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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 30, 2011, 12:30 PM:
 
Okay, look. We have some members who are Law Enforcement, and they may be able to give us some background, but for doing that, we don't need to give them a ration of shit for their trouble. OK?

So, the latest thing in traffic stops is downloading all information on your cell phone with some hitech device.

I don't know why they would feel it necessary?

I certainly don't think it's legal, but maybe they innocently ask if they can look at it? I don't know?

I just feel that there is no way in hell, am I going to give permission for a cop to suck everything out of my phone.

What the hell is the reason they want it and how can they legally use my property without my permission?

What if they somehow have the authority to do this? How in the hell did that happen? Grrr

GH/LB
 
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 30, 2011, 01:07 PM:
 
I, too, am curious. KS recently made it illegal to text while driving, but not to talk on your cell while driving. I saw a guy the other day as he turned into a Sonic Drive-In and he had his cell in his hand looking down at it. My first thought was, "Oops, busted." Then, I thought to myself, "What if I saw him just as he was answering an incoming call and he was merely looking at the screen to check the caller ID. As I thought about it more, I wondered if the police have the right to secure information on your phone to collaborate their claims that they saw you texting while driving, which would require that they get a copy of your text logs, including the date and time stamp to match the time you were stopped.

Then again, having said that, in some places, the Popo now have the option of downloading the hard drive of a laptop of netbook you might have in your possession when detained. Really wondering how this jibes with the Fourth Amendment? Will the courts regard a password protected laptop to demonstrate a
"reasonable attempt" to ensure privacy, requiring a warrant to access, much like a locked and secured container within a person's trunk?
 
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on April 30, 2011, 02:28 PM:
 
Very intersting, if it's legal, you can probably thank Homeland security. Them and FEMA are the ones to watch.

I know a guy who got busted selling dope. The cops took his cell phone, sent text messages to most if not all on his contact list saying "got your stuff" A few sent messages back, "be right there" of course they were arrested for frequenting a known drug house or something like that.

All buyers went to drug court of course, no jail sentence but I've heard the judge and court system gets the proceeds for drug court. A money making racket on both sides if true.
 
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 30, 2011, 02:36 PM:
 
If a person is in a accident a L.E. can ask them if they were on the phone at the time or ask to look at it or they will just contact the provider and get the phone records from them..
Somewhere out East a driver was in a accident and at the time he was talking to one of his bosses on the phone. The company lost millions on that deal.. The company I work for requires us to sign a piece of paper promissing not to use our phone dureing company time.. Best thing to do is if you have to use a cell phone is just pull over some-place.. Its getting to the point that use of a cell phone while driveing is almost as bad getting caught driveing drunk..
I think we also have a law on the books if a minor is caught driveing and talking on a cell phone he is done driveing till he reaches 18..
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 30, 2011, 02:52 PM:
 
Enlighten me. What the hell is DRUG COURT? I know the difference between a Justice Court, Municipal Court, Superior Court, Appellate and Supreme Court, state versions and Federal District Courts and the Supremes. I have even heard of Family Court, but never heard of Drug Court?

GH/LB
 
Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 30, 2011, 04:28 PM:
 
Patriot act.
 
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on April 30, 2011, 05:02 PM:
 
Leonard I don't know much about it but this is how it's supposed to work I guess.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_court

I'm sure we ain't special but we've got to be close to the top in pot growers, meth labs and with I-35 coming right out of mexico we seem to have no shortage of dope and trouble.

Problem is drug court doesn't really put the fear of God in anyone and the problem ain't getting better. Of course it's the same everywhere you go.

If only I was King...
 
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 30, 2011, 07:14 PM:
 
This cell phone/computer case law is pretty new, and I believe it is still pending in many court jurisdictions.

But the bottom line is the 4th amendment prevails, and law enforcement would require a warrant to look through your phone or computer. Of course, the law officer can ask your permission to look through your phone. Or if he happens to see a text message on your phone in plain view, that is a different story. Edit: Let me add that this is how we teach it in NJ.

Perhaps this may change as new case law is established, but often times case law is specific to a certain set of circumstances.

[ April 30, 2011, 07:16 PM: Message edited by: 4949shooter ]
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 30, 2011, 08:08 PM:
 
49, it seems pretty lame to me, that "text messages in plain sight" is excusable policy. At least on my phone, a text message is never "in plain sight" and a cop would have to use the device as would the owner, in order to bring up a text message.

I mean shit! Tomorrow are they going to be opening my friggin' mail?

This country is going to hell and I know who to blame.

Good hunting. LB
 
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 30, 2011, 08:19 PM:
 
I know here in Mn. if and when they want access to youre cell phone is when you are in a traffic accident.. Here its not illegal to talk on a cell and drive as long as you don't have a wreck.. They maybe also logging this info for future laws that may need passing in the future or documentation for the lawyers incase there is a lawsuite..

[ April 30, 2011, 08:22 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
 
Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on May 31, 2011, 08:27 AM:
 
Article on the question posed.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/mobile/05/31/warrantless.phone.searches/index.html?hpt=T2
 
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on May 31, 2011, 08:39 AM:
 
I can see the new bumper stckers now:
'You can have my phone when you take it from my cold dead hand.'
'Molon labe verizon'
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 31, 2011, 08:52 AM:
 
Jack booted thugs has taken on new meaning. If this is the trend, I am starting to tilt toward anti-police from neutral police.

gh/lb
 
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on May 31, 2011, 10:10 AM:
 
LOL
 
Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on May 31, 2011, 10:15 AM:
 
Hmmm.

Mebbeso the next time I see our county Sheriff I'll address him as 'Herr Obergruppenfuehrer' and give him a piece of my mind about his goose-steppin' authoritarian jackbooted rights-violatin' thugs...

Hell, the next thing you know the cops are gonna want to start seizing and waterboarding all these damn carrier pidgeons that all the drug dealers use to arrange their deals and take orders from their users. Nobody has the right to take somebody's personal bird and examine it's little birdlegs for messages and ask it questions without a search warrant from a court and a consent to interview waiver from the poor innocent bird!!! I bet the bastards won't even read the pidgeons their Miranda rights first!!!!!

This country is goin' to hell...

[ May 31, 2011, 10:15 AM: Message edited by: DEL GUE ]
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 31, 2011, 10:20 AM:
 
Accessing a cell phone is like examining Dan's, (the man) toy box, in the MASTER bedroom. Seems a frightful violation of his civil rights? Out Rageous.

Good hunting. LB
 
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on May 31, 2011, 10:23 AM:
 
Damn it Leonard, you promised you wouldn't tell if I let you borrow them.
 
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on May 31, 2011, 10:49 AM:
 
soak em in a bleach solution for at least 8 min. before putting them away Dan!
 
Posted by Ken (Member # 3065) on May 31, 2011, 11:08 AM:
 
I have not heard much about this. It will be interesting to read more. No experience in playing with cell phones in the name of National Security.
 
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on May 31, 2011, 11:23 AM:
 
All they are doing is looking at youre call times on the cell and nothing more.. If its that big of a deal just leave the cell phone in the trunk....
 
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on May 31, 2011, 12:02 PM:
 
How do you know that Tim?
 
Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on May 31, 2011, 12:08 PM:
 
C'mon Paul, you already know the answer.
 
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on May 31, 2011, 12:22 PM:
 
Paul they do it all the time here. Anytime you are envolved in a accident especialy if you drive a 18 wheeler they will check to see if you where on the phone at the time of a accident..
Just a heads up but if anyone is in a wreck the only number that should be on youre phone in that time frame is 911, and not a call to youre wife or boss...

The L.E. dose'nt have to have youre phone in there possession to check call times, they just need youre number and provider, but does
make the check easier if they can just look at the phone..

In case you would end up missing they can also trace youre last call location and time and get a rough idea of where you where at at the time..
In my brothers case he did'nt make it home one night and my neighbor cop was able to check his call log and give us a idea of what tower he was close to when he made his last call which shrunk the search area considerably....
 
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on May 31, 2011, 12:59 PM:
 
Used to be that when I saw someone weaving in traffic I assumed they were drinking. Now my first reaction is that they are on a cell phone.

I wonder if my CB radio still works.
 
Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on May 31, 2011, 01:24 PM:
 
If there has been an accident, then fine. Determining cause would be a reasonable reason. To download the info during a routine stop is another thing. So yea Tim, I do have a problem with it.

Maintain

P.S. There is a differance between consenting to do it and having the JBT's do so with out consent.
 
Posted by RagnCajn (Member # 879) on May 31, 2011, 01:55 PM:
 
Anyone bought a new vehicle lately? I don't know about all models, but I can tell you what the '11 F-250 has in it. A black box. It is constantly recording my last 30 seconds of driving habits. In the manual, Ford says they will cooperate with authorities in the event of an accident. This involves them releasing the data that according to my manual will tell them acceleration and braking pressures, wheel angles, and other internal data. This is where it gets scary to me. What is other internal data. Since this model comes with Bluetooth capabilities, anytime I have a phone call my radio shuts off and I can press a button on the steering wheel to answer the call via a mic above my head and the calling party can be heard on my radio speakers.

So lets say I am talking on the phone, some idiot pulls out in front of me and I get pissed. I floor the truck and use the three inch pipe bumper on the front to push him over the bridge railing. All the while screaming obscenities at the idiot for impeding my progress. If that case ends up in court and Ford pulls the data, I'm screwed.

[ May 31, 2011, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: RagnCajn ]
 
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on May 31, 2011, 02:05 PM:
 
quote:
If there has been an accident, then fine. Determining cause would be a reasonable reason. To download the info during a routine stop is another thing. So yea Tim, I do have a problem with it.

So who has had the L.E. stop them for no reason and looked at there cell phone????? I think Leonard asked a question if they can or cannot..
Maybe its different in other places but to my knowledge I have'nt had it happen or heard of it happening other than areas that have restrictions for use of cell phones.....
 
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on May 31, 2011, 02:09 PM:
 
So lets say I am talking on the phone, some idiot pulls out in front of me and I get pissed. I floor the truck and use the three inch pipe bumper on the front to push him over the bridge railing. All the while screaming obscenities at the idiot for impeding my progress. If that case ends up in court and Ford pulls the data, I'm screwed.

Just aint fair is it Randy?
 
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on May 31, 2011, 02:11 PM:
 
quote:
In case you would end up missing they can also trace youre last call location and time and get a rough idea of where you where at at the time..
In my brothers case he did'nt make it home one night and my neighbor cop was able to c

The gov't can do much more than that with your cell phone Tim.

If they know your number, they can remotely turn it on and also activate the speaker/mic and listen to your and everyone else's conversation within earshot of your cell phone.

This is not new info, it was leaked a while back. The Gov't was using this tool to "fight crime" and catch "bad guys". That is just one reason cell phones are not allowed in some sensitive area's. If the gov't can hack your phone God only knows who else can.

Roving bug

[ May 31, 2011, 02:19 PM: Message edited by: DanS ]
 
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on May 31, 2011, 02:31 PM:
 
quote:
The gov't can do much more than that with your cell phone Tim.
Yes Dan you are correct.
The only one who should worry about it is the one breaking any laws...

I've had a cell phone for as long as I can remember and its main purpose is for work or emergency's. At night it stays in the truck since I have a house phone. At work it stays in the truck, I'm being paid to work not visit on the phone.. If I miss a call its not the end of the world, you can record messages on it and it also has a missed call feature where it records the missed call numbers.. Now days everywhere you look someone has a phone hanging from there belt or they just walk around all day with it in the hand.. Crazzy!
 
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on May 31, 2011, 02:32 PM:
 
This is a bit off topic, but it's pretty scary too.

School spying on kids

I can imagine what might happen if adult men were watching young school girls in their bedrooms, where they thought they had privacy and were safe. Good grief, imagine the charges if any of this was recorded. Child Porn?

I can only guess that the gov't has this technology too.
 
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on May 31, 2011, 02:38 PM:
 
I don't want to sound like the Black helicopter, tinfoil hat, paranoid type but your statement

quote:
Yes Dan you are correct.
The only one who should worry about it is the one breaking any laws...

makes me think of someone saying

If you haven't done anything wrong or have nothing to hide, you don't mind me taking a look in the back of your truck, searching your car, house, fill in the blank
 
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on May 31, 2011, 02:57 PM:
 
quote:
If you haven't done anything wrong or have nothing to hide, you don't mind me taking a look in the back of your truck, searching your car, house, fill in the blank
I got pulled over in Pierre S.D. one time by two cops. I sat in the car with one of them while he asked a few questions with which I replied Yes! No! and none of youre business. The second cop walked up to my truck and just looked in the windows but did not stick his head inside. After that he turned and walked to the back of the pick-up and then looked over the tail-gate to see what I had laying in the bed of the truck. All of a sudden he jumps back and reaching for his pistol at the same time and then he stops and looks again and then looks back at me sitting in the police car.. He walks back to the car a little shaky and asks me what the hell is that laying in the back of the truck... I laughed so hard I had tears comeing from my eyes, I told him it was just a big old porky-pine..LMAO.....

Back when I was in the service the gate guards would look in my car everytime I came on base, no big deal....
 
Posted by tlbradford (Member # 1232) on May 31, 2011, 03:57 PM:
 
Geez guys, 4949 already answered the question...they need a warrant. Any good lawyer would get any violation thrown out of court if a cop claimed they saw a visible text message and searched your car w/o permission.

You can be friendly if pulled over, but your answers to anything regarding permission to search are, "no, no, no," and "do you have a warrant?."

It is really difficult for an officer to prove probable cause for a search of your vehicle. Even the ol' "thought I smelled marijuana," and "thought I smelled alcohol," is not going to fly in a court of law most of the time.

[ May 31, 2011, 03:58 PM: Message edited by: tlbradford ]
 
Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on May 31, 2011, 04:09 PM:
 
I would think if the cops have the machine to 'download' your phone present with them at a 'routine' stop, then the stop probably isn't 'routine' to start with.
 
Posted by Lungbuster (Member # 630) on May 31, 2011, 04:21 PM:
 
I've never heard of this.

My only experience is texting while driving which just became illegal in Idaho less than a year ago.
Texting while driving is hard to prove though, if I get someone doing it, I usually ask a series of questions that leads up to them admitting they were doing it.
If they deny doing it I usually let them off with a warning.
 
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on May 31, 2011, 04:24 PM:
 
here is some info for my state.

quote:
The MinnesotaText Messaging Ban

On August 1st, 2008 text-messaging, emailing or accessing the Web on a wireless device while driving in Minnesota (including while stopped in traffic) became illegal. The violation can cost up to $300 and applies to drivers of all ages. This is a primary offense law, which means you can be pulled over if your are observed violating the new law.

According to the news release (posted below) The law does not apply to devices that are permanently affixed to the vehicle or global positioning systems or navigation systems. Please see the memo below.


Texting, Emailing, Web Access Behind The Wheel Illegal

Motorists Can Be Pulled Over Directly for the Violation

ST. PAUL — Text-messaging, emailing or accessing the Web on a wireless device while driving — including while stopped in traffic — is illegal on Minnesota roads effective August 1. The violation can cost up to $300 and applies to drivers of all ages. As a primary offense, law enforcement can stop a motorist if they observe a violation of the new law.

Specifically, the law states that no person may operate a motor vehicle while using a wireless communications device to compose, read, or send an electronic message, when the vehicle is in motion or a part of traffic. The law does not apply to devices that are permanently affixed to the vehicle or global positioning systems or navigation systems.

According to the Department of Public Safety (DPS), crashes in which distraction or inattention was a factor — including text-messaging or cell phone use — are vastly underreported. The state reports distraction was a factor in at least 15 percent of all fatal crashes during 2005–2007, resulting in 240 traffic deaths. Another 1,163 motorists suffered serious, life-altering injuries as a result of distracted driving crashes during this period. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says distraction is a factor in about 25 percent of all crashes.

“When you are composing or reading a text message, your focus is not on the road, and your hands definitely aren’t on the wheel,” says Cheri Marti, director of DPS Office of Traffic Safety. “Driving is a multitasking activity in itself that requires complete attention.”

Marti says while the law is a good first step in eliminating the texting distraction, Minnesota motorists need to make a “serious effort” to remain focused on driving.

“Before you drive, put your phone out of reach so you avoid the urge to go for it,” says Marti. “If you have passengers, use them as the designated texters and have them handle your calls and texts.”

Cell phone use for teen drivers with a provisional license is completely prohibited by a law in effect since 2006. In an informal DPS Minnesota teen driving survey, teen respondents said texting was their biggest distraction while driving. Texting was also cited as the “most unsafe” behavior their friends engaged in while driving.

"NEWS RELEASE
Christine M. Krueger, Director of Communications

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
July 31, 2008
CONTACT:
Nathan Bowie, 651-201-7571

###
444 Cedar Street, Suite 155 | Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101-5155 | www.dps.state.mn.us

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Minnesota Cell Phone Laws

Minnesota does have a cell-phone law for drivers under the age of 18. This driving law was signed by the Governor of Minnesota in 2005 and went into effect on January 1st, 2006.

The cell-phone law prohibits drivers that are permit and provisional license holders from using a cellular or wireless telephone while the vehicle is in motion. The law specifically states that a hands free device cannot be used and that there are exceptions for emergency situations.

Another new bill that is currently active in the Minnesota legislative process is HF 41. If the bill gains momentum, it would prohibit the use of cell-phones while operating a motor vehicle.

If the bill does pass it would be enforced as a secondary offense which means the driver would have to initially be pulled over for a primary offense such as speeding or running a red light. This bill is being carried over to the 2008 legislative session and has not been enacted.

More Information Minnesota's Hands-Free Driving Law

Here is the State of Minnesota's government website that information regarding the cell-phone driving law.

State Website- Information on Minnesota's Cell-Phone Driving Law

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Minnesota Teen Driving Laws

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Texting & Driving - Can the Police Search Your Cell Phone at the Traffic Stop?

Posted 12 months ago. Applies to Georgia, 1 helpful vote, Comments (0)

Written by: Jennifer Nichole Johnson

Attorney licensed in Georgia



On July 1, texting while driving will be illegal for all Georgia drivers, and young drivers with provisional licenses will be banned from any cell phone use behind the wheel. A conviction can cost the driver $150 and 1 point on their driver’s history.



But, what exactly does it all mean? The law, known officially as the "Caleb Sorohan Act for Saving Lives by Preventing Texting While Driving", states that a driver may not use using a wireless telecommunications device to write, send, or read any text based communication, including but not limited to a text message, instant message, e-mail, or Internet data, except in the case of an emergency. The ban does not include CB radios, commercial two-way radio communication devices (push to talk); subscription based emergency communications (On Star), in-vehicle security, navigation devices (GPS, including Google maps on iPhones), and remote diagnostics systems, or amateur or ham radio devices. The bottom line is that you can talk all you want or use your GPS without violating the new law.



The interesting question is how the police intend to enforce the law. If someone is stopped for texting while driving, can the police conduct a warrantless search of the cell phone? The Courts have found that a person has a reasonable expectation of privacy over their cell phone. United States v. Finley, 477 F.3d 250, 259-260 (5th Cir. 2007). Additionally, it has been found that cell phones are more than just calling devices, containing private information, such as text messages and address books and that going through a cell phone at a traffic stop was like “general rummaging in order to discover incriminating evidence.” United States v. Zavala, 541 F.3d 562, 577 (5th Cir. 2008). However, if the Officer arrests the driver, the Courts have held that a warrantless search of a cell phone was proper after the arrest of a suspect, thus there was no Fourth Amendment violation in retrieving the call records and text messages from the suspect’s cell phone. Finley, 260.



Whether a police officer making a traffic stop can demand an individual’s phone in an attempt to verify if someone was text messaging, checking their email or surfing the web and if that search would violate the Fourth Amendment will ultimately be left up to a court of law.

It is JNJLAW’s opinion that such a search would violate the Fourth Amendment because of the personal information contained in most “wireless communication devices”. However, as an extra level of protection, JNJLAW recommends using the passcode feature available on many phones since a warrant would then be required to access the information.

Also from doing a little searching I found out that they can search youre cell phone in Cali., its legal at the moument..
After doing a little looking around I found that most of the police that are checking into cells phones are of those that belong to a person or persons that have commited a crime and arrested for it.
 
Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on May 31, 2011, 04:48 PM:
 
Guys, I think you think this is a lot more prevalent than it is. This 'downloading' of phones..that would mostly be of interest to drug or gang officers, or possibly detectives working some particular case. If you think these 'download' machines are laying on the front seat of every patrol car, you are sadly mistaken. There is not a single road patrol deputy in my agency who has one of these things in his car. I am not aware of any traffic units having them, either. The detectives or drug guys could probably get one if they needed one, but to think they run around doing traffic stops downloading phones all the time is fantasy.

And I really hate to ruffle your ego's, but honestly, cops couldn't care less who or what is on your phones. Do you guys really think I lay awake at night wondering who is in your phone lists? On the contrary, if some of you guys handed me your phones and invited me to go through your phone lists, I'd decline, whether on or off duty. I really don't care. I don't even want to see who is in my relative's or friend's phones, let alone some goofball I stop because he rolled a stop sign.

Tell ya what. Let's do an experiment. The next one of y'all that gets stopped for something, offer the cop your phone and ask him if he wants to look through your phone list and then come back and tell us what the answer was. He's prolly gonna look at you like you're a Martian for even asking him something like that.
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 31, 2011, 05:04 PM:
 
Being on the cell phone is not proof of any distraction. Ever hear of bluetooth?

gh/lb

edit: Del, we didn't dream up the downloading issue. It was in the news. If it's bogus, okay, but the comments are a reaction to the infringement of privacy, true or false.

[ May 31, 2011, 05:08 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on May 31, 2011, 05:11 PM:
 
Perhaps but I think these people will disagree.
quote:
The state reports distraction was a factor in at least 15 percent of all fatal crashes during 2005–2007, resulting in 240 traffic deaths. Another 1,163 motorists suffered serious, life-altering injuries as a result of distracted driving crashes during this period

 
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on May 31, 2011, 05:13 PM:
 
My bet is that any law enacted that allows police to check cell phones without probable cause or a warrant will be appealed in a higher court, and thus found unconstitutional.
 
Posted by Lungbuster (Member # 630) on May 31, 2011, 05:14 PM:
 
Leonard,
It's the steering with a driver's knees while texting/looking at the phone in their laps that is the distraction.
 
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on May 31, 2011, 05:14 PM:
 
Del. I read somewhere those machines go for over 3 grand ...
 
Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on May 31, 2011, 05:41 PM:
 
Leonard,
I didn't say that it had never happened. I suggested that it wasn't prevalent. I also think there is a distinction to be made between downloading being done during traffic stops versus downloading being done on arrestee's phones. And another distinction, as well, between merely looking at a phone and using a machine to download information from it.

As for it being an infringement of privacy, I would suggest it's only an infringement of privacy if the courts say it is. And, like 49, my guess is that it will ultimately be ruled unconstitutional unless done with a search warrant.

And Tim relevantly points out that these downloading units are not cheap. Agency budgets in the current economic clime don't allow much room for discretionary toys for street cops who do not need them.

If everybody wants to get enraged over something, then get uptight about all the guilty people who are found innocent every day in our flawed legal system, and even more importantly, all the innocent people who go to prison, because that happens all day every day all over this country.
 
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on May 31, 2011, 06:09 PM:
 
quote:
If everybody wants to get enraged over something, then get uptight about all the guilty people who are found innocent every day in our flawed legal system, and even more importantly, all the innocent people who go to prison, because that happens all day every day all over this country.

I agree with ya 100% there.

Then you have the leave certain groups alone. Using Illegal aliens as an example. I hear there are close to 20 million illegals in this country. Most of the LEO I know here, say that they know where many of the illegals are, but are told to leave them alone.

When some are arrested, ICE is always too busy or undermanned to pick them up, etc...

And yes I know the liberal courts are saying that is the Fed's job. But that is another issue. Enforcing the laws already on the books.

[ May 31, 2011, 06:14 PM: Message edited by: DanS ]
 
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on May 31, 2011, 07:27 PM:
 
As far as illegals go, locals don't have any means to get rid of them because ICE won't come get them, so why spend the man hours bugging them. The local SO is uptown in a little mexican restaurante every noon because they make the best damned mexican food around. They ought to, hardly anyone hablas ingles becauee it's a known stop over for routing illegals from where they were to where they'll be two weeks from now.

Consent is your best defense IMO. If they ask, say no. You'd be surprised at how many people just open the flood gates when asked. Big bro and I topped this hill late one night and met two cars coming toward us. The radar locked at 82 (in a 55). We took off after them and BB says, "Only problem is, which one was doing 82? The back one was either the one that got passed which means the front one was speeding, or it was getting ready to pass which meant they were speeding." We pulled them over and he says, as we approach, "Watch how I handle this..." It was a young lady, maybe 17. She looks all nervous as hell and when she rolls her window down, BB shines his Maglite in her eyes and says, with his best "command voice", "Young lady, do you have any idea how fast I clocked you going?!?". She sheepishly says, "83?".

Busted. LOL

He always asked "Any drugs or weapons in the vehicle?" Surpising how many ppl just handed stuff over.

Do the Schultz.... "I know nutting... NUTTING!!!"
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 31, 2011, 08:01 PM:
 
There just HAS to be some way of dealing with illegal aliens. It appears everybody is powerless to do anything about it, or from experience, they know nothing will be done, if they report it.

I had a truck driver buddy who was delivering to Yuma, a long lonely drive across the desert, late at night, on a week day. He and a pickup were stopped in the middle of nowhere.

He said he was doing 5/8 miles over the speed limit, but the pickup was going a lot faster. The CHP approached the pickup, talked to the driver very briefly, sent him on his way and came back and wrote a speeding ticket for the professional driver.

When it came time to sign on the dotted line, he asked about the other guy and why he didn't give him a ticket?

The cop said, he was a Mexican, he will never appear in court anyway so it's not worth his time to write it up.

Ya know, somebody is getting shafted and I'm pretty sure it's Joe Average Citizen. Why do Mexicans fearlessly protest and raise hell, break stuff, riot, etc. and the police stand around like they are blind and deaf?

Yet, your average citizen complains about some chickenshit deal and he gets wrassled to the ground and cuffed and stuffed?

Good hunting. LB

[ May 31, 2011, 08:01 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on May 31, 2011, 08:14 PM:
 
I propose we have sheriff dipshit use his swat team to serve some warrants on them?
 




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