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Topic: Flipper lights.
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JoeF
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posted January 14, 2005 08:31 PM
RayG, thanks for the reply... I had an idea of the answer before I asked.
Sorry to all, I've shot a couple of foxes lately and was feeling a bit cocky!It's been a while...
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Leonard
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posted January 15, 2005 01:45 PM
Krusty, I think you are stiring shit. Nobody is required to keep you informed, and then have to justify whatever their personal philosophy might be? I know for a fact that the information to make a decent light is available, in words and pictures. You just want to argue.
In the first place, if you can't fathom the value of a flipper light, why not just back out of the discussion?
That's all the time I have to jump in here, but you are completely full of it to suggest that "we" old farts aren't trying to help, and provide accurate information for the clueless. We are, and we do.
Aloha, LB
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Duncan Menads
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posted January 17, 2005 04:20 AM
Krusty, next time you need a book on brain surgery, don't go down to the auto parts store. Know what I mean?
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Leonard
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posted January 19, 2005 10:47 AM
Krusty, I just want you to know that regardless of where you get your advice, regardless of the subject at hand, you seem to want to rag on the messenger. I can tell you, for certain, that it pisses guys off when you whine about how hard it is, or argue about some small detail that you don't understand? In this case, you (once again) don't understand.
Does it make sense that you have people, out in the hinterlands, using a red light, and clueless about any other method? Some of us have moved beyond a simple red light, decades ago. Now, why would somebody reinvent a step backwards, that isn't needed? The answer is that it is progress.
If you, or your favorite night hunter doesn't understand the need, as has been said; it isn't brain surgery. Just step back and ask yourself if there might possibly be something you and the rest, have missed?
We have been building custom lights out here for many years. There must be some reason, don't you think? Oh yeah, YOU can't fathom the reason, which is understandable. Where you show stupidity is in arguing about something you don't know anything about. It should be enough to tell you that something is better. You can't possibly sit there and brainstorm a better solution without knowing what it does and what the purpose may be.
In fact, most of the little modifications to hunting lights are done to solve a very specific problem. You don't know about any of those problems, but you fearlessly pass judgement based on zero experience. Are you getting a feeling for how silly some of your statements are?
Believe me, those that know what they are talking about, and in this discussion, there are exactly three of us, have attempted to explain reasons, whys and wherefores, and the response we get is EVALUATION! What you should do is shut up and read every word, then use whatever you have; manage to kill a few animals, and THEN consider alternatives. This is how things evolve.
I guarantee you, people that start out night hunting always come back from a hunt with more questions, than answers. Many experienced hunters actually will NOT readily share the technical information. Here, we do. Be grateful. Quit with the judgements and evaluations until you have some knowledge.
If you talk to neanderthals that are using stone spear points, (or basic red lights), you get the same thing:
"They are the best, you don't need flipper spear points!"
Again, you choose to believe, whoever you want to believe. Pick one of those simple red lights. I advise you to do that, instead of your OWN (inferior) solution. Your pictures demonstrate better than anything else, that you don't know anything about the subject.
Now, think about it before you mouth off again. You folks just are not ready for this stuff.
Good hunting. LB
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Barndog
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posted January 19, 2005 02:08 PM
Krusty, Re-read all the stuff on the night hunting thread from the start and then develope your own style that works for you. This stuff isn't rocket science, of coarse rocket science is just blasting a known mass into a vacuum. Use what works.
The last coyote I saw in the spot light didn't have time to beam him with the white light, he was trying to sniff the bumber. How they can sneak in like that sometimes, without ever looking at the light is impressive, exciting too. Lots to learn still.
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Doggitter
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posted January 19, 2005 05:35 PM
Would any of you fill in a guy completely un-experienced with night hunting on what the make-up of a flipper light is. Sounds like the light flips around or a dual colored globe turns around the light? Loren
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NASA
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posted January 19, 2005 05:47 PM
Krusty, how many years have you been trying to call in a coyote? Two? This might be the problem: "I am actually very jovial, and am good company in the field". Could it be you just can't sit still and shut-up long enough on stand? Coyote calling isn't meant to be a social occasion. A ratchet-jaw on any hunt is a jinx.
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Leonard
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posted January 19, 2005 05:51 PM
Not at all, Loren. The red disc (plastic filter) is positioned inside the barrel, or shroud, mounted on a flat sided shaft, and connected to a cable that causes the red fliter to pivot sideways. This effectively changes the color of the light from red to white and is most useful for actually making the shot, illuminating your target and allowing precise shot placement. As I said before, think of the action as like a choke on a carburator, linkage and all.
PS you can't go out and buy one. (thank God!) Krusty would prob..........
never mind! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Good hunting. LB
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NASA
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posted January 19, 2005 05:57 PM
Doggitter, have you ever seen those old style kitchen flour sifters? Looks like a big aluminum cup with a screen on the bottom, and a squeeze handle? When you squeeze the handle, it rotates a metal ring on the inside that scrapes against the screen. Well, in concept, the mechanics of a flipper works like that. And to quote Danny, "...and I ain't sayin' any more than that".
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Leonard
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posted January 19, 2005 07:09 PM
By the way. In that last pic posted by Krusty, it shows two different lights. One looks like a standard flipper light and the other appears to be a Nightforce? with no other modifications.
Good hunting. LB
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RayG
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posted January 19, 2005 07:59 PM
Leonard, Both lights are night force, one with a tube and lens, other is right out of the box with tube on the workbench waiting its turn. I'll get to it someday soon, or maybe the night before I need it.
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Doggitter
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posted January 20, 2005 06:12 PM
Oh, that was a real DUH! Thanks.
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Skinner 2
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posted January 25, 2005 07:57 PM
Simple solution to all the bickering!
Someone introduce Krusty to the free porn sites! ![[Embarrassed]](redface.gif)
Skinner 2
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Jay Nistetter
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posted January 28, 2005 08:41 AM
Krusty...
How old were you when your parents ran away from home?
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Hodgen
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posted February 03, 2005 02:04 PM
Hey Ray,
Is that the one that burned out at that critical moment? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Was one heck of a time for a light to fail...giggle.
For the guys who never used a flipper light. You just don't know what you're missing if you night hunt a lot. And for those "positive identification" guys, I can't tell you how many times I been fooled at night. The flipper tells all!!!
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Leonard
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posted February 03, 2005 05:57 PM
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For the guys who never used a flipper light. You just don't know what you're missing if you night hunt a lot. And for those "positive identification" guys, I can't tell you how many times I been fooled at night. The flipper tells all!!!
See there. An unsolicited testimonial, from a guy in Penns....(back east). I keep thinking of the comments made on some other board about how you don't need nothing but a red light and flippers are too noisey, etc. etc. What a bunch of malarky, from those that obviously don't know what in the hell they are talking about. Makes ya lol.
Good hunting. LB
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CougerBait
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posted February 04, 2005 06:12 AM
I guess I'm one of the idiots that don't see the value in a flipper light. Compared to allot of guy's on this sight I am a new born when it comes to night hunting. I don't keep track of how many animals that I have killed or any thing like that. But I have been night hunting hard for the last 3 years. In the beginning I had a hard time identifying animals. But it is all second nature any more. Last weekend we were on the east side and had mo problem identifying a coyote at 500 yards with a light force 170.
You can flame me, give me all kinds of crap. I guess I'm just lost on this subject.
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Leonard
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posted February 04, 2005 09:04 AM
It don't work that way, cougar~ It's because of a closed minded attitude that the topic keeps coming back to the same point.
Suppose you never saw an automobile, or a freeway, and you kept making statements like:
"I don't know what all the fuss is about, my horse and buggy work fine."
Then you say that you have been night hunting for three years and you are never fooled. Well, you may be, one day.
When somebody that has been doing this stuff for three decades, rather than three seasons, tells you that there is a better way, and you dispute it without benefit of the experience....you aren't an idiot, there is another word that fits, and you might try it on.
So, this shouldn't be considered a flame for making foolish comments. Perhaps you don't know as much about hunting at night as you think you do?
In any case, it isn't worth getting angry, we can still be friends. I don't expect everybody to agree with all things I say. Far from it.
Good hunting. LB
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Duncan Menads
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posted February 04, 2005 09:39 AM
Leonard, that's a great explanation, that closed-minded arguing keeps bringing this subject back.
I'm not sure which side is worse, though.
You see, CB, according the guys that use them, a flipper light is better, NO DOUBT.
Leonard's example of horse and buggy is good, but I'll counter with one:
Let's say you need glasses, and when you finally get some, you can see so much better. It may be natural for you to assume that EVERYONE could be seeing better if they'd just go get themselves some glasses! Afterall, it worked for you, so it must therefore work for everyone else. When of course that would not be true.
But anyway, hey, man, you got... what, 3 decades times at least 3 telling you to get a flipper light, so....
(I wonder how many people in this world, if you asked them, would tell you you should be wrapping your head in a turban....)
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Greenside
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posted February 04, 2005 10:00 AM
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(I wonder how many people in this world, if you asked them, would tell you you should be wrapping your head in a turban....)
or buy a Foxpro! LOL
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Leonard
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posted February 04, 2005 10:05 AM
Well, I'm glad that somebody understands my position. It matters not, if those people use superior gear, I'll still sleep well. I, (and Ray and Danny) have nothing to gain. Real simple, this is a better way. You choose to dispute the words of wisdom, that's your preogative. The unfortunate thing is to knock the advice without, (at least) trying it. Again, we enlightened one's have nothing to gain. This is a gift we are offering, and you certainly don't have to accept it. The attitude here, that causes me to shake my head; ye, who will not listen.
Damn it, Danny. You write two lines, and then bail on me.
Good hunting. LB
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Hodgen
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posted February 04, 2005 11:43 AM
I been night hunting for more than just a couple years, just not at the distances you western boys shoot. But the first animal I shot while using a "flipper light" sold me on the concept.
We had an animal come walking in at about 150-175 yards and sit down. It moved like a bobcat and even looked like a bobcat through my Leupold scope under the red light. Infact, I probably would of bet money that it was a bobcat.
Then Ray "burned" him and guess what. It was a friggin small coyote!! It was a dead small coyote a few seconds later. Either way it wouldn't have mattered because I had bobcat tags.
But reverse that scenario on the Nevada side of the border, and it would have been a big "WHOOPS!!". And if a coyote can act like a cat, I am sure a cat can act like a coyote in the dark.
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Duncan Menads
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posted February 04, 2005 11:51 AM
Leonard, your obvious frustration sounds very similar to Steve Craig when he talks about the merits of the WT!
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Duncan Menads
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posted February 04, 2005 11:55 AM
Anyone have anything intelligent to say about wattage or candlepower?
If 1 million candlepower is good, is 1.5 better? Is 2 million even better? Or does just a plain old 500K setup with diffusing edges work well without a red lens at all?
Do you have some form of measurement for the darkening (?) of a red lens? And if so, what is the best?
Why doesn't pink work as well as clear when you flip from red? Or yellow, or pale blue, or muted purple?
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onecoyote
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posted February 04, 2005 12:23 PM
Leonard, your coment about three decades is modest to say the least...60s...70s....80s...90s and 2000. sounds more like four decades to me and we haven't learned a damn thing? That's why I'm staying out of this, it's hard to talk to a wall. But, I'm not going to leave you out here with all these wolves without helping you. You hold the light and I'll do the shooting ok lol
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