut eating MF'r said he was. I suppose he could have taken off work and argued it with the judge. I think everyone is related up there.

I guess I should have more respect for the inbred Yuk-yuks up there. After all they do put their lives on the line everyday for us. <Sarcasm off now>
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 24, 2011, 03:05 PM:
 

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They both say The Soprano's is about as far from "accurate" as you could imagine

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The last day, the pig bitch didn't show up and the judge through it out.

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The Iceman, who I am pretty sure had died in prison, was an organized crime "hit man." They did an HBO special on him years ago.

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The Iceman was Richard Kuklinski and, yes, he died in prison. The Iceman Tapes were pretty chilling.

[ April 24, 2011, 04:33 PM: Message edited by: Semp ]
 

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Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on April 24, 2011, 05:20 PM:
 
4949

It wasn't meant to offend you. Actually the term Pig, originally was an unintentional pun. You may be the most honest LEO in the whole world. If so, I salute you. My best friend is an LEO. I don't hate all cops.

This is just one of the topics that gets me stoked up. I've seen that shield protect assholes. Who else can manhandle people, give compliance strikes, tune up people, etc... and get away with it? You know probably better than I, there are bullies with badges.

Joe Sixpack tries it, and I can defend myself. Barney Fife does it and I have to hold back. Heaven help the individual who looses composure. We all know what will happen next.

Anyway, she was totally wrong, she abused her power, and cause me some grief. My bosses weren't too happy about me taking time off to go to court. San Bernadino is a pretty big county and going to the courthouse is more than a few mile trip. Had the "lying dirtbag" actually came to court, I would venture to guess, her word against mine, who do you think would have prevailed?

Anyway, it's water under the bridge. Hell this was in 1983 I think. She's probably retired and drawing a big pension.

[ April 24, 2011, 05:25 PM: Message edited by: DanS ]
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 24, 2011, 06:03 PM:
 
So... The pig was a PIG! Officers can be sooo sensitive.
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 24, 2011, 07:03 PM:
 
I can understand your pain, Dan.

Smithers, PIG is an acronym for Pride, Integrity, Guts.
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on April 24, 2011, 08:12 PM:
 
Not in my neighborhood...
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 24, 2011, 10:14 PM:
 
Well, they all aren't assholes. As I mentioned, (I think I mentioned it?) when driving up US93 to meet Dave and Scott last month, I got nailed by a county sheriff in an SUV doing 83 in a 70. Man, I was pissed and didn't conceal that fact, and I couldn't find a current proof of insurance and after looking everywhere for what seemed like 5 minutes, he said okay, let it go and left. I presume to run my license for warrants? Anyway, he came back in a couple minutes and handed me my license. I'm sure I had a dumb expression on my face, but he just said the speed limit here is 70, take it easy. At that point, I did something I have never done, in that situation, I stuck my hand out and shook his hand and said thanks. Never, ever did that before. Correction, yes I did, but I was in college at the time, almost forgot.

GH/LB
 

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Posted by George Ackley (Member # 898) on April 25, 2011, 06:35 AM:
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on April 26, 2011, 07:18 PM:
 
Aw, hell. Tell ya what. I'll agree with you. I don't think cops should write traffic tickets or do traffic stops either. We just won't do any of that any more. People don't like getting stopped, and they don't like getting citations, and it makes them bitter, so to hell with it. We'll just go to domestics and burglaries and disturbances and robberies. And when that kid comes hauling ass down your street and runs over your dog or your kid, well, that's just a damn shame, and I'm really sorry about that, but we don't do speed enforcement any more, because nobody wants or deserves a ticket and it makes them bitter. And when that dude blows the red light cuz he's late for work and kills your wife or grandkids, well, like they say, shit happens, ya know? No sir, I'm sorry, we don't stop people who blow red lights or stop signs any more, we used to, mind you, but we found that stopping people or handing out tickets made them bitter, so we quit that, because it made them mad. And it left a long-lasting impression and made them negative about cops, so we quit it. Now nobody gets stopped, and nobody gets citations, so everybody loves us...or maybe they just hate us less. At least, some of them, the ones that think they are good folks if they don't murder or rob or rape and whatnot, they don't do anything really bad, just ignore or overlook or 'bend' the traffic laws. So it's all good now, right? You guys all love us now, right? Damn, that was easy to fix. I'm surprised Barack or AlGore didn't think of that.

[ April 26, 2011, 07:19 PM: Message edited by: DEL GUE ]
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on April 26, 2011, 07:55 PM:
 
Oh my god!

You guys think being pubic servants makes you special and we all get giddy over you showing up to do your job when we call?

Get over yourselves, I'm an automotive electrician, I work on cop cars, ambulances and fire trucks when the city mechanics can't figure it out. Ya'll are damn glad to see me when I show up. Hell if your toilet backs up, I bet you're glad to see the plumber when he shows up too.

Give me a freakin break!

No disrespect to those who died on 9-11, civilians or otherwise. Doing incredible things in the face of overwhelming odds doesn't come from wearing a badge.

And yes I'm in a piss poor mood but I stayed nice as long as I could. Deal with it.
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 26, 2011, 08:00 PM:
 
Some here sound like they are upset with the system.

Some sound as if they are upset with the attitudes of a few "bad apples."

Some are painting with a broad brush, and use generalized derogatory terms.

I will say this much...when you have 25 to 35 year old symbols of authority out there making motor vehicle stops there is going to be conflict. But as Del pointed out, traffic tickets save lives.

No one likes it when we get called to their home because they are arguing/fighting with their spouse. But we have to respond. They like it even less when we take one or both parties out of the house in handcuffs. Nobody likes to get locked up on a warrant because they neglected to pay a traffic ticket. Nobody likes to be told to get out of the lane when they stop IN the lane on an interstate highway to ask for directions. But it happens. Nobody likes when their freedom is taken away from them. Some people understand why this happens and some don't.

I know there are bad cops out there. Like
I said above I have seen them come and go. But by painting with a "broad brush," and using broad deragotory terms, we are putting all the LEO's in the same category. It's kinda like when people say that the members of Huntmasters are all bullies. You know...painting with a broad brush.

I won't lie to you guys. There are people out there who hate my guts for what I have had to do to them. The thing is, every single one of them put themselves in that position. I never once went out my door looking to ruin someones day. Heck, the people I dealt with caused their own days to be ruined. It wasn't my fault that some asshole lost his temper on Christmas Eve with his wife and stepson. It wasn't my fault that the wife called us. It wasn't my fault that the asshole didn't want to cooperate with 49. And it wasn't my fault that the guy couldn't control his temper and his hands with 49 and suffered the consequences. Yeah, he ruined my Christmas Eve. Too bad for him HE spent Christmas Eve in jail. I went home to my family. I am sure if you asked this guy he would tell you that 49 is the worst, meanest, most awful cop in the world. It's all relative. And believe me, he isn't the only one. But for every letter of complaint in my personnel file, I have ten, or maybe 20 letters of appreciation. People I have helped out over the years. Letters written by husbands of pregnant women I looked out for, grandmothers, grandfathers, sons, daughters, you name it. I have had mothers and fathers THANK me for arresting their children. You see, these people were smart enough to understand that the arrest of their (adult) child was the beginning of the road to recovery. Not all people get that.

I understand the independent thinking and even some of the resistance to authority on this site. I respect it in some ways, and I do expect some challenges. But this thread is now headed in the wrong direction.

That's my 2 cents.

Take it or leave it.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 26, 2011, 08:32 PM:
 
Okay, you guys. Don't start taking things personal. Honestly, it's not about two cops that like to hunt coyotes.

The both of you are a visible target where we can voice our frustrations at what WE CONSIDER INJUSTICE. For me, it is exclusively traffic stops, so I'm glad that Del has decided to quit bothering us. We don't drive any faster than the average policeman. In his personal vehicle, or in a cruiser.

First of all, most of these members (just a guess) probably have no record and have never been arrested, we tend to be honest taxpaying citizens who vote, rather than trailer park welfare wifebeaters.

Again, try not to take this stuff personal. I appreciate the opportunity to hear from you gentlemen about your side of things. It gives us a little insight to what the other side thinks. And, I really believe that they think of it as "us versus them". The police culture is a closed society, for the most part.

Or, am I mistaken?

GH/LB
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 26, 2011, 10:56 PM:
 
You aren't mistaken Leonard.

I just thought this thread was going in the wrong direction.

Where is cmiddleton, anyway?
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 27, 2011, 12:26 AM:
 
Well, he bitched because he couldn't complete his registration because he used that phony email. That won't work so where is he, who knows?

I wonder if he is related to the chick that is marrying Prince William tomorrow?

GH/LB
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on April 27, 2011, 07:37 AM:
 
Well, brother Tom, I appreciate that you're in a piss poor mood, and that you stayed nice as long as you could, and I will deal with it, just like I deal with all the other shit that rolls my way all day on the job, but the truth is that if we all spent as much time on here saying what assholes automotive electricians are, and talking about the shitty attitudes they have and the shitty work that they do, and by the way, Tom, the spotlight on my less-than-2000 mile cruiser still doesn't fuckin' work, ya know, if automotive electricians did their damn jobs right and didn't endanger my safety because they were lazy or had bad attidudes or whatever, if as much time was spent on here saying what worthless pieces of shit automotive electricians are as is spent badmouthing cops, then maybe you'd have a different take on this, my friend. It seems to go on on this site ad infinitum, and as far as staying nice as long as you could, so far I've let poor 49 take the brunt of it, taking the shit and having to deal with it, because basically I'm a pretty laid back dude who prefers not to have to deal with shit at home after having dealt with it all day at work, too, but maybe I've been nice as long as I could, too, ya know? And maybe I'm in a piss poor mood too, ya know?

Special? We wish the fuck we weren't special. We wish y'all would spend more time trash talking the professions of the other members on this board, day in and day out, and give us a breather, but y'all seem to think we're special because all we hear are a bunch of whiney-ass stories about how the cop was mean to the guiltless poster, or was mean and gave him a ticket, or whatever. Where's the stories about the fuckin' electricians and plumbers who didn't show up on time, or made a mess, or were fucking incompetent or lazy or careless and left without really fixin' the problem, or overcharged me (you know, took too damn much money outa my pocket, kinda like that prick cop who wrote the ticket), or stole some shit while they were in my house, or leered at my wife or daughter?

See, Tom, I guess we aren't special after all. We can be in a piss poor mood and be nice as long as we can just like automotive electricians or anybody else. And by the way, I expect that you are a pretty damn good automotive electrician, so could you come fix that damn spotlight for me??? I'll share my donuts with you if you do!

[ April 27, 2011, 07:38 AM: Message edited by: DEL GUE ]
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on April 27, 2011, 07:47 AM:
 
And you know what's really funny? I have a fairly strong anti-authoritarian streak in me. I became a cop late in life and tend to think of myself as a reluctant cop. Hell, I even used to have a 'Resist much. Obey little.' bumper sticker on my truck. But then I've read some Ed Abbey and Doug Peacock and Dick Marcinko, which didn't help any.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 27, 2011, 08:40 AM:
 
I always favored; "QUESTION AUTHORITY".

Because of the policies here, you sworn officers of the law get to see the unvarnished attitude of the average citizen. That's just the way it is, a lot of normal law abiding people don't like cops. And frankly, many believe that they are on a power trip.

You guys know this. That's why the cop culture is a closed society, us against them.

But Del, you bring up an excellent point. Those damned automotive electricians act like they are god! I have never seen such arrogance. And, they flash an ID and expect to get a discount on stuff just because they are such hot shit, walk on water and can fix anything. And, another thing, the prices! I can have bones set for less money than it costs to replace the switch in my friggin' spotlight! I don't get it?

GH/LB
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on April 27, 2011, 08:51 AM:
 
Del now you're on the right rack! Keep that stress bottled up inside of you and you're bound to explode.

Point is we all are human, we all have our stories and believe me, I charge 3 times as much as I'm worth. I hear it all the time. So do the plumbers, mechanics, doctors, lawyers, even the fry cooks at McDonalds...

49 is a good guy but don't tell him I said so, he just started off pushing the limits so to speak and I/we let him have it. He stood his ground, sized us up and decided we weren't that bad after all.

Now bring that spotlight over here and I'll take a look at it, then we'll go spotlight us some critters. Afterall we'll be in your car...
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on April 27, 2011, 08:54 AM:
 
Leonard,
The zone I used to work in had a fishing village in it. Back in the day, the 70's, it was notorious for drug smuggling. That's not such a problem anymore, but those commercial fishermen are an independent breed, and that can come out when a hurricane heads this way and they say they ain't evacuating. I understand that. When I worked that zone, I pretty much had an understanding with them. I would ride through occasionally, and they would wave, and I would wave, but we all understood - I wouldn't gratuitously fuck with them (chickenshit traffic stops, consensual encounters, etc), but if I had a call out there, I would come out there and take care of business. It was based on mutual respect.

My impression is that the folks on this board are pretty much the same, an independent lot that doesn't welcome unnecessary or unwanted intrusion into their lives. I think both 49 and myself are astute enough to discern that. And we know you guys are just venting, and that it's nothing personal. If we didn't like you guys and want to hang with y'all we would take it on down the road.

If I've hurt anybody's feelin's, I apologize.

[ April 27, 2011, 09:03 AM: Message edited by: DEL GUE ]
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on April 27, 2011, 09:01 AM:
 
Dammit! I knew I shoulda become a fireman! Everybody loves firemen, and they get to drive those big shiny red trucks (ain't that every little boys dream?!!). They don't have to scan the customers when they walk into a restaurant, or sit facing the door. They don't arrest anybody, and people don't try to shoot them. Besides, people say I look like a fireplug..I woulda been a natural!! (just keep the dogs away from me, ya know?)

They even have a 'hottie fireman calendar'...maybe I coulda been on it! Okay, so maybe that's a stretch (in more ways than one ). [Well, maybe I coulda made the 'big lovin'' fireman's calendar, if they ever come out with one...]
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on April 27, 2011, 09:22 AM:
 
Tom, you are right in that regard. I do have a nasty tendency to internalize, and I just told a co-worker yesterday when we were discussing life and death that I think mebbeso I might go to a stroke or a heart attack some day. I'm on blood pressure pills as it is. So you wanna go jacklighting outa my po-po car??? Hmmm. "Hey, sarge, I just found this critter over here that a)looks like it got hit by a car and needs to be euthanized, or b)is acting strangely and might be rabid...I better put it down. 10-04?" You guys tell cop stories...cops tell I.A. stories.

Leonard,
I don't think most people don't like cops, but I do think most people get scared during a traffic stop and everybody, and I mean everybody, hates getting a citation. I only write warnings, for a variety of reasons. The last traffic stop I made was a middle-aged lady who had her mother riding with her, and when I went back up to the car and she found out she was just getting a warning, she actually asked me if it would be ok if she kissed me...with her mom sitting right there!! When I stop someone, it's not because I think maybe possibly they coulda mighta committed a violation. If I stop them, it's because I got'em dead to rights. But my job is to educate them, to cause them to change their driving behavior so that everybody is safe and they obey the law, not write them some bigass ticket that is gonna keep them from paying the power bill or putting food on the table for their kids. Just stopping them generally has the desired effect, and then when I give them a warning instead of a ticket, not only are they educated, but they almost always leave happy. Everybody wins. They are more likely to re-elect my sheriff, I don't have to go to court on my day off, passing motorists become more careful...everybody wins. And that's the goal. Any other time I encounter people and I'm not on a call, they are almost always nice/friendly, and so am I. (And I don't think it's because they don't think I'm so funny-looking that I couldn't possibly really be a cop but just somebody who stayed at a Holiday Inn last nite.) By nature I'm a happy and playful kind of guy who likes to laugh and clown around, and as long as people will let me do that, I prefer to.

[ April 27, 2011, 09:43 AM: Message edited by: DEL GUE ]
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 27, 2011, 10:20 AM:
 
So tell me coppers (hope thats not politically incorrect) why are you so offended by someone calling you a pig? I'm serious here, is that like calling a black man a nigger or something?
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on April 27, 2011, 12:23 PM:
 
My old sergeant, who was from the outskirts of Chicago, used to refer to the police as 'coppers' all the time. He was very old school.

I can only speak for myself, JD. It doesn't bother me, any more than 'the fuzz', or anything else. I've been called names so long that I've come to think my first name is 'mother'.

Others come from different backgrounds and different experiences, and various terms may offend them.

It appears to bother 49, so in the interest of civility I would not use it. Whenever I hear that particular term used, I think of the 60's and hippies and the riots and sit-ins and so forth.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 27, 2011, 01:27 PM:
 

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Whenever I hear that particular term used, I think of the 60's and hippies and the riots and sit-ins and so forth.

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We do get sidetracked around here don't we...

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Just some of the issues pertinent to this thread:

dental photos, f-bombs, Vegas, Ralph Edwards, Treebark, timetables & puncuation, meth heads, mobsters, coppers, guilt by association, car races, assless chaps, Wyoming, ChiPs, sheep, Rodney Carrington....etc, etc...

Not seeing any sidetracking, Tom???
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on April 28, 2011, 07:23 AM:
 
[retracted]

And you forgot to mention Kipling, my literary tour de force...
(hey, do you suppose all those jerks who dissed ol' Tommy are Tommyknockers???!! or maybe Tommy has man-boobs and those are Tommyknockers?? )

[ April 28, 2011, 07:20 PM: Message edited by: DEL GUE ]
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 28, 2011, 07:56 AM:
 
What? LB was wearing assless chaps? I need to pay closer attention I guess.
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on April 28, 2011, 08:04 AM:
 
Hmmm. And here I thought assless chaps were Britishers without Booties...I guess I'm learnin more than just about coyotes on this board.

Sooo, if LB is wearing assless chaps (unquestionably a Kodak moment, if ever there was one), does that mean 'LB' really stands for 'Le Bare'???

[ April 28, 2011, 08:06 AM: Message edited by: DEL GUE ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 28, 2011, 09:52 AM:
 
In your dreams, JD.
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on April 28, 2011, 10:00 AM:
 
[retracted]

[ April 28, 2011, 07:21 PM: Message edited by: DEL GUE ]
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 28, 2011, 11:42 AM:
 
I seriously doubt if any of these emails are from cmiddleton, someone should go to pussmasters and ask around......I personally wouldn't waste another second on someone who sends anonymous emails. It's a troll, don't feed it.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 28, 2011, 11:43 AM:
 
Del Glue?

You know, a couple folks have spoken in his behalf, so I don't want to get into what makes him tick, but it looks like he has some issues that need to be addressed?

He ain't getting anywhere by threatening me. In a streak of righteousness, I almost wound up owning that Okie board, were I not such a softie. I can do the same with his half of Wyoming, if he doesn't shut up. Soon.

And, by the way quit hijacking the thread! Were we not discussing coppers and why nobody likes them?

GH/LB

edit: Okay thanks JD. Good idea. I'll go to PM. They have always been fair and balanced with me. BRB

[ April 28, 2011, 11:45 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on April 28, 2011, 12:01 PM:
 
[retracted]

[ April 28, 2011, 07:22 PM: Message edited by: DEL GUE ]
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on April 28, 2011, 12:13 PM:
 
Yo, Leonard.

I just tried sending an email back to him at MonsterMulies. Apparently they do offer an email service where you can open an email account with them. We'll see what happens.

I'm kinda curious if we are really dealing with Middleton or not.
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 28, 2011, 12:20 PM:
 
Guys, that's not cmiddleton making demands. I have dealt with him over at PM, and I have followed some of his other posts. That's not his style, nor his personality. cmiddleton isn't a trouble maker.

Leonard, I am not a military veteran.

[ April 28, 2011, 12:22 PM: Message edited by: 4949shooter ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 28, 2011, 12:52 PM:
 
Okay, we have several opinions that this is a troll, not cmiddleton, at all.

Do you think, by now, with eight pages in this thread, that somebody close to him should have made him aware of it, and he would be more than eager to straighten us out?

So, where is he then?

GH/LB
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 28, 2011, 01:47 PM:
 
Leonard,

I was contacted by someone close to middleton, and there is apparently more to the story. From what little I know, in conjunction with these latest out of character emails, I am certain the culprit is not cmiddleton himself.

For what it's worth, I don't want to see an innocent guy get blamed for something he didn't do.
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on April 28, 2011, 01:48 PM:
 
Perhaps as useful a question is why is somebody trying to stir shit up using Middleton's name over here? Sounds like he pissed somebody off and they are engaging in a little identity theft, of sorts.
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 28, 2011, 01:52 PM:
 
You sound like a cop Del.

You would have made a good detective.
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on April 28, 2011, 01:56 PM:
 
49,

Agreed. If Middleton wasn't making the posts or sending the emails, then we owe the real Middleton an apology, and it would be nice to find out who the real culprit is.

If you or the others are saying that it ain't Middleton, then I'll take y'alls word for it.

People up to lieutenants have tried to get me to go up to C.I.D. and become a detective, but I wouldn't like coming in to a desk full of cases. Besides, I may be an old dog, but I still like to rock and roll on a hot call.

[ April 28, 2011, 01:58 PM: Message edited by: DEL GUE ]
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 28, 2011, 02:02 PM:
 
I can see you in a shirt and tie, with shoulder holster, smoking a cigar and saying out of the corner of your mouth, "C'mere kid. Let me show you how it's done in CID."
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 28, 2011, 02:23 PM:
 
Oh Brother!

Fortunate for everybody, Glue likes the hot action. I bet he volunteers to works the late shift because that's where it's at.

Mysterious Man 49. MORE TO THE STORY? I don't see how? He either wrote the emails or he didn't.

If so, Glue owes him an apology.

GH/LB
(just kidding) But, you know; this is how an innocent man get's cuffed and stuffed!
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 28, 2011, 02:50 PM:
 
Don't say nothin LB, it's a trick, you know how these coppers are.

My guess is that it's that one guy.....t-bags cousin or whoever the hell he is, you know....BJer.

Or it could be a disgruntled CHP that stumbled across LBs foul mouthed posts concerning them. Just sayin'
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 28, 2011, 02:51 PM:
 
Sorry Leonard. In the cop world, there is always more to the story.

Anyhow, from what I am told, it wasn't middleton who wrote the emails. But, me being me, I like a little more justification when I say something and sign my name to it. When I saw those emails that don't sound like cmiddleton, the man, the myth, the legend, it confirmed it in my mind.
 

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Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on April 28, 2011, 03:31 PM:
 
i agree 49. does'nt sound like Casey at all. if i remember right, he's not a trouble maker and can spell well. i think he may even be quite religious??. these emails don't seem to be from him
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 28, 2011, 03:33 PM:
 
So JD, are you thinking what I'm thinking? Good cop, bad cop?

49 is taking responsibility and vouching for cmiddleton. I sure hope he's right?

GH/LB
 

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on April 28, 2011, 03:41 PM:
 
I, for one, think it is CMiddleton. I have e-mailed him and recieved e-mail from him and I seem to remember the monster muleys address. I think he posts on PM that he's the worst speller on the net and if I remember correctly, he is. And I personally don't give a shit if he's religious or not. I saw him pull the same crybaby shit at Predator Masters with me and the moderators there. If he thinks he's been wronged he will bitch and whine till he gets his way, or at least thinks he does. Stick to your guns Leonard.

[ April 28, 2011, 03:42 PM: Message edited by: 3 Toes ]
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 28, 2011, 04:15 PM:
 
OK, which do you all prefer???



or



I'm partial to the natural leather, but what say you???
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 28, 2011, 04:20 PM:
 

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So JD, are you thinking what I'm thinking? Good cop, bad cop?

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Exactly!! You know how they are, one minute they're your buddy and the next they're beating you with a sock full of padlocks or a rubber hose or whatever it is that they use to beat innocent citizens with nowadays. This whole thing was perpetrated by 49 and Sgt. Glue, I mean really are we supposed to think those are their real names, sheesh, we're not that stupid guys, I mean who's gonna name their kid 49, right.

See what I mean, see 49 in the wife beater next to you in that picture leonard? He's undercover, he's always watching and waiting to attack an innocent citizen or maybe he's just on vacation.....i dunno but I'd keep an eye on the both of em.

and put some shorts on for krist sake!!

[ April 28, 2011, 04:24 PM: Message edited by: JD ]
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 28, 2011, 04:33 PM:
 
JD that guy is too handsome to be me.

Edit: Cal Taylor, middleton might be a whiner and a crybaby and he might not. Either way I don't care. But those latest emails to Leonard don't sound like a whiner trying to get his way. They sound more like a type "A" personality trying to cause trouble.

You are entitled to your opinion and that's fair enough. Though I don't know what Leonard has to stick to his guns about? As far as I am aware he hasn't taken a position. Yet.

[ April 28, 2011, 04:44 PM: Message edited by: 4949shooter ]
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 28, 2011, 05:13 PM:
 
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but...........
We've got eight pages going because `somebody` can't seem to figure out how to register correctly????? ............WTF...........??? My computer skills are somewhat lacking, but even I was able to git 'er done back when I had WebTV. It's NOT THAT FRICKEN' COMPLICATED........and when I did have a problem, that 'contact us' feature got a prompt response from The El Bee his-self; or at least someone on his vast network of support staff. It's really simple; register.......post. Then we can respond TO you, not just ABOUT you. Sheeeese

Note; If the above seems a little pissy, I had hernia surgery this morning and I AM still a little pissy. Time to go wash some pain meds down with Vick's Nyquill.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 28, 2011, 05:36 PM:
 
And another thing..............
Since Leonard seems to be a shit magnet lately for some reason, I would like to take a quick moment, without getting all sappy, to thank him for this board. I've met some great people here and have even been able to shake hands with a few of them. Thank you, El Bee.

That Nyquill, diluted with vodka & served on the rocks washes the Percocet down nicely. I'm off to my happy place.
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on April 28, 2011, 05:45 PM:
 
Ok, I confess. Glue was kind of a take off on 'the fuzz', you know, it sticks to you. Not sure if I'm the bad cop or good cop. I usually get stuck being the 'bad cop', mostly because I look the part and can act the part and my coworkers enjoy watching me drop into the mode. It ain't fair, but nobody ever promised me life was gonna be fair.

Or, this whole Middleton thing could have been a throw-down distractor perpetrated by Tim to preoccupy the bullies while he quietly made his return.

Anyway, as for bro Middleton...the truth about him is about as elusive as d.b. cooper or the yeti. If this was a big deal to me or I was heavily invested in it, I'd run it down a la Fox Mulder until I found The Truth, because, like Fox always said, it's out there. But it ain't a big deal to me, and I'm rapidly starting to not give a shit, so I'm over it already.

Middleton, I apologize. Whoever sent me that email, Fuck You. There. I think that nicely covers all the bases...

[ April 28, 2011, 05:48 PM: Message edited by: DEL GUE ]
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 28, 2011, 06:42 PM:
 
Enote,

If we know each other why didn't you tell me who you are? I don't see the harm in it..

At any rate, I appreciate you providing some more to the story. I am not defending cmiddleton's honor, as I have said I don't want to see a guy get blamed for something he may not have done (sending emails).
Although I know there is even more to the story, I am still unconvinced as to who is sending Leonard the emails. The burden of proof rests with the prosecution, as they say.
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 28, 2011, 06:52 PM:
 
Wait a minute....Fred just posted a picture of a smokin hot babe with her ass hangin out and a pic of LB with a big hole in his knickers and all you guys can comment about is cmiddleton?

FWIW Fred, I got a kick out of the pic of LB and the other one aint too shabby to stare at for a while or a couple hours, whichever comes first.
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on April 28, 2011, 06:55 PM:
 
I just talked to Casey...

He has never been to HM nor ever tried to register here. Hopefully he will! I was talking to him on his cellphone and lost him as he headed through a canyon so I'll know more a little later.

Just talked some more and then lost signal... "4100FPS" is possibly the trouble maker(unless his email has been hijacked, too)!!! He also suspects a "Lonehowl" but I doubt if it's Mark from NPHA. Casey got 4100FPS banned at PM after a squabble over night hunting BLM land and some threatening emails and posts at PM(deleted by Mods, of course). These guys took over the hunt that Casey had started in Wy.

Like Nick has said, Casey is a good guy and doesn't like the fighting anywhere... he is a stand up guy and won't take shit but he doesn't start shit.

By the way, the Monstermulie address is Casey's, he just changed his password so maybe it will stop now.

Nikonut
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on April 28, 2011, 07:00 PM:
 
JD makes a good point. But apparently there is something wrong with my computer, because the only pic I even saw was of a young lady who maybe coulda used a little more on top but does have a bangin' booty that her sartorial splendor accentuates exquisitely! On top of which she kind of has that sultry, pouty look goin' on. Yummy!
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 28, 2011, 07:09 PM:
 
IN YOUR DREAMS, JASON!
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 28, 2011, 07:16 PM:
 
I just checked the registrations awaiting approval. There were two, a Chap from Nigeria and a Buckaroo from NE Wyoming.

GH/LB

edit: Glue, there is something wrong with your computer. There is also a pic of a faggot wearing "pink" chaps and a jockstrap. It is that photo that has JD swooning. Jason, get a grip, man!

[ April 28, 2011, 07:20 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 28, 2011, 07:20 PM:
 
Oh I'm havin dreams LB

btw that bastard from Nigeria still owes me $250,000.00

Or was it a pile of gold coins.....I'll have to find the email......I'm sure he's just been busy lately.

[ April 28, 2011, 07:23 PM: Message edited by: JD ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 28, 2011, 07:28 PM:
 
By the way, JD. I have been real busy checking EVERYBODY out. (thanks Del!)

One thing I noticed is that JD registered in 2005 and "claimed" his occupation was....wait for this; A CONTRACTOR!

Now, we have been told that he is, in fact, an AUTOMOTIVE ELECTRICIAN!

Sum Ting Wong!

You got some splainin' to do, Amigo!

GH/LB
 

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on April 28, 2011, 07:32 PM:
 
Defend him if you wish Nikonut, I'm not going any farther with it, but your position and mine differ. He also basically helped to get me banned at P.M. over an issue that he was flat out lying about. I don't know the story about the Wyoming hunt and don't care, but I do know a few of the other guys involved are good guys and I think there is more to the story than just Middletons side. But once again he threw a crybaby shit fit to the moderators and got someone else banned. He shouldn't register here if he hasn't. He wouldn't last 10 minutes.
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on April 28, 2011, 07:34 PM:
 
For what it's worth, the heymama had a t-back on under her chaps, which she could have dispensed with without offending me in the least.

Ok, ref Middleton. I sent a followup email to the email addy I got the one from, and explained things and apologized if he wasn't responsible for sending it. I didn't want a smartass reply waiting in his box for something he didn't perpetrate. Since there appears to be reasonable doubt at this time that he is in fact the perpetrator of the offending emails and misbehavior, and is being vouched for by some folks on here who have currency with me, I have retracted any offending or derogatory comments I have posted about him. I would rather apologize and retract if I have falsely condemned the innocent than to let such deeds and comments live on for posterity. If, on the other hand, for whatever reason it actually turns out that it was him, then there is always opportunity in the future to deal with that. That's about as fair as I can be.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 28, 2011, 07:45 PM:
 
I am getting all knowed up, via email. There does seem to be a creditable account that cmiddleton was asked to not attend their little party and he is in a snit over it.

Niko, I am listening to what you say, not making any judgements without a little more input.

But, I believe what Cal says, I know he's right. That shit was a long time ago, but what he says, is how it happened. There were others banned at the same time, like Vic and Higgins.

*MEMO TO SELF: Don't ever cross 3toes, he carries a grudge longer than Kelly's ex wife!

GH/LB

edit: all fine, Glue, just don't go editing past comments. I HATE THAT!

[ April 28, 2011, 07:48 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on April 28, 2011, 07:47 PM:
 
Lol. Leonard, I don't even remember what I told you I was, or if I did. Sometimes, on line or in person, not everybody likes the po-po, or it is simply more convenient or easy for me to fly under the radar, so sometimes I simply tell people, if I get asked, that I 'work for the county', or that I'm a 'crisis resolution specialist', or work in 'the complaint department', or that I'm 'a garbageman...I take the trash out'. Besides, I get tired of the job and talking about the job and when I'm off I wanna relax and talk about other shit. Sometimes we have to 'go undercover' when we're off to get a break from the fuckin job, ya know? So if I told you I was a man-whore servicing panthers,
you can probably disregard it at this point.

Ok, I gotta roll out at 0430, so I'm gonna have to bid you lads bonne nuit.

[ April 28, 2011, 07:52 PM: Message edited by: DEL GUE ]
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on April 28, 2011, 07:59 PM:
 
And I don't blame 3 Toes. If somebody wronged him, then he has a right to have a case of the ass.

For reasons I shall not go into, right now I'm not too fond of Italian ex-Air Force security police or guys named 'Mike'. Sitting here right now I can think of at least 5 guys named 'Mike' who rocketed onto my shitlist. Don't get me wrong - I'm sure there are good 'Mikes' in this world, but I sure as hell ain't been runnin' into them. Life's a bitch.
 

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on April 28, 2011, 07:59 PM:
 
No grudge here LB. The guy is his own worst enemy, he doesn't need me for one. I stayed out of this thread for a long time and wasn't going to comment, but when some of the guys that possibly don't know his history started defending him, I had to put in my 2 cents.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 28, 2011, 08:00 PM:
 
Now, TWO recent WY registrations! I can't remember the last time we had two members from Wyoming, on the same day!

Maybe we will learn something? Or, more gasoline on the fire.

GH/LB
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 28, 2011, 08:11 PM:
 
Who told you I was an automotive lectrishin, That's funny, I think you're just flustered ever since Fred caught you on camera wearing your naughty knickers. I am a contractor or a babysitter, I cant tell somedays.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 28, 2011, 08:15 PM:
 
Wait, wait, your other name is Tom64, right? He looks like you?

So, I can't tell you Okies apart. Now, don't even try denying it.

edit: there may be a bug in the program? For some reason, your location has been changed to NE? I can fix it, though.

GH/LB

[ April 28, 2011, 08:20 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 28, 2011, 08:20 PM:
 
No no, thats 49s buddy....this is so confusing, maybe I'm cmiddleton....i dunno ...let me check my emails
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 28, 2011, 08:24 PM:
 
NOW....WE ARE GETTING SOMEWHERE! It's been you, all along. Good thing you admitted it, I was very close to discovering it myself.

I might have to give you a time out. What do you say, people?

GH/LB
 

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Posted by WyoColoDogger (Member # 3822) on April 28, 2011, 08:26 PM:
 
Dear Administrator (Leonard?)

Greetings and thank you for accepting my registration. I have been following this saga here and since I have first hand information about the Predatormasters situation with Mr. Middleton it is probably time things get straightened out here. Maybe this actually is second hand information as I wasn't involved but trust the sources that have filled me in with the details, a fellow who was there.

I am not a Predatormasters member but do lurk most of the sites. I am friends with some of the Wyoming get together guys and was invited up to join them last February but mandatory overtime at work prohibited the trip plus the guy I was going to meet up with had to have an emergency operation

From what I have heard and read, this was a great bunch of guys that worked hard to put on a classy event. I better back up, 1 guy was a total jerk on both the event thread on Predatormasters and in person. Solid proof is for any and all of you to actually view that thread on Predatormasters, located under the Current EVENTS forum

C. Middleton bitched and moaned and ridiculed about everything. He also made big claims that he could get the people on a bunch of private land but at hunt time, no private land was to be had. A few phone calls later confirmed that he actually doesn't have access and is not a welcome person on many of the ranches. Cal taylor, you have heard some of this crap out of C. Middlton before, no?

It sounded like a lot of public land was available but C. Middleton tried to make people believe that the state and blm land is actually under control of the ranchers and that they told him to keep the Wyoming hunt folks from accessing it. Sounds like that strategy was an epic fail from what I heard as the majority of the people said fuck you and went on their way

I aslo heard that he dumped some uninvited guy off for other folks to take hunting and even provide a hotel room. The guy wasnt good enough to hunt with C. Middleton and his partner I guess.

After this hunt he was sending personal messages promising to get the hunt shut down and members banned. Part of his strategy was to start garbage on the thread to get it locked, he did succeed in that one. Organizers of this hunt tried to negotiate a solution with Predatormasters Moderators but the end result was that they were told that there would be no more Wyoming hunts allowed on Predatormasters and any mention or advertising of any future event would result in members banned.

Needless to say, very hard feelings towards C. Middleton and extremely hard feelings towards Predatormasters allowing him to cry and whine and succeed in getting the deal fucked up for everyone. If you want to get a good idea about what kind of guy C. Middleton is, listen to Cal Taylor and research past posts from C. Middleton. Sounds like this ordeal probably showed the asses at Predatormasters as much as the antics of C. Middleton. Wonder why C. Middleton was asked not to return? I wonder how many people have been banned while doing battle with this freak

Once again Cal Taylor hit the nail spot on about C. Middleton. Sounds like he is to damn stupid to figure out how to register and sign up here but from the copies of some of the garbage being circulated out there, the writing is definately that of the "nets worst spellar"

A resilent bunch, those Wyoming guys. Last I heard they still will have a hunt but invite only. Sounds like both C. Middleton and some of the Predatormasters staff might receive an invitation because a few of the dudes would love the opportunity for a mano-mano discussion. We all know none of those dicklickers would show, ha ha,. Its a well known fact that Predatormasters Mod's are the sad sacks of the industry and pretty gutless Keyboard commandos but I know you fellas have been through that before. I never joined there but could easily determine that from lurking the last couple of years.

sad when you think about it, one rotten egg fucked up the whole basket.

danke schoen and good hunting at 'cha

[ April 28, 2011, 08:54 PM: Message edited by: WyoColoDogger ]
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on April 28, 2011, 08:39 PM:
 
WTH ElBee???

You sure you ain't been drinking? I'm pretty sure I haven't been.

Anyway, I remember the deal with cmiddleton and Cal, good lord this could get interesting.

Del Glue, 04:30 huh? Tell the truth, you're gonna watch the royal wedding ain't ya.

[ April 28, 2011, 08:44 PM: Message edited by: TOM64 ]
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on April 28, 2011, 08:54 PM:
 
Quote.
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Note; If the above seems a little pissy, I had hernia surgery this morning and I AM still a little pissy. Time to go wash some pain meds down with Vick's Nyquill
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This post will sound wierd, Koko, I know the doctor told ya to take LAXATIVES, trust me take 'em !! I went thru that six years ago..

Being stubborn I didn't take his advice, wish I would have though
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 28, 2011, 09:17 PM:
 
Tom and Jason, I'm just making sure you two are paying attention. Good job, now what are we going to do about this situation? You are both moderator material, if you lay off the juice, and I hope you do.

Back to administrative duties, if you please.

Welcome to The New HuntmastersBBS.com, WyoColoDogger. Glad to have you on board. Are we to believe that you and cmiddleton are neighbors? No, probably not? Do you know somebody named Williams? How do you manage to live in two states? Or do you sleep in one and work in another? Just curious.

If this don't smoke him out, nothing will. I bet I get really intimidating emails tomorrow.

GH/LB
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 28, 2011, 09:37 PM:
 
This whole mess is t-bags fault.
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on April 28, 2011, 09:43 PM:
 
ElBee, I've been a mod on the OPHA since shortly after it began. I still haven't gotten to ban anyone.

I was a mod here for a short time but couldn't figure out how to get in my own forum.

This moderating crap is for the birds, I'm gonna just let the chips fall where they may. This could get good!

Hows that for moderating?
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 28, 2011, 10:34 PM:
 
OMG! Is that you Jason? If you can't get into your own damned forum, that's why we all think you should lay off the juice, until the weekend.

I suggest you get to bed and sleep it off.

I never banned anybody either. I don't think? Maybe once?

GH/LB
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on April 29, 2011, 03:05 AM:
 
Well...

Good morning!

"WyoColoDogger", you sure have a lot to say about something that you weren't involved in... how is it that you know all of those details? Defending friends is one thing but you had better be ready to back it up with facts, not heresay.

I haven't read the WY Hunt post at PM but will try later. I'm banned there so I know I can't search anything.

I very much remember the troubles between 3Toes and CMiddleton at PM. From my perspective, and please don't take this wrong, both were wrong to some degree. Anytime a ADC guy has someone mess up their work I can definitely understand their frustration, I just don't think it should have gone into a pissing match on an open forum... should have been between those two only. By the way, I do remember reading all the stuff in the backroom at PM about that incident and it was attitude not CMiddleton that got people banned. I also don't think Cal or Rich should have been banned... maybe given a time out but not banned. I've probably said worse things on this board than they ever did on PM!

I was somewhat idealistic about PM back then and I'm sorry that situation ended the way it did, I have a good deal of respect for Cal and what he does and is capable of doing in the field! I wish I had 1/10th of his knowledge of coyotes and calling, I say that with great respect.

I know I'd enjoy meeting you someday, Cal.

Nikonut
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 29, 2011, 03:07 AM:
 
Okay so we know that cmiddleton had a falling out with some other hunters, some on this board and some not. Like was suggested earlier, I still believe that someone assumed cmiddleton's "internet identity" and posted those emails to Leonard. As stated, those emails are not his style. Middleton should be blamed for what did as per the history described here, but not for what he didn't do.

And history aside, I do agree with Cal Taylor on one point, that middleton would not have lasted here. I had even mentioned this to Leonard early on during this thread in an email.

That having been said, I don't have a dog in this fight. Middleton never did anything to me and I personally have nothing against him. Nor do I have anything against the people he apparently scuffled with.

I am done with this thread, unless someone makes a direct or indirect reference to me again.

Edit: Enote,I just saw your second email. Okay, now I am done with this thread.

[ April 29, 2011, 03:24 AM: Message edited by: 4949shooter ]
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 29, 2011, 03:49 AM:
 
Dave;
Been there, done that, got the t-shirt & didn't really want to go there again back in '94 when I had one on the other side. Just lucky that way, I guess. Got the Doc-Q-Lace sitting right next to the Percocet.
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on April 29, 2011, 05:09 AM:
 
I just spent over an hour reading the post at PM for the Wy hunt... 21 pages,wow! Seems some of it must have been deleted because all I saw was Casey asking to please respect the ranchers... I hunt here and don't want my hunting privileges screwed up. He also made suggestions to make the hunting better. Seems some guys blew a gasket!

There was a partial post about getting the mods to lock the thread... that didn't seem good on Casey's part. I'd like to see the emails he got.

I wonder if the harassing emails Casey said he got were from hunt attendees? Seemed everyone had a good time... I don't get it?

Nikonut
 

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Posted by WyoColoDogger (Member # 3822) on April 29, 2011, 05:55 AM:
 
Leonard I live in Craig Colorado, hunt both states. I am currently on a short stint in KC. Dont know any Williams offhand, but that's common name.
Nikonut, I am pretty secure with my source of information. I'd rather have 2nd info then have BS come directly from the mouth of the likes of C. Middleton. We must of read a different Wyoming hunt thread at Predatormasters. The one I see has a lot of whining and complaining from your pet C. Middleton. Moot point nobody wants your buddy around

I have seen your name Nikonut on most of the boards. What I'm going to tell you next is something that I think a lot of the forums guys would like to say to you: FUCK OFF
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 29, 2011, 06:31 AM:
 
THE BASTARD THAT INVENTED ANONYMOUS EMAIL ACCOUNTS SHOULD HAVE HIS ASS KICKED. THE PEOPLE THAT USE SUCH ACCOUNTS ARE LIMP DICK ASSHOLES.

Now, if cmiddleton is innocent of all charges, I think he owes us an explanation, rather than appointing niko as spokesperson. That just doesn't cut it. I'm not saying that I don't appreciate what niko has to say, but it's not the same.

Mr WyoColoDogger uses blunt language, and I also appreciate what he has to say. If he doesn't want to divulge his source, maybe he can email it to me and I will work the back channels a bit, as to verify what he says.

As far as Nikonut goes, as a member here, he has done nothing to tarnish his reputation. I have not been back to PM in damned near ten years, so I don't know any history, As he is a refuge, much like me, I know things can happen that splatters shit on everybody. He is a member in good standing on HM, just slightly ahead of bad boys Tom and JD.

(just kidding, Tom. Don't get excited)
Question: Why is it we have to handle these Prima Donna Automotive Electricians with kid gloves?

GH/LB
(PS JD gets it, for the most part)
 

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Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on April 29, 2011, 07:46 AM:
 
Heck Lb, cmiddleton doesn't need to join here. He has niko as his nanny. From what I remember over at pm, that is middletons m.o.
 

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on April 29, 2011, 07:48 AM:
 
Niko and 49,I'm in agreement with both of you that we all have gotten along well here and I would be happy to hunt with either of you any time. No hard feeling towards either of you in your defense of cmidd. One other note though, there was more to the story than what was publicly posted on PM and I'll leave it at that for the time being. If this isn't him sending e-mails to Leonard, I won't throw him under the bus.... yet.
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 29, 2011, 08:24 AM:
 
WYO,

Craig, huh? Have a brother in law and sister in law up there I bet you know. Todd and Kathy Hildebrandt? Dropping that F-bomb tells me you don't hang with them on a regular basis. LOL
 

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Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on April 29, 2011, 08:29 AM:
 
Lance, I used to rope with a Hildebrandt from Ks.
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on April 29, 2011, 08:49 AM:
 
Koko, I hear ya, I'm weak on the other side and just waiting for it to pop some day. I asked the doctor to just patch it while I was under the knife but he wouldn't ? Getting on the mend sucks !! hang in there !!

As far as the topic @ hand, unless I missed something which is possible in a 10 page thread..Lol..Why doesnt Middleton just sign up and defend himself ? If he uses a real e-mail Leonard will let him in, right ?

Maybe I'm missing something though ?
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 29, 2011, 09:02 AM:
 
Leonard;
I understand that about the only `rule` around here is (1) 'Don't piss the big guy off'. Your house, your rule. No problem.

However..............Might I respectfully suggest adding (2) Wipe your feet and leave your baggage at the door when coming here from another board.

It seems that there are people here that have issues on other boards, but rarely mention it here. Then there are those who show up on the doorstep with a shit stirring paddle balenced on the chip on their shoulders.

Hey, here's a thought; Maybe all of these disgruntled, banned members from other boards could pitch in an buy Dan's old Monster site. I know that he's loaded but times are tight and he might be willing to cut somebody a deal.

10 pages........Krikey!!!!!
Ok, time to go. Pain meds kicking in.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 29, 2011, 09:22 AM:
 
koko, I always thought that you preferred that ever clear stuff that you learned to make in prison?

Your suggestion is a good one, however, I am fond of the present TOS, which is basically, there are no rules, and as I don't piss off easily, this is actually ANARCHY CENTRAL. Sure we have a few problems now and then with the twins, but I put them on ignore.

GH/LB
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 29, 2011, 10:01 AM:
 
Thanks Cal, I would hunt with you as well. Nikon too..

And I wasn't aware of the deep rooted history surrounding the events on this thread.

To my pen pal enote...I think I may have figured out who you are...helicopter gunner/Vietnam? It's a stab in the dark, but my LE sixth sense is tingling. Either way I appreciate your respectful manner in corresponding with me.
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 29, 2011, 10:09 AM:
 
Cross,

Lisa was raised in Laurel, Montana, and moved to Craig, CO, her senior year of high school. Her dad was from around Lincoln/ Lucas, Kansas, and my MIL is from Hill City/ Hoxie, KS. I don't know any others of her family here in KS. Somewhere down the line, I suppose they're related. That "d" is a dead giveaway most times.
 

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Posted by WyoColoDogger (Member # 3822) on April 29, 2011, 11:08 AM:
 
Lunch time thought I would check out the latest gab here. cDog, I don't know the people that you are talking about. I came to Craig via Rifle Colorado and before that Rock Springs. Why would they object to my f-bomb language? :>P

I like the line about about Niko being the nanny for C. Middleton, sweet and probably oh so true. Nikonut, I very much doubt that the stink you obtained while being a backroom toughguy at predmasters has washed off yet, if it ever will but at least you can say that now youre a nanny or are you Middltons bitch?. but there is one serious question that should be asked of you, when you were running all those call benefit auctions for C. middltons supposed sick daughter 3 years ago, did you audit the proceeds to see where the money went? I in no way am suggesting anything other curious to know where the acctual cash got spent. You have receipts, right? If its all legit then I hope she's ok.

Maybe a time for a call out to the present predMasters shithouse bosses. We know that you dumbfucks monitor all competing predator boards so come on in join the conversation. You cant ban me becuase I aint under your authority, amigos! I think my most favorite is the clown aka NM Leon. I've never seen such a google-wise idiot then this guy but dayum can this superfreak google up the facts! Pure MENSA material but obviously unemployed and glued to his moms computer all day and night. Chairman of of the board at predatormasters.........you cant make this shit up

Leonard regardless if your members here agree or disgree on issues, thanks for allowing maybe the only open place on the internet where predatorhunters can speak without fear of any worthless p.o.s. in wait at a keyboard with a tremblin hand on the ban button. These motherFucks will sit at a computer all day looking for that one opportunity to get there jollies ya know.

btw, which one of the fab four was known as Robo Cop on the old Monster board?

[ April 29, 2011, 11:39 AM: Message edited by: WyoColoDogger ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 29, 2011, 11:30 AM:
 
Yes, thanks for the compliment, appreciate it.

While you fellers are kissing up to hunt with 3toes, that will be after me, okay?

Niko has been reborn, seen the light. Everybody deserves a second chance, look at Tim. And, the twins.

GH/LB

edit: PS, I don't like some of the things that are going on, 49 has a pipeline to somebody, Del is chit chatting with somebody and the rest of us don't have a clue? I really wonder who the hell takes the time to fill somebody in with his special version of truth? Is anybody else getting fan mail?

[ April 29, 2011, 11:36 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 29, 2011, 12:00 PM:
 
Leonard, I will email you if you like. I didn't think it was meant for the open forum, so I kept it off. There are no secrets here. Of course, if I am asked not to betray a trust then I would not do so.

I didn't mean to offend.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 29, 2011, 12:03 PM:
 
No, not offended, I just am making the observation that there are forces at work and we can't be sure of their motives.

Full disclosure. I got an enote this morning, as well. I'm pondering it, even now. (edit) this one identifies himself as a two year Lurker on HM, and apologized for irritating me with an anonymous message.

GH/LB

[ April 29, 2011, 12:05 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on April 29, 2011, 03:05 PM:
 
Wyo-Colo, Robo Cop, was Jeff Mock..

(Edit) Wanted to add, Niko is a good guy, if he has a fault he's too nice I believe he has washed himself of the PM stink as you call it.

[ April 29, 2011, 03:26 PM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 29, 2011, 03:59 PM:
 
"Lunch time thought I would check out the latest gab here. cDog, I don't know the people that you are talking about. I came to Craig via Rifle Colorado and before that Rock Springs. Why would they object to my f-bomb language? :>P"

The last (and only) time we were there we went down around Rifle and Meeker to a lodge for prime rib. Most uncomfortable 45 minute ride going back to Craig I've ever suffered. Pretty much the reason I say that if you did, in fact know them, you wouldn't ask me the rest. Fact is, being a user of the F'bomb, I'm guessing you'd get along much better with me and mine than them and theirs. LOL Let's just say that we don't go to (the right) church and we don't think Amway is God's gift to the righteous, if'n you know what I mean. They're both teachers at your school there in Craig.

[ April 29, 2011, 04:01 PM: Message edited by: Cdog911 ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 29, 2011, 04:41 PM:
 
And, as sure as night follows day, "They are on a mission from God" as The Blues Brothers might say.

No question about it, these days, teachers don't want the kids to seek out the answers for themselves, they shamelessly indoctrinate those youngsters, be it GLOBAL WARMING, Gun control, Planned parenthood, Liberal politics or all of the above. In this case they might stress Creationism rather than Darwin.

Whatever, it is open season on young impressionable minds, and teachers need to be closely watched.

GH/LB
 

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Posted by WyoColoDogger (Member # 3822) on April 29, 2011, 05:02 PM:
 
Dave Allen, perhaps I was a little hard on the NikoNut. While I don't agree with his C. Middleton alliance maybe it is time to let his former affiliation with Pred.masters go. Come to think of it I would not doubt that most of the turmoil between us hunters has been caused by the mod squad at PM........ get us to fight amongst ourselves while those bastards divide and conquer. <<< think about this, I will bet a thousand bucks that there has been more strife and in-fighting caused by PM staff in the past 5 years then 50 years of organized predator hunting. Sad part is, these bastards are dayum proud of it. They weren't clever enough to hatch this scheme on their own but by some accident it all came together. Congrats to the backroom instigators but remember this............your names have been etched in stone on the predator hunting wall o' shame. ya still smirkin there rockinbar?

I also see where Niko is listed as a patriot guard so that it well enough reason to give him a break. Not saying we won't have disagreements but thanks for your service. That said I'm still looking for your audit results regarding the Middleton benefit auctions

cDog, I haven't been in Craig long enough to know everybody.

C. Middleton you are not off the hook. I made a few phone calls today, you severely pissed off some folks and I hear it ain't over

Robo Cop = Jeff Mock, Pres. of Pred.masters. this is the guy who whacks it off while sitting on the toilet rim taking a #2 ? I remember reading that on the Monsters board. Stay classy there Mock

[ April 29, 2011, 05:34 PM: Message edited by: WyoColoDogger ]
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 29, 2011, 05:28 PM:
 
"Just talked some more and then lost signal... "4100FPS" is possibly the trouble maker(unless his email has been hijacked, too)!!! He also suspects a "Lonehowl" but I doubt if it's Mark from NPHA. "

Jesus F'n ChrisT....NO,IT WAS NOT ME. I do not know Middleton or a 4100fps. As far as I know though, I am the only Lonehowl around.

I am however registered at Monstermuleys.com,(where the e-mail supposedly came from) just recently, and the e-note I posted about earlier in the thread said it was from there, and said something about 4100fps.

Whoever is doing this shit, leave me the fuck out of it.

Mark

EDIT: Heres the email:
From:cmiddleton@monstermuleys.com

"you an 4100fps are responsable for getting me unvited from the wyoming hunt pm bigwigs are coming for you they already band 4100 ck and wyyote are assholes without me they aint got no place to hunt dawghunter DH is anothter buddie of yours ha haha redfrog locked there wyoming thread i am waiting for leonard to acept my registration yippee"

[ April 29, 2011, 05:34 PM: Message edited by: Lone Howl ]
 

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Posted by WyoColoDogger (Member # 3822) on April 29, 2011, 05:39 PM:
 
"you an 4100fps are responsable for getting me unvited from the wyoming hunt pm bigwigs are coming for you they already band 4100 ck and wyyote are assholes without me they aint got no place to hunt dawghunter DH is anothter buddie of yours ha haha redfrog locked there wyoming thread i am waiting for leonard to acept my registration yippee"
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WOW......C. Middleton's writing style right to the T. I have copies of actual Pred.Masters personal messages sent by Middleton to other Wyoming hunt members with almost the exact same dialogue.

Mr. Middleton, better grab ahold of something and hang on pardner

[ April 29, 2011, 05:41 PM: Message edited by: WyoColoDogger ]
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 29, 2011, 06:30 PM:
 
This guy would have to be a total dipshit to wander in to this slaughter.......hope he hurries up.

btw wyocolodogger, I appreciate your use of colorful language, sometimes a person just needs a little something extra to get his fucking point across. However, I do think Niko is a good apple.

I have never understood this behind the scenes whispering bullshit...If Cmiddleton has anything worth saying he would certainly post up wouldn't he?

LB, sometimes I have no idea what your talking about, I think those annonymous emails have you all messed up in the head.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 29, 2011, 09:09 PM:
 
Only sometimes?

GH/LB

edit: BTW, he is lying. He has not successfully completed an application, thus far.

[ April 29, 2011, 09:11 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on April 29, 2011, 09:21 PM:
 
OK, Thanks for those of you who give me the benefit of doubt...

I don't look for Casey to try signing up here anytime soon. I also don't know who is using his email but I can tell you it's not Casey!!! I may be a little naive at times but I know it's not him.

Mark(Lonehowl), you wouldn't slink around behind a false name or address... that is why I posted what I did so everyone would know it wasn't YOU!!! You have always been a straight shooter, of that I'm certain, too.

Dave Allen, thanks buddy, hope you're feeling better!

As for WyoColoDogger, I am what I am... I got banned at PM for calling Redfrog out in the mods room, I've never been a bully but I won't back down from a fight. I'm no one's nanny or bitch and I try to tell it as I see it. We all get our information from different sources and I have lots of sources. Unlike some I also try not to post blame on someone or pass false info... I evaluate what I'm told before I speak. You also have a familiar writing style and know way too much to be a virgin on these boards, so what's your other user name? Or are you going to tell us that's nonya business?
I also agree that PM has caused more trouble in the predator hunting community than almost anything else! We should be fighting the anti's and gun control freaks, not each other. You made a very good point!

Cal, if I had the cash I'd be out there having you show me around the speed goat roundup and chasing some coyotes! I also know there has to be more than was ever posted at PM between you and Casey... I don't need the details to know you had your reasons. You didn't get where you are in the hunting world by reading about hunting on the internet. Thank you for doing the "Wounded Warrior" hunts! That's the kind of thing we should be doing rather than fighting amongst ourselves!!!

Nick, if you ever catch a ride with Knockemdown you need to stop by sometime! I live right next door to the police station here!!!

Nikonut
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 29, 2011, 10:57 PM:
 
There is another Wyoming resident and actual attendee who is willing to discuss events. He sent me a polite email, even used his real name and address and phone number. How refreshing, indeed!

I might give him a call tomorrow.

GH/LB
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on April 29, 2011, 10:58 PM:
 
Niko, Tom. I'm feeling just fine, had my hernia surgery six years ago..Koko is the one dealing with it now. As mentioned though I probably will again @ some point. Hopefully not though

[ April 29, 2011, 11:19 PM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 30, 2011, 08:11 AM:
 
Thanks Niko, I wasnt aiming that post at you, just to whoever was responsible, just to be clear.
Mark
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 30, 2011, 09:06 AM:
 
Your fear was palpable. Calm down. You've nothing to worry about, I will defend your honor, to the death. Lonny, too.

GH/LB

edit: what, exactly is the Patriot Guard? <yawn>

[ April 30, 2011, 09:07 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 30, 2011, 09:41 AM:
 
lol now Im getting more emails and pm,s elsewhere, telling me that this guy is blaming me and a few other guys for all sorts of shit. Just got one over at PM(where I just made a post in the call forum)

Apparently, he does in fact suspect a "Lonehowl67" in part for all the problems in his life. Lonehowl67 is part of my email addy and somehow it is entangled in whatever mess is going on with this guy.

I have never, as far as I know, spoken to, emailed, or even posted in the same thread as Mr. Middleton...much less give 2 shits about any "get-together" in Wyoming, or whatever it is.

Mark
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 30, 2011, 10:05 AM:
 
I just got off the phone with the gentleman that organizes the Wyoming hunt. Now, much of our talk was about PM moderators, but the distinct impression I got was this guy is at the point where he would enjoy the opportunity to paste one or two of them in their big fat mouth. Fair warning, cmiddleton, don't even think of attending the next hunt, these guys have had enough of your shit.

So, there ya go, we have some people that defend Casey as a good guy and others that think he's a lunatic. Hey, some people don't like me, I understand differences of opinion. The one thing that everybody agrees on is: he is the worst speller on the planet.

Some that I talk to, or hear from are firmly convinced that it is cmiddleton that is sending these anonymous emails, practically has his fingerprints all over it.

Yet, we have a few members here that defend the guy, regular guy, doesn't even beat his wife, so I continue to be a bit puzzled by these events. However, I think we are getting close to a verdict.

GH/LB

[ April 30, 2011, 10:06 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on April 30, 2011, 11:33 AM:
 
Leonard,

Someone has hacked Casey's account at Monstermulie's, he assured me he didn't try to join up here. I believe that...

I also believe he has made some people angry in the past and about this hunt. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve some of the bad press, just that he isn't the one stirring this up.

You asked about the Patriot Guard... I'll start a new topic with info.

Nikonut

[ April 30, 2011, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: Nikonut ]
 

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Posted by WyoColoDogger (Member # 3822) on April 30, 2011, 07:30 PM:
 
Somebody hacked into his email account? Oh my, I wonder if the same perp also hacked into Middleton's Pred.Masters account and sent similiar pm's. Aw hell, I'm sure Middleton is a the victim here. Maybe he can explain himself to the esteemed staff at Pred.Masters and get the matter straightened out. Was that also an imposter posing as C. Middleton that showed up for the Wyoming hunt?

Oh Nikonut..............what about the AUDIT of funds sent for the supposed sick daughter? Did the money go towards medical bills or was Middleton driving around in a new to him 77' Trans Am?

Glad somebody set you straight, Leonard but maybe it's time Middleton comes on here without his surrogate Niko and 'splain himself

I am going to donate a couple of calls to him though> http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=show flat&Main=25221&Number=203314#Post203314

[ April 30, 2011, 07:49 PM: Message edited by: WyoColoDogger ]
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 30, 2011, 07:39 PM:
 

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The same could be asked about Weasel, I believe his wife was sick.. Couple month's later he bought a brand new rifle thanks to the P.M. members..
 

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Posted by WyoColoDogger (Member # 3822) on April 30, 2011, 07:52 PM:
 
Weasel..........Weasel.......oh I remember, wasn't he the lost Oak Ridge boy? LOL

Another fence straddler if I recall
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 30, 2011, 08:29 PM:
 
I had another pleasant and informative conversation earlier this afternoon.

Without naming names, I talked to a man that has been in on these Wyoming hunts and has hunted with cmiddleton.

I need to protect the innocent as well as the guilty, but I came away from the conversation with a clear and obvious opinion.

So, being deliberately vague, I want to offer some well intended advice to whom ever it applies.

Give it up and forget about it. You have about 31 people involved and thirty of them appear to have basically the same opinion. Accept it, deal with it and move on because you can't win. You can't win by appealing to friendship and loyalty and you can't win by (yet again) playing the sympathy card. This issue was stillborn for everybody involved, and now, it for sure is dead and gone. There are no victims here. That's as plain as I can make it.

GH/LB
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on May 01, 2011, 03:16 AM:
 
Leonard I kind of already admitted I was backing off due to what I was told on forum and off.

The bottom line for me is, I don't believe it was cmiddleton sending you those emails. I believe it was someone screwing around with him and I stand by that.

As far as middleton's alleged sins go, as I already stated I don't have a dog in that fight. He can suffer the consequences or reap the benefits, as the case may be. Or he could come on here to Huntmasters and explain himself. Though either way I don't think it will make a difference for him.

49 over and out.

[ May 01, 2011, 03:30 AM: Message edited by: 4949shooter ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 01, 2011, 08:12 AM:
 
Somebody has a record of stuff happening to them, and a record of whining and complaining. He often makes no sense in his explanations. He makes huge threats and claims that some authority will be investigating things. It all has a familiar ring.

I have seen enough to know where the problem lies. In spite of loyalty and friendship, it appears that somebody is wrong and somebody else is right.

The difference here is that while reading up on events over at PMS, where the moderators cut and paste and edit and delete and do their best to obscure reality, in this case, we have an intact record and many facts provided by those that were there, instead of testimonials provided by friends who weren't there.

It's just that this dog won't hunt, you know what I mean? There be truth here, somewhere. You folks will just have to decide for yourselves.

GH/LB

PS just to make one point clear, the reason why the Wyoming bunch is not identified is because they want to remain on the good side of the powers that be, over at PMS. They know that one wrong move and they will have no forum on which to network with other Wyoming hunters.
 

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Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on May 01, 2011, 08:36 AM:
 
I almost went to the WY hunt. I was off work at the time and was gearing up to go. Heck even one guy, (I think the guy setting it up) gave me one of his homemade e-caller sounds. I've never coyote hunted in WY. It being much different from what I am used to, I thought it would be a pretty cool adventure.

I ended up going back to work so I missed it. My loss, but maybe in the future.

I have read some of his post, but I don't know this CM, so no comment there, but the other guys seemed like a bunch of good eggs (so to speak) from their post and such.

The night hunting and hunting on a few ranches or BLM land did seem to create some friction, or arguments.

[ May 01, 2011, 08:39 AM: Message edited by: DanS ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 01, 2011, 09:12 AM:
 
Dan, that part, the disagreement over night hunting can be boiled down to the wishes of a control freak. Lawful activity on public ground. Why would somebody attempt to influence other people, and as sure as night follows day, whine about it and make empty threats?

If there is anyone that disagrees and knows what happened, please chime in.

Question: why are a few convinced that hacking took place, in email and PM's?

GH/LB
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on May 01, 2011, 09:24 AM:
 
Guys, I really don't have a dog in this fight regardless of how it might seem.

The overwhelming balance of evidence points to CM... if it is indeed his doing I will be very surprised and disappointed. It wouldn't be the first time I was wrong but then I'm not going to let it affect my life either way.

Let's get some rope and hang all of them fellas!

I can't see arguing about what time I leave to hunt in the morning, where I hunt if it's legal, or even if I hunt at one of these gatherings. I have always gone to events for the comradery more than the hunting anyway! At home I can hunt how and when I want and don't have to pay for licenses or other fees. The economics of that just don't work out!

Like Leonard has said, this issue was stillborn and should be dead. It may take a long time but the truth will eventually come out and if not, then it didn't matter anyway!

Nikonut
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on May 01, 2011, 10:48 AM:
 

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Question: why are a few convinced that hacking took place, in email and PM's?

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So, niko is a friend, that makes sense that he would go to him. But, then all we have is niko sticking up for a friend, which is admirable, but he is going on faith, which doesn't make an impression on the rest of us....and he didn't post the text either.

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Why wouldn't he advise his friend to log in and explain himself? Oh, because that way the sheriff would know that he wasn't the one sending bogus emails. Not logical.

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If cmiddleton wants to get back at those bad guys in Wyoming, he isn't going to do it while hiding under niko and 49's skirts, and depending on them to relay his denials.

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What the hell is he so afraid of? Man up and tell EVERYBODY what happened before we all lose interest, and it's probably too late for that anyway?

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Look, Niko. You have nothing for us, and it does not ring true when you say that you have no dog in this fight, when it's obvious that you do.

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Both of you guys, this is not so much a reflection on your credibility, as it is a lack of something besides "opinion" that we can hang our hat on. I mean, you have a witness with an axe to grind. If he wants more bang for the buck, he should write from his regular email account to the administrator here, or register on the BOARD and tell everybody, in his own words. I can't understand why he is handling this the way he does. It's not logical.

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Leonard, it's entirely logical if it isn't CM doing it... it's called baiting and you and this board are an easy target. Whomever is doing this is probably sitting somewhere laughing his or her ass off over how this and the previous anonymously posted messages set this board on fire!!! I'm tempted to try starting another pileup just to find out how easy it might be. Think about that.

The real truth is that someone is being, "HAD" and maybe it's me. I've never met Casey but he's never done me wrong that I know of.

One question to all of you out there reading this...

What dog do you see me having in this fight?

The only "Logical" thing I could get out of any of this is to further lose credibility so show me the dog!

Bearhunter, I may have misjudged you in the past and I'd like to say I'm sorry for that... enjoyed reading your post regarding email routing. Very well written!

Hope I haven't broken the #1 rule here Leonard, it's not been my intention to try!

Nikonut
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 01, 2011, 05:39 PM:
 
Bear hunter, are we to understand that you copied and pasted that entire message, from after the caps in the first two lines?

These assumptions would be correct, as far as it goes. But, obviously, just because a message is anonymous, that does not mean that it is a hoax. I get them on a frequent basis, and 9 out of 10 are not hoaxes; they are emails sent from someone that does not want to reveal their identity, and the information is not usually false.

The people that provide that type of service could be cooperative with law enforcement, which is a case of BFD. Nothing we are dealing with in the events up in Wyoming are illegal, and I don't see why it would be necessary to "investigate" them and TRACK THEM DOWN? As far as I'm concerned, they are anonymous and I have no interest in discovering who actually wrote the email.

When it says that it comes from cmiddleton, that could be true and it could be wrong. Why somebody would send an email that you cannot respond to, I don't know? But if they identify themselves, it is possible that they don't want the recipient to know their email address, simple as that.

The fact that two law enforcement people received email supposedly from the person involved could mean that they expect to be checked out. Then, how do we explain that this person has been screaming that his email was hacked, and if so, I guess it is not possible to verify anything coming from this source. Maybe?

I really don't see the information as particularly illuminating, unless you are into conspiracy theories?

I keep coming back to the "person of interest" a frequent L.E. term they use when they can't use the word, suspect. But our person of interest is engaged in suspicious behavior. He could have come forward at any time, made a phone call, sent me a legit email, etc.

And, by the way, I'm not that hard to find, my number is published. I got two calls from Wyoming and another from a more eastern state and all of them looked up my phone number in the white pages.

Now, I have also been doing some research over at PMS, and I'm sorry to disagree; I do see a pattern consistent with the anonymous emails.

If Casey wants to clear things up, I think he needs to come out of hiding. And, if not, doing the best we can with available material I think it is possible to draw conclusions without his input. But, again, it is in his best interest to quit avoiding the issue.

If he didn't send me those emails, why not give me a call and straighten me out?

GH/LB
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 01, 2011, 05:55 PM:
 
No niko, don't worry about pissing me off because you disagree. Give me a little credit.

As far as the dog in this fight, okay, you showed me as wrong, he didn't contact you, you contacted him.....but that begs the question, WHY did you contact him, and what exactly can you tell us that exonerates cmiddleton. I am surprised that you two have never met, I definitely had the opposite impression.

So we might be victims of a hoax? That's it? If the man will talk to you, and you don't know him, then why wouldn't he talk to me? I'll give him a fair hearing, I promise you that.

GH/LB
 

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Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on May 01, 2011, 06:45 PM:
 
Leonard. yes, i just copied and pasted it. sorry for the cap locks. did'nt know i had it on till i posted.
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on May 01, 2011, 07:04 PM:
 
Well I am getting sick of this shit.

Casey, man the fuck up and reach out to Leonard about the emails. Some of us went to bat for you and you are letting us down.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 01, 2011, 07:15 PM:
 
That's just what I was thinking, 49. I'm getting fed up with the whole situation.

As of now, I think the Wyoming bunch is unfazed by what has transpired, here. cmiddleton seems to be playing a sly game while we are arguing amongst ourselves.

The way I see it, based on what I have heard from people that were there and know him, he does not look too good. How anybody can arrive at a completely different conclusion that he's once again a victim, is beyond me. But I've been wrong before.

GH/LB

edit: bearhunter, there is no problem, man. I was just asking for a clarification.

[ May 01, 2011, 07:17 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on May 01, 2011, 08:10 PM:
 
Not that we don't enjoy a good fight now and then but remind me...

Why do we care about any of this?
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on May 01, 2011, 10:32 PM:
 

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Well, Leonard I do worry about pissing you off and I actually give you a great deal of credit for how you handle things here.

Why did I call CM? I called him to find out for myself and to try to answer the questions that guys were asking regarding emails they were getting.

Casey told me he has never been to HM... I gave him the info on finding this place and whether he acts on that is anyones guess. Given the press this has gotten I doubt that he will even try to register. How will we know if it's him if he does try to register?

Sure would be better if you and Casey could have a conversation. I'll work on that one.

Nikonut
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on May 02, 2011, 02:44 AM:
 
Well let me apologize for my above post. I got exasperated and I let my anger get the best of me. As far as I know, Casey didn't ask anyone to stick up for him, so I don't believe he owes us anything. However, I know he has been following this thread, and it is my humble opinion that reaching out would be the decent thing to do after all.

Nikon's suggestion of calling Leonard directly would be the best method.

And Tom is right...why do we care about this?

At any rate, Osama Bin Laden is reported to be dead, and that is a good thing.

[ May 02, 2011, 03:01 AM: Message edited by: 4949shooter ]
 

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